Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by cwilson830:
2 and 3:

2013: 92 for 524. Average of 5.7
2014: 104 for 639. Average of 6.1
6.1 > 5.7

1: If the 10th best QB rating isn't "good" then how would you define "good?" Top 5?

Designed runs man.

Originally posted by cwilson830:
Every QB does worse under pressure than non-pressured.

One of Big Ben's claims to fame is he is only moderately worse under pressure than non-pressured.

Of course. That's why it's kind of silly to have this fantasy that Kap should thrive behind pressure. 43.2 % of dropbacks he gets pressured, the worst mark in the league.

Originally posted by Phil-2:

Originally posted by cwilson830:
2 and 3:

2013: 92 for 524. Average of 5.7
2014: 104 for 639. Average of 6.1
6.1 > 5.7

1: If the 10th best QB rating isn't "good" then how would you define "good?" Top 5?

Designed runs man.

Designed runs don't count as runs?

Stop trolling.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Of QBs who took the majority of snaps in 2014, the 3 who took the longest to throw the ball were.

1. Russell Wilson
2. Colin Kaepernick
3. Aaron Rodgers

You want to make the claim Rodgers holds onto the ball and doesn't have a quick release?

There's more to the stat then simply holding the ball. Mobility, deeper route combinations, and play-action passing are just a few ways certain QBs will take longer to throw the ball on average.

Thank you for adding perspective! Whenever I see stats with no meaningful comparisons it makes me question the intent of the post. Often when context is added through comparisons the original point seems to be washed away by a sea of logic!

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Of QBs who took the majority of snaps in 2014, the 3 who took the longest to throw the ball were.

1. Russell Wilson
2. Colin Kaepernick
3. Aaron Rodgers

You want to make the claim Rodgers holds onto the ball and doesn't have a quick release?

There's more to the stat then simply holding the ball. Mobility, deeper route combinations, and play-action passing are just a few ways certain QBs will take longer to throw the ball on average.

Oh stop it, we all know Rodgers can get rid of the ball in 1.5 seconds on a routine basis and he in fact does so with a shaky o-line.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/blink-and-youll-miss-one-key-to-aaron-rodgers-success-b99363952z1-278143561.html

In 2013 Rodgers averaged 2.43 seconds. 2.63 in 2012. Rodgers also had a 51% deep ball completion rate in 2014 (with 95 attempts) so he's doing something with that time. He's not being a stooge taking sacks and dodging phantom pressure.

Originally posted by cwilson830:
Designed runs don't count as runs?

Stop trolling.

I'm speaking about Kap's designed runs. Do you know how to read?

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/kaepernick-not-running-less-just-less-successful

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Thank you for adding perspective! Whenever I see stats with no meaningful comparisons it makes me question the intent of the post. Often when context is added through comparisons the original point seems to be washed away by a sea of logic!

Stop being smug for a moment and read post #10266.

Originally posted by Phil-2:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Thank you for adding perspective! Whenever I see stats with no meaningful comparisons it makes me question the intent of the post. Often when context is added through comparisons the original point seems to be washed away by a sea of logic!

Stop being smug for a moment and read post #10266.

Not being smug, just thanking someone for adding context that makes sense to me. You might try to be less touchy.

Originally posted by Phil-2:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Thank you for adding perspective! Whenever I see stats with no meaningful comparisons it makes me question the intent of the post. Often when context is added through comparisons the original point seems to be washed away by a sea of logic!

Stop being smug for a moment and read post #10266.

Smug? Every post of yours I read you've being smug and condescending to the other poster. Calm down. It's just football.

Originally posted by Phil-2:

Originally posted by cwilson830:
Designed runs don't count as runs?

Stop trolling.

I'm speaking about Kap's designed runs. Do you know how to read?

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/kaepernick-not-running-less-just-less-successful

Your quote:

he actually ran more in 2014, he just suffered a drastic reduction in yards per attempt.

You you even know how to read..... your own posts?

Troll.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Not being smug, just thanking someone for adding context that makes sense to me. You might try to be less touchy.

You're being smug. Rodgers is passing deep and completing 51% of those passes. That's why his time to pass averaged out longer. Anyone who doesn't know he can and does get rid of the ball very very fast is an idiot with an agenda. I have no patience for the passive aggressive tripe you're pushing here.

Originally posted by cwilson830:
Your quote:

he actually ran more in 2014, he just suffered a drastic reduction in yards per attempt.

You you even know how to read..... your own posts?

Troll.

I told you I'm talking about designed runs. Again, do you know how to read? That's why I linked the article in the original post. I'll do it for you again:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/kaepernick-not-running-less-just-less-successful

Originally posted by Stud:
LOL. Tom Brady is the best QB in the league with 4 Super Bowls because he can pass in the pocket. Comparing him to Kap is absolutely absurd in every sense.

Jesus, really?

I thought to myself "Maybe I should add that I'm in no way comparing Kap to Brady" but figured nobody would be that stupid to require the disclaimer. I stand corrected.

The point wasn't that Kap is Brady. The point was that one of the best QBs in history of the NFL has looked like hot garbage when pressured consistently to the point where people talked about him being "done" His throws were off, he threw a pick 6, turned the ball over and even in that great offense couldn't get more than 151 yards in a prime time game.

How'd that season end up going for him? How's he doing now?

When a QB - ANY QB - can trust his OL their play improves. When they don't have that trust due to actual results their play dips substantially no matter who they are.

Kaepernick is a LONG way away from Brady and the pressure he's seeing consistently is a lot worse than what Tom saw vs KC or the Giants. Sure Tom would be better than Kap but he would still struggle in this offense behind this OL.

Originally posted by Phil-2:

Originally posted by cwilson830:
Your quote:

he actually ran more in 2014, he just suffered a drastic reduction in yards per attempt.

You you even know how to read..... your own posts?

Troll.

I told you I'm talking about designed runs. Again, do you know how to read? That's why I linked the article in the original post. I'll do it for you again:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/kaepernick-not-running-less-just-less-successful

Do more research before you post. You're wasting everyone's time.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Phil-2:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Thank you for adding perspective! Whenever I see stats with no meaningful comparisons it makes me question the intent of the post. Often when context is added through comparisons the original point seems to be washed away by a sea of logic!

Stop being smug for a moment and read post #10266.

Not being smug, just thanking someone for adding context that makes sense to me. You might try to be less touchy.

OK...now I reread the post you pointed out. I believe Kaepernick had the quickest release of all QBs analyzed on the computerized analysis a few years ago. Hmm...can't recall the name of the analysis but I was really surprised he was so quick releasing the ball from recognition to the ball being gone. It's a stat...does it help? Not if you want to say CK is an inferior QB. So carry on...