Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Part of Kaep's failure last year was because he was trying to do too much... the expectation got to him early and often.. the early success in his 1st year as a starter, how the media blew him up and made him forget that he still young and inexperience, and last but not the least, the STAR that he wasn't yet.

It was almost like he needed to make a big play and prove to the whole world that he is what they thought he was suppose to be.. the Super Bowl incompletion, the Richard Sherman INT, it was like Kaep was playing against his own ghost and exorcise those demons..

this year, if he plays within the system just like the year he took over after Alex Smith was injured, we should see a Kaep rise from the ashes again..

"The Storm is Comin"!!

It wasn't the media, it was harbaugh's fault for Kaeps slight regression

I dont know.. I would never blame the coach for a QB's regression.. a team for not being prepared, yes, I could blame the coach, but an individual player, sorry, I just don't see it that way..

Kaep had an awesome year when he took over, no defense was prepared for his style and that also helped.. But the fact is, almost every media, experts, ex players, announcers, had Kaep as the "NEXT" great thing in the NFL.. even Jaworski once said that "this kid could be the best QB of all time"..

.. and with all those being said, and Kaep hearing them, I don't believe that it did not get into his head somehow.. and once it got in his head, HUMBLE PIE was served..

Do you really believe what you are saying right now?

The coach has everything to do with all of his players progression...and the most important position he is responsible for is the QB

You do realize the actual QB coach is still on the staff right? When people talked about how great the DL was they gave the credit to Tomsula, RB's..Rathmam, etc etc. While Harbs does get blame for Kap, some of this needs to be directed at Geep. I'm not seeing any fingers being pointed at the now OC who obviously did less with Kap in multiple years than Warner could do in 1 summer camp.

Originally posted by jreff22:
You do realize the actual QB coach is still on the staff right? When people talked about how great the DL was they gave the credit to Tomsula, RB's..Rathmam, etc etc. While Harbs does get blame for Kap, some of this needs to be directed at Geep. I'm not seeing any fingers being pointed at the now OC who obviously did less with Kap in multiple years than Warner could do in 1 summer camp.

because vic let tomsula operate as his own entity on the defensive line.
harbaugh micromanaged every little thing on offense. how difficult is it to understand that the entire offense was exactly what jim wanted it to be. illustrated by the point you yourself made. in 3 years with jim kap didn't work with warner. as soon as jim is gone he does. is that because geep didn't want him to get any outside help when they couldn't be in contact? or is that because harbaugh didnt?

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by jreff22:

You do realize the actual QB coach is still on the staff right? When people talked about how great the DL was they gave the credit to Tomsula, RB's..Rathmam, etc etc. While Harbs does get blame for Kap, some of this needs to be directed at Geep. I'm not seeing any fingers being pointed at the now OC who obviously did less with Kap in multiple years than Warner could do in 1 summer camp.

because vic let tomsula operate as his own entity on the defensive line.
harbaugh micromanaged every little thing on offense. how difficult is it to understand that the entire offense was exactly what jim wanted it to be. illustrated by the point you yourself made. in 3 years with jim kap didn't work with warner. as soon as jim is gone he does. is that because geep didn't want him to get any outside help when they couldn't be in contact? or is that because harbaugh didnt?

I'm not going to buy into a theory that Geep wasn't allowed to work with Kap on footwork or his throwing motion. s**tty play calling, bad management, etc sure blame Harbs. You can even say relying on his running and not paying attention to his passing can be a knock on Harbs. But Geep did have time to work on fundamentals. And to your last question...it could very well be that Kap realized he needed something that Harbs, Roman, and Geep neglected.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by jreff22:
You do realize the actual QB coach is still on the staff right? When people talked about how great the DL was they gave the credit to Tomsula, RB's..Rathmam, etc etc. While Harbs does get blame for Kap, some of this needs to be directed at Geep. I'm not seeing any fingers being pointed at the now OC who obviously did less with Kap in multiple years than Warner could do in 1 summer camp.

because vic let tomsula operate as his own entity on the defensive line.
harbaugh micromanaged every little thing on offense. how difficult is it to understand that the entire offense was exactly what jim wanted it to be. illustrated by the point you yourself made. in 3 years with jim kap didn't work with warner. as soon as jim is gone he does. is that because geep didn't want him to get any outside help when they couldn't be in contact? or is that because harbaugh didnt?

I'm not going to buy into a theory that Geep wasn't allowed to work with Kap on footwork or his throwing motion. s**tty play calling, bad management, etc sure blame Harbs. You can even say relying on his running and not paying attention to his passing can be a knock on Harbs. But Geep did have time to work on fundamentals. And to your last question...it could very well be that Kap realized he needed something that Harbs, Roman, and Geep neglected.

Kaep still thinks highly of Geep and i think he even vouched for him to stay

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Kaep still thinks highly of Geep and i think he even vouched for him to stay

I don't see Kap really trashing a coach. I don't think he's a "yes man" but he does play nice with managemt. I would also guess he had some info on who was staying before anybody else did. Wouldn't be wise to insult your potential OC.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Kaep still thinks highly of Geep and i think he even vouched for him to stay

I don't see Kap really trashing a coach. I don't think he's a "yes man" but he does play nice with managemt. I would also guess he had some info on who was staying before anybody else did. Wouldn't be wise to insult your potential OC.

You two both have some valid points...w/o being a - holes about it. That's a breath of fresh air!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Kaep still thinks highly of Geep and i think he even vouched for him to stay

I don't see Kap really trashing a coach. I don't think he's a "yes man" but he does play nice with managemt. I would also guess he had some info on who was staying before anybody else did. Wouldn't be wise to insult your potential OC.

You two both have some valid points...w/o being a - holes about it. That's a breath of fresh air!

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Geep-Chryst-Hire-Endorsed-by-Colin-Kaepernick/f4b65b5c-b4bd-40b0-ba0c-2f9e65f82f3f

Nice little video in that link if you havent watched it already

"I'm very excited about Geep being our OC," Kaepernick said. "Great person, brilliant guy. And I think he's very open to what the players input is during the game, during the week. And also, open to taking shots down the field and opening up the playbook. So, excited to see what he has in store for us."

Anquan Boldin, who was in Arizona as one of three finalists for the NFL's "Walter Payton Man of the Year Award," shared a similar sentiment as his starting quarterback.

"I've known Geep for a long time," Boldin said. "He was actually my quarterbacks coach in Arizona my rookie year. He's a great football mind, and I think he can bring a spark to the offense."

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by jreff22:
You do realize the actual QB coach is still on the staff right? When people talked about how great the DL was they gave the credit to Tomsula, RB's..Rathmam, etc etc. While Harbs does get blame for Kap, some of this needs to be directed at Geep. I'm not seeing any fingers being pointed at the now OC who obviously did less with Kap in multiple years than Warner could do in 1 summer camp.

because vic let tomsula operate as his own entity on the defensive line.
harbaugh micromanaged every little thing on offense. how difficult is it to understand that the entire offense was exactly what jim wanted it to be. illustrated by the point you yourself made. in 3 years with jim kap didn't work with warner. as soon as jim is gone he does. is that because geep didn't want him to get any outside help when they couldn't be in contact? or is that because harbaugh didnt?

I'm not going to buy into a theory that Geep wasn't allowed to work with Kap on footwork or his throwing motion. s**tty play calling, bad management, etc sure blame Harbs. You can even say relying on his running and not paying attention to his passing can be a knock on Harbs. But Geep did have time to work on fundamentals. And to your last question...it could very well be that Kap realized he needed something that Harbs, Roman, and Geep neglected.

There's definitely something there, but I do have to question how much input and control Geep had if Harbaugh could put himself into a practice as 3rd QB. That story indicates everything that was wrong with our Offense to me - it seemed like Harbaugh wanted to recapture his playing days and our philosophy was based on that.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Yup. There's definitely some degree of confirmation bias among these pundits when it comes to Kap. It's just fashionable to over-critique him right now. None of their arguments putting those QBs ahead of Kap make any sense. The stats, W-L records, film study, and playoff performances simply don't support it.

I mean s**t, Andy Dalton? He of 0-4 playoff record? 1 TD / 6 INT, 57.8 QB rating.......this guy is a better player than Kap? Don't even get me started with Tannehill, Newton, Palmer, Cutler, or whoever else they listed. What have those QBs done that Kap hasn't already surpassed in a shorter amount of time?

Kap is 4-2 in the playoffs. Led his team to victory multiple times, making big plays in big games. He has a better career QB rating and winning % than many of these QBs who are supposedly superior to him.

Someone else pointed out the numbers to me and while the sample size is small in comparison to some other guys on the list, the simple fact is Kap has been a monster in the playoffs.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/qb-postseason-drive-stats

And the competition hasn't exactly been something to sneeze at.

Packers(2012) - probably the worst defense he faced in the playoffs that year and yet they were actually the 11th defense(point & yards) that season
@ Falcons - Awesome comeback in this game vs a defense rated 5th points given up and 24th in yards given up.
SB Ravens - 12th in points, 17th in yards but playing some great football in the playoffs. Kap did better against them than some guys named Luck, Manning and Brady

@ Packers(2013) - Definitely the worst defense he faced in the playoffs in his career but the game was in freezing conditions in extremely hostile territory
@ Carolina - #2 defense in the league coming off a bye week
@ Seattle - #1 defense in the league. Literally an inch away from winning the game and still scored more vs that defense than Peyton Manning or Drew Brees

For all his faults in the regular season the guy takes his game up in the playoffs. Couple of lucky bounces here and there and he could be a two time SB champ.

Hopefully his work in this offseason will pay off and he continues to improve and the additions to the roster and the new coaching staff help him take his game to the next level and the team finds their way back to the playoffs.

^^^^^

Problem is we didn't make the playoffs last year. You can't bring up that point if you aren't actually in it. Most don't expect us to be back in the playoffs this year either. So you're using a stat that's kind of useless for his ranking.

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by jreff22:
You do realize the actual QB coach is still on the staff right? When people talked about how great the DL was they gave the credit to Tomsula, RB's..Rathmam, etc etc. While Harbs does get blame for Kap, some of this needs to be directed at Geep. I'm not seeing any fingers being pointed at the now OC who obviously did less with Kap in multiple years than Warner could do in 1 summer camp.

because vic let tomsula operate as his own entity on the defensive line.
harbaugh micromanaged every little thing on offense. how difficult is it to understand that the entire offense was exactly what jim wanted it to be. illustrated by the point you yourself made. in 3 years with jim kap didn't work with warner. as soon as jim is gone he does. is that because geep didn't want him to get any outside help when they couldn't be in contact? or is that because harbaugh didnt?

I'm not going to buy into a theory that Geep wasn't allowed to work with Kap on footwork or his throwing motion. s**tty play calling, bad management, etc sure blame Harbs. You can even say relying on his running and not paying attention to his passing can be a knock on Harbs. But Geep did have time to work on fundamentals. And to your last question...it could very well be that Kap realized he needed something that Harbs, Roman, and Geep neglected.

There's definitely something there, but I do have to question how much input and control Geep had if Harbaugh could put himself into a practice as 3rd QB. That story indicates everything that was wrong with our Offense to me - it seemed like Harbaugh wanted to recapture his playing days and our philosophy was based on that.

At the end of the day, once Tomsula, Geep and Mangini were promoted, you just need to check out their collectives moves thereafter to get a better gauge for how they saw things all along (i.e. their philosophy). Given that they have since addressed every single one of our offensive and defensive issues, it's safe to say, they were not in position to make those calls during the Harbaugh tenure. In fact, there was one report of Geep speaking out vocally about how we weren't using CK properly (MM reported it?) to no avail. Now we're seeing this:

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Geep-Chryst-Hire-Endorsed-by-Colin-Kaepernick/f4b65b5c-b4bd-40b0-ba0c-2f9e65f82f3fNice

"I'm very excited about Geep being our OC," Kaepernick said. "Great person, brilliant guy. And I think he's very open to what the players input is during the game, during the week. And also, open to taking shots down the field and opening up the playbook. So, excited to see what he has in store for us."

Anquan Boldin, who was in Arizona as one of three finalists for the NFL's "Walter Payton Man of the Year Award," shared a similar sentiment as his starting quarterback. "I've known Geep for a long time," Boldin said. "He was actually my quarterbacks coach in Arizona my rookie year. He's a great football mind, and I think he can bring a spark to the offense."

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/182033-kaepernick-thread/page256/#RIbCguvkD1238j4U.99

Originally posted by jreff22:
I'm not going to buy into a theory that Geep wasn't allowed to work with Kap on footwork or his throwing motion. s**tty play calling, bad management, etc sure blame Harbs. You can even say relying on his running and not paying attention to his passing can be a knock on Harbs. But Geep did have time to work on fundamentals. And to your last question...it could very well be that Kap realized he needed something that Harbs, Roman, and Geep neglected.

I'm pretty sure Harbaugh said they were not going to tinker with Kap's throwing motion when they drafted him.

I find it easier to believe that Harbaugh told his guys to just teach him what I want you to teach him vs that he allowed Chryst to do whatever he wants to improve the young kid.

Harbaugh has always been an odd duck. He's kind of the ultimate example of "meathead" but as a QB you really don't want that type of mentality. It worked for him somewhat when he played but that was a long time ago and that approach doesn't work in today's NFL.

There was a reason Kap looked much better in the last few games after we were knocked out of the playoffs and I believe he'll be a better person and QB without Harbaugh.

Originally posted by jreff22:
^^^^^

Problem is we didn't make the playoffs last year. You can't bring up that point if you aren't actually in it. Most don't expect us to be back in the playoffs this year either. So you're using a stat that's kind of useless for his ranking.

If a guy can play that well in the playoffs then he obviously has it in him to play that well in the regular season if the coaches allow him to do the things they did in the playoffs.

Under Harbaugh we were very careful not to run Colin much during the regular season and then he'd gash teams in the playoffs once they let him go. It sounds like this coaching staff will not necessarily save things just for the playoffs.

And it's stupid to hold a guy back because you think his team won't make the playoffs. Almost every year a team makes the playoffs when nobody expected them. Is Oakland expected to make the playoffs? So why is Carr rated ahead of Kap with a worse completion %, less passing yards, 2 more TDs and 2 more picks, worse Y/A, Y/C, QB rating, QBR...you name it?

I'm beginning to think that the team won games despite Jim Harbaugh.

Unfortunately when Kap has an awesome season, Kurt Warner is somehow going to get credit as a miracle worker when the reality is that Kap is a hard worker and the new coaches will gameplan to the player's strengths.

Originally posted by jreff22:
^^^^^

Problem is we didn't make the playoffs last year. You can't bring up that point if you aren't actually in it. Most don't expect us to be back in the playoffs this year either. So you're using a stat that's kind of useless for his ranking.

In your eyes but not mine. Playoff performances weigh much more heavily to me than regular season stats. First of all any franchise wants a QB that can get them to the playoffs and secondly they want a guy with the mettle to win when they get there. No one but random fans writers andsports agents rely on regular season stats to assign player worth more so than playoff runs. True greatness is defined postseason!