Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by sanjo49er:

Thats the thing though for Kaep he has to "Learn" to get what the deffesnse gives him.If its a 3 yard dump off take it.. you cant go broke making a profit

He did that the first two games. Took what defense gave him and he still gets dinged for not putting up huge numbers.

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:

Originally posted by sanjo49er:

Thats the thing though for Kaep he has to "Learn" to get what the deffesnse gives him.If its a 3 yard dump off take it.. you cant go broke making a profit

He did that the first two games. Took what defense gave him and he still gets dinged for not putting up huge numbers.

Kap put up some.pretty good numbers in the second half at Pittsburgh. You can't blame him for the Vikings game because he had a good game but they ran most of the game. If Bush and Ellington are back I think you will see the return of the screen game and quick throws to beat blitzes. As long as Baalke.is here this team will never be a pass heavy team. He comes from the Parcells school of running the ball. Which is why I don't believe you will see the WCO back unless he is not here and I don't see him leaving anytime soon.

Originally posted by E-49er:
Kap put up some.pretty good numbers in the second half at Pittsburgh. You can't blame him for the Vikings game because he had a good game but they ran most of the game. If Bush and Ellington are back I think you will see the return of the screen game and quick throws to beat blitzes. As long as Baalke.is here this team will never be a pass heavy team. He comes from the Parcells school of running the ball. Which is why I don't believe you will see the WCO back unless he is not here and I don't see him leaving anytime soon.

This is the one area where I'd be happy replacing Baalke...if he can't adjust to a passing league. I hated Parcells offense and the power run game instituted by Singletary and Harbaugh makes me ill. It works when your OL are the highest paid players on the team, but if you are going to go for all around talent it suffers. Staley, Iupati and Davis were guys who would command high salaries. Boone might eventually, but he's agreat example for college players on how much you can screw up your career using alcohol or drugs before the draft...so he is an inexpensive guy so far.

Staley is still the only lineman demonstrating the ability to adapt to any line style. Boone is OK but still spends too many plays blocking air. I've noticed teams going heavy on our [edit-left] side...an extra defender on run downs, which should open up a short pass...somewhere! Come on Chryst...find that opening! Oddly, instead of a stacked box, defenses now just have to stack the niners left side...giving them a bit of an advantage.

If a return to the WCO requires Baalke's departure then bon voyage...safe journey and all that! If he can adapt and they find an offensive coach who matches our historical offense...alls well and good.

Originally posted by E-49er:

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:

Originally posted by sanjo49er:
Thats the thing though for Kaep he has to "Learn" to get what the deffesnse gives him.If its a 3 yard dump off take it.. you cant go broke making a profit

He did that the first two games. Took what defense gave him and he still gets dinged for not putting up huge numbers.

Kap put up some.pretty good numbers in the second half at Pittsburgh. You can't blame him for the Vikings game because he had a good game but they ran most of the game. If Bush and Ellington are back I think you will see the return of the screen game and quick throws to beat blitzes. As long as Baalke.is here this team will never be a pass heavy team. He comes from the Parcells school of running the ball. Which is why I don't believe you will see the WCO back unless he is not here and I don't see him leaving anytime soon.

This is what gets at me the most. We are the goddamn 49ers. Where is the WCO? Going from being so innovative, to the crap we see on the field now, is depressing. I hated when Baalke stepped in at Tomsula's presser and said, "We're going to run the ball." Hey Baalke, everyone knows that! That's why teams load the box and DARE the 49ers to throw. And guess what, it works really well for our opponents. We are so damn predictable and vanilla. It starts at the top guys.

/rant

Originally posted by Boagrius49:
This is what gets at me the most. We are the goddamn 49ers. Where is the WCO? Going from being so innovative, to the crap we see on the field now, is depressing. I hated when Baalke stepped in at Tomsula's presser and said, "We're going to run the ball." Hey Baalke, everyone knows that! That's why teams load the box and DARE the 49ers to throw. And guess what, it works really well for our opponents. We are so damn predictable and vanilla. It starts at the top guys.

/rant

So true!

Expectations can be a very hard thing to over come.

In 2012, when Smith went down and Kaepernick stepped in, there really wasn't any expectations on Kap. If he played like s**t than whatever, we'll but Smith back in.

Also, the team has become much, much worse every year since Kap has been the starter. First from a player standpoint, and now coaching.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by E-49er:
Kap put up some.pretty good numbers in the second half at Pittsburgh. You can't blame him for the Vikings game because he had a good game but they ran most of the game. If Bush and Ellington are back I think you will see the return of the screen game and quick throws to beat blitzes. As long as Baalke.is here this team will never be a pass heavy team. He comes from the Parcells school of running the ball. Which is why I don't believe you will see the WCO back unless he is not here and I don't see him leaving anytime soon.

This is the one area where I'd be happy replacing Baalke...if he can't adjust to a passing league. I hated Parcells offense and the power run game instituted by Singletary and Harbaugh makes me ill. It works when your OL are the highest paid players on the team, but if you are going to go for all around talent it suffers. Staley, Iupati and Davis were guys who would command high salaries. Boone might eventually, but he's agreat example for college players on how much you can screw up your career using alcohol or drugs before the draft...so he is an inexpensive guy so far.

Staley is still the only lineman demonstrating the ability to adapt to any line style. Boone is OK but still spends too many plays blocking air. I've noticed teams going heavy on our right side...an extra defender on run downs, which should open up a short pass...somewhere! Come on Chryst...find that opening! Oddly, instead of a stacked box, defenses now just have to stack the niners left side...giving them a bit of an advantage.

If a return to the WCO requires Baalke's departure then bon voyage...safe journey and all that! If he can adapt and they find an offensive coach who matches our historical offense...alls well and good.

I'm a Baalke guy BUT dinosaurs died because they couldn't adapt.

If he can't I'm MUCH more of a 49er guy and IMO we need a massive infusion of some WCO.

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Expectations can be a very hard thing to over come.

In 2012, when Smith went down and Kaepernick stepped in, there really wasn't any expectations on Kap. If he played like s**t than whatever, we'll but Smith back in.

Also, the team has become much, much worse every year since Kap has been the starter. First from a player standpoint, and now coaching.

Colin came in under strange circumstance. Bledsoe and Brady are the only comparable circumstance, although they really aren't comparable. No QB had ever taken a job from a QB with a 100+ rating in one start.

Many people and pundits thought it was foolish. They kept waiting for Kap to f*** up, they wanted him to fail.

Then there's the Alex fans who will never give him credit for anything.

Then there were the people that didn't like him personally. (his persona, flat bills, tattoos, bicep kiss)

The handful of people that were able to get past those things, were able to witness one of the greatest shows put on by a QB. I can go on and on about the throws he was making. Moving to his left/right, in the pocket, touch/dart, it didnt matter. The dude was on. He was hitting ridiculous throws at a ridiculous rate. Like, a better than Rodgers rate.

He put together an incredible Playoff run. Tore up a team that Brady and Manning couldn't do anything against. Kap himself derserves a ring, don't care what anybody says.

So many people don't see it that way though, because so many people didn't want him there/wanted him to fail. Many people were relieved that the 9ers D choked the SB away, because they were finally "proven right" about Kap. I've never seen a QB more hated on by so many people for so many different reasons, and i think he's collapsed under that pressure.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
This is the one area where I'd be happy replacing Baalke...if he can't adjust to a passing league. I hated Parcells offense and the power run game instituted by Singletary and Harbaugh makes me ill. It works when your OL are the highest paid players on the team, but if you are going to go for all around talent it suffers. Staley, Iupati and Davis were guys who would command high salaries. Boone might eventually, but he's agreat example for college players on how much you can screw up your career using alcohol or drugs before the draft...so he is an inexpensive guy so far.

Staley is still the only lineman demonstrating the ability to adapt to any line style. Boone is OK but still spends too many plays blocking air. I've noticed teams going heavy on our right side...an extra defender on run downs, which should open up a short pass...somewhere! Come on Chryst...find that opening! Oddly, instead of a stacked box, defenses now just have to stack the niners left side...giving them a bit of an advantage.

If a return to the WCO requires Baalke's departure then bon voyage...safe journey and all that! If he can adapt and they find an offensive coach who matches our historical offense...alls well and good.

I haven't given up on Baalke yet. I think he is very good at spotting young talent, and very good at managing the draft and trades and the cap. Sure, nobody bats .1000, but we've lost a lot of veteran talent, and I'm really quite hopeful for our young replacements.

Here's the deal. If you step back and look at the NFL from a clean sheet of paper, it's easy to see with the rules in place, it's a passing league. Points come out of the passing game. If you are a running team, you're not going to be a high scoring team, and your defense must be spectacular. And even if you can do that in the regular season, it's a loser in the playoffs when there is no tomorrow and teams will gamble and throw everything at you. They used to call it Marty Ball, as Shottenheimer went from team to team, racking up a whole lot of wins in the regular season, but rarely a win post season.

OK, so now we've decided we need to dominate offensively in the passing game. The first thing you need is an innovative offensive minded head coach. A successful defensive head coach will quickly lose his OC to a head coaching job elsewhere, and then the system changes, and since continuity is so important year to year on offense, and really sharp offensive minds are hard to find anyway, you are screwed.

OK, now what do you need to give this offensive smart guy for a quarterback? Are you going to tilt toward physical brawn, or quick thinking sharp brains. Duh! What good is a really good complex offense that can keep the defenses a step behind, if the QB can't keep up and execute it?

Yeah, Baalke better get a big picture clue soon, or he will be gone.

^so freaking true kap has mad skills and they just need to be used righy I have faith in the guy

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I haven't given up on Baalke yet. I think he is very good at spotting young talent, and very good at managing the draft and trades. Sure, nobody bats .1000, but we've lost a lot of veteran talent, and I'm really quite hopeful for our young replacements.

[Edited]

Yeah, Baalke better get a big picture clue soon, or he will be gone.

Don't disagree with you other than to say it doesn't really do either of us any good to approve or disapprove of Baalke. Jed will do whatever he wants and I doubt it will have much input from fans. But it's fun to chat with you and the board as to our likes and dislikes!

My hope is that Chryst and Logan can turn this offense around by sticking to the ZBS and using more WCO concepts. Logan started out as a WCO guy but incorporated more vertical passing concepts when folks started collapsing on the horizontal planes and disrupting the receiver routes. If the offense is just in a learning curve? Great! If it looks this clueless at mid year...time to change up the staff.

Originally posted by Antix:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
This all goes away if he does well against the fudge packers.

I kinda disagree..at least from my perspective. Actually it would just be all the more frustrating. His inconsisteny is my problem..from play to play and game to game.

So him coming out for 400 yds and 4 TDs wouldnt matter if the next week he is 180 yds 1 and 1 in a loss or something equally mediocre. To me he has the full rest of this season to show he can be an elite qb. If we look at his season and say "meh..more of the same" then we gotta prepare to move on.

I agree in some sense. What he needs to do is consistently put us in a place to win. For example the vikings game I thought he played well. He made some clutch throws on third down andwas efficient. He played great in the steelers game even though no one around him played well except torrey. And then he completely shat the bed last game. I jsut want consistent games where he is atleast good. Every player is going to have a couple bad games, but I just dont want it to be every two to three weeks. He doesnt need to be elite, as there is only a handful of those guys.

the thing about wins or losses early in the season is you don't really know who the Elite teams are and who are the good ones.

by the middle of the season it might turn out that the Cards are playing on a Seahawk 2013 level..with a much better passer... and we see how the Steelers are still finding a way to win without Big Ben. There defense looks solid...

so that's two games... and obviously with this *rebuilt*..lol....Oline..we are still trying to find chemistry. (which I doubt with Pears out there).


eh... early in the season, what ever happens this Sunday...we NEED to beat the Giants in NY..and then the Ravens at home (which both should be winnable...hopefully the Ravens get their first win out of the way this weekend)

by that Seahawks game we can be 4-2 or 3-3...after faceing the 3 best teams in the league. (Vikings could make that 4, if they continue to play well)


just thinking half-glass full here.....of Vodka.

edit- wow that game last night was so back and forth with both teams not wanting to win the game...i forgot it was the Steelers who lost...lol.

AMEN! How can the birthplace of the WCO, with all its history not even run the system

Originally posted by Boagrius49:
This is what gets at me the most. We are the goddamn 49ers. Where is the WCO? Going from being so innovative, to the crap we see on the field now, is depressing. I hated when Baalke stepped in at Tomsula's presser and said, "We're going to run the ball." Hey Baalke, everyone knows that! That's why teams load the box and DARE the 49ers to throw. And guess what, it works really well for our opponents. We are so damn predictable and vanilla. It starts at the top guys.

/rant

9ers don't have to run a wco. What they have to do is stop doing this run to set everything up stuff. Only legit reason to can Baalke is if he's anti passing game. My sense is he isn't as he was the one making a run at Gase.

If the 9ers were to hire Sean Payton he's not bringing a wco with him. Would anyone really be upset though?