Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Phil-2:
I didnt bring them up, the guy you're agreeing with did, and you agreed with his comparison. Changed your mind egh?

Just a final note:

Aaron Rodgers 2014 and 2015--75% of passes thrown 10 yards or less.

Colin Kaepernick 2014 and 2015--71% and 67% thrown 10 yards or less.

Just seems like Colin throws a higher percentage of longer passes which, by your arguement excuses him for taking more time.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
You criticized me for thanking him...sort of brought me into your web, so to speak. Some stats you did bring up...here are some stats showing Rodgers passing by distance from this year and last year:

2015 First 3 Games
LOS or less: 10
1-10: 29
11-20: 11
21-30: 3

2014
LOS or less: 80
1-10: 252
11-20: 118
21-30: 30
31-40: 13
41+: 5


Do you notice how many long throws he's attempting? What do you consider long? I would say 30 or longer...in which case he had 18 of those last year in 18 games.

This. I wasn't comparing the players abilities as QBs. Rodgers is clearly leaps and bounds better. I was showing the time-before-throw statistic does not paint the entire picture. Rodgers has a super quick release, but still held onto the ball longer than the average QB because he's not just a dink-and-dunker. He takes shots down field and he can extend plays with his legs. At the same time, he's doesn't throw deep nearly as much as people would believe, proven in the stats you provided. Thanks.

Every QB is different in their approach and skill set. Have to take each situation in proper context. Can't just point out a number and try to paint whole picture.

Rodgers threw 30 passes between 21-30 yards all of last year. Kap threw 45 passes between 21-30 yards. For people who actually browsed the film analysis threads, this was by design. We used a lot of deep developing routes over the years. These routes take more time. We would try to set this up via play-action. Does he have a quick release? No, but the biggest factor in holding the ball longer was an offensive scheme that stresses throwing the ball downfield. It's really that simple

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Just a final note:

Aaron Rodgers 2014 and 2015--75% of passes thrown 10 yards or less.

Colin Kaepernick 2014 and 2015--71% and 67% thrown 10 yards or less.

Just seems like Colin throws a higher percentage of longer passes which, by your arguement excuses him for taking more time.

Thanks dtg. Great research there.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Thanks dtg. Great research there.

Funny thing is that I would have shown the numbers if they proved Phil to be correct...but...

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Funny thing is that I would have shown the numbers if they proved Phil to be correct...but...

As would I. All any of us want as fans is to understand what is happening on the field.

Although I'm sure there will be plenty of disagreements along the way.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
As would I. All any of us want as fans is to understand what is happening on the field.

Although I'm sure there will be plenty of disagreements along the way.

Always!

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Just think, Luck has the MOST turnovers since 2014 and he supposedly is a 'cant miss' prospect! He's been in the same offense for 7 and still turns it over consistently! Kaep has 14 ints in 18 games and its because of his mechanics. yet for SOME reason luck gets a pass from the fans / our fans.

He gets a pass from most fans because he was the can't miss guy and everyone can't admit he's struggling. He gets a pass from 9er fans because some still want to believe Jim Harbaugh is a QB whisperer and we just needed to give him more time to develop a new QB.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
Just think, Luck has the MOST turnovers since 2014 and he supposedly is a 'cant miss' prospect! He's been in the same offense for 7 and still turns it over consistently! Kaep has 14 ints in 18 games and its because of his mechanics. yet for SOME reason luck gets a pass from the fans / our fans.

He gets a pass from most fans because he was the can't miss guy and everyone can't admit he's struggling. He gets a pass from 9er fans because some still want to believe Jim Harbaugh is a QB whisperer and we just needed to give him more time to develop a new QB.

It's funny because it seems like 49ers fans make more excuses for Luck than Colts fans do lol.

When Luck was struggling, Colts fans and especially the national media were just destroying the guy. Calling him overrated, part of the problem, something wrong with him.

It's utterly ridiculous if you ask me. Typical knee jerk reaction. People are so hyper-reactionary when a QB has a bad game or bad throw, whether it's Kap, Luck, or somebody else. People even calling Peyton Manning a bad QB now.

Track record doesn't matter anymore, people just hide in the bushes until the next bad game, then they leap out and criticize.

I don't see what Luck has to with anything.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

It's funny because it seems like 49ers fans make more excuses for Luck than Colts fans do lol.

When Luck was struggling, Colts fans and especially the national media were just destroying the guy. Calling him overrated, part of the problem, something wrong with him.

It's utterly ridiculous if you ask me. Typical knee jerk reaction. People are so hyper-reactionary when a QB has a bad game or bad throw, whether it's Kap, Luck, or somebody else. People even calling Peyton Manning a bad QB now.

Track record doesn't matter anymore, people just hide in the bushes until the next bad game, then they leap out and criticize.

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
I don't see what Luck has to with anything.

The fickle nature of fans and media when discussing QBs. 2 or 3 bad games in a row and some people turned on the guy overnight.

Same thing happened to Manning. 2 sub-par games to start the year, he's washed up. Great game against the Lions, everything is fine.

I see the same thing here with our QB. 2 decent games, he gets praised as a changed man. One awful game, he should get cut.

Not even comparing the QBs to each other. I just laugh at the predictable, ridiculous overreactions by media and fans alike. At least wait 16 games and see how the season plays out. 1, 2, or 3 games a season does not make.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

I don't see what Luck has to with anything.

The fickle nature of fans and media when discussing QBs. 2 or 3 bad games in a row and some people turned on the guy overnight.

Same thing happened to Manning. 2 sub-par games to start the year, he's washed up. Great game against the Lions, everything is fine.

I see the same thing here with our QB. 2 decent games, he gets praised as a changed man. One awful game, he should get cut.

Not even comparing the QBs to each other. I just laugh at the predictable, ridiculous overreactions by media and fans alike. At least wait 16 games and see how the season plays out. 1, 2, or 3 games a season does not make.

9-10 the last 19 games. Im sorry you think that's fickle but I've seen this coming for a while now. Luck, Brady, blah blah, who cares?

I'm not trying to be a hater but I don't see it. I mean, can you tell me the areas Kaep has taken a step forward in in 2014? I watched a flatlined QB all last year and it was always someone else's fault. I have given him the benefit of the doubt this year, but again where has he taken a step forward?

Now I'm not saying he sucks, but I do think he's middle of the pack. That's good enough for now, but he's not a guy you strive for. Hell back in 2013 I called him a potential Lebron James of the NFL. His skill set is one of a kind. LBJ took off and became great, Kaep though has become stale.

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
9-10 the last 19 games. Im sorry you think that's fickle but I've seen this coming for a while now. Luck, Brady, blah blah, who cares?

I'm not trying to be a hater but I don't see it. I mean, can you tell me the areas Kaep has took a step forward in in 2014? I watched a flatlined QB all last year and it was always someone else's fault. I have given him the benefit of the doubt this year, but again where has he taken a step forward?

Now I'm not saying he sucks, but I do think he's middle of the pack. That's good enough for now, but he's not a guy you strive for. Hell back in 2013 I called him a potential Lebron James of the NFL. His skill set is one of a kind. LBJ took off and became great, Kaep though has become stale.

Again, here's the narrative from the media and fanbase:

1st 2 weeks -- He's showing improvement. The off-season work is paying off.
Last game -- He completely sucks. Off-season work was all for nothing.

If that's not flip-flopping, I don't know what is. I'm supposed to take their opinion seriously? They can't stick to their story for any more than a week.

I watch the games too. I know we're 9-10 in our last 19. There's this irrational notion that once you miss the playoffs, you're NEVER going back. Kap can NEVER recover, It's all downhill from here, because that's the directional "trend" based on little more than one season.

This is the NFL. Teams go up and down. QB's have down years and good years. You lose talent, take your losses, re-stock the roster, and get back in the playoffs. It's not complicated. We're in the re-stock the roster phase. We'll be fine, just have to ride it out and take our lumps.

All of this isn't going to matter after Sunday. Everyone gonna hate him and going to bash this thread about how he should be bench

I was watching Kaep highlights on youtube, and all I can say is, where is that guy full of swagger? Where is the guy just running when he sees an opening or throwing darts (and I mean darts) to streaking receivers? (Side not: Vernon Davis used to be such a baller. I have no idea who this new guy is for the past few years. 0 toughness, energy, or desire) Whatever is going on with Kaep, he has regressed the more he has tried to improve. In my opinion, the QB who dominated games and led us to a superbowl was a guy who just went out and played football how he knew, not worrying about when to and when not to run, altering his throwing motion, changing his footwork etc. All that these things have done is confuse the guy and he seems like he has no idea what he wants to do at any time in a game.

Sometimes when you try to improve, it actually makes it worse. That is what has happened with Kaep. He needs to stop worrying about everything and just go play football and be his old self, where he had fun playing. It makes me sad as a fan to see the guy play like this and always look so frazzled and worried about what is going on.