Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Maybe you should go back to third grade cuz your arithmetic is wrong... remember the Pick 6 thrown by Kap in the Green Bay game?

I guess you forgot, we had horrible starts to ALL those 2012 playoff games. As in, the OFFENSE sucked, couldn't put up points, couldn't move the ball, etc...

If only football games were 1 half lol. Averaged 34 points a game in the playoffs bud. Thats amazing offense. Why are we breaking football games into halves now? Trying to push an agenda?

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Yes...7 pts in the Packer game were on Kap....

....but his point is still completely true.

With injuries to Aldon and Justin, the pass D was badly exposed in the 2012 playoffs.

Rodgers had 247 yards, 2 TDs and an INT, Ryan had 396 yards, three TDs and an INT, and Flacco had 287 yards, 3 TDs and 0 INTs.

Was Kap perfect in those games? Absolutely not. He threw a pick 6 against Green Bay, he threw an INT in the SB, and he couldn't get much going really early against Atlanta.

He was NOT however the reason they lost. Everyone remembers the 4 plays from inside the 10, but the fact that the kid was even IN that position to win the game is what should be remembered, not the fact that they couldn't score. They were down by TWENTY THREE points and he led them to the brink of the largest comeback in SB history.

Thank you. I forgot about the Packers pick-six, but it doesn't really change the argument. The Niner defense collapsed in the 2012 playoffs and we all know why - or at least most of us know why.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
If only football games were 1 half lol. Averaged 34 points a game in the playoffs bud. Thats amazing offense. Why are we breaking football games into halves now? Trying to push an agenda?

It's obviously an agenda, but why? I don't get why people have to manufacture this phony argument when they can just hang their hats on the last couple of years if they want to argue that Kaepernick is not up to the job. At this point, where I'm at is if I see Kaepernick win a starting job this year, I'll be shocked. But that doesn't change the fact that he played very well in the 2012 playoffs.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Yes...7 pts in the Packer game were on Kap....

....but his point is still completely true.

With injuries to Aldon and Justin, the pass D was badly exposed in the 2012 playoffs.

Rodgers had 247 yards, 2 TDs and an INT, Ryan had 396 yards, three TDs and an INT, and Flacco had 287 yards, 3 TDs and 0 INTs.

Was Kap perfect in those games? Absolutely not. He threw a pick 6 against Green Bay, he threw an INT in the SB, and he couldn't get much going really early against Atlanta.

He was NOT however the reason they lost. Everyone remembers the 4 plays from inside the 10, but the fact that the kid was even IN that position to win the game is what should be remembered, not the fact that they couldn't score. They were down by TWENTY THREE points and he led them to the brink of the largest comeback in SB history.

Oh I'm only teasing little, I already made myself clear I don't really care one way or the other. But it is a little disheartening to see someone call another post pathetic when they themself aren't quite up to date on the facts of those games.

If the original point was so valid in the first place, why try to conflate it with something that wasn't true, intentionally or not? If you feel the need to try to set the facts straight about Kaepernick, why not abide by your own standard when it comes to the defense? Just because one side is being extreme? I would hope not.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Yes...7 pts in the Packer game were on Kap....

....but his point is still completely true.

With injuries to Aldon and Justin, the pass D was badly exposed in the 2012 playoffs.

Rodgers had 247 yards, 2 TDs and an INT, Ryan had 396 yards, three TDs and an INT, and Flacco had 287 yards, 3 TDs and 0 INTs.

Was Kap perfect in those games? Absolutely not. He threw a pick 6 against Green Bay, he threw an INT in the SB, and he couldn't get much going really early against Atlanta.

He was NOT however the reason they lost. Everyone remembers the 4 plays from inside the 10, but the fact that the kid was even IN that position to win the game is what should be remembered, not the fact that they couldn't score. They were down by TWENTY THREE points and he led them to the brink of the largest comeback in SB history.

Thank you. I forgot about the Packers pick-six, but it doesn't really change the argument. The Niner defense collapsed in the 2012 playoffs and we all know why - or at least most of us know why.

And it still doesn't change the horrible offense in the first half, and the stellar defense in the second half of EVERY ONE of those playoff games.

You guys love to minimize that with, "but but but... two halves of football!!!" Just so you can build up a sh!tty QB and blame the defense. Kap deserves his credit for being a part of the TEAM, but he most definitely did not carry a damn thing.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

They were not very good in the postseason. Kap carried them through the GB game and that's not debatable. Our defense did put the clamps down in the 2nd half vs the Falcons though. And then looked like s**t again in the biggest game of their lives I don't think we even got close enough to breathe on Flacco

Please don't blame JUST the defense in that game, there were a lot of factors as to why the 49ers loss the Super Bowl. Again, unfrickin believable the bias opinions in here.

Definitely a lot of factors. Coming out unprepared (penalty on the 1st play of the game). The fumble by James killed some early momentum. Kap had a turnover. But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field. We couldn't get anywhere close to Flacco all game and that's unacceptable for a "top 5" defense. The offense at least looked good quite a few times in that game. The defense looked bad, damn near all game

Again, you're throwing your opinion out there like it's a fact.

But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field.

Fact is in the post season of 2012, the defense stepped up EXACTLY when the team needed them to, allowing only 23 points in the second half of 3 games:

vs. Green Bay, they only allowed 10 points in the second half.

vs. Atlanta, they did not allow any points not even a field goal in the second half.

vs. Baltimore, they only allowed 13 points in the second half. One touchdown in the 3rd quarter and two field goals in the 4th quarter.

How is that not stepping up in the playoffs?? Remember it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Couldn't get off the field on 4th down, couldn't keep them out of FG range on their last drive that made us need a TD instead of a FG. How many points did our offense score in the 2nd half? Significantly more in the 2nd half than the 1st half, no? Too bad the defense couldn't get off the field when we needed it the most. No sacks in the entire game?

I guess only the second halves of games count if you play defense. WTF?

All the points count regardless of when they are scored.

So I guess not scoring more points when they count in the second half is OK then correct?
Marvin I'm not sure you know the point to this whole conversation.

I'll say one thing, there are some people here that have a deep, intense and undeniable hatred for Kaep. Pretty sad, really.

I have never hated a player to that degree.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

They were not very good in the postseason. Kap carried them through the GB game and that's not debatable. Our defense did put the clamps down in the 2nd half vs the Falcons though. And then looked like s**t again in the biggest game of their lives I don't think we even got close enough to breathe on Flacco

Please don't blame JUST the defense in that game, there were a lot of factors as to why the 49ers loss the Super Bowl. Again, unfrickin believable the bias opinions in here.

Definitely a lot of factors. Coming out unprepared (penalty on the 1st play of the game). The fumble by James killed some early momentum. Kap had a turnover. But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field. We couldn't get anywhere close to Flacco all game and that's unacceptable for a "top 5" defense. The offense at least looked good quite a few times in that game. The defense looked bad, damn near all game

Again, you're throwing your opinion out there like it's a fact.

But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field.

Fact is in the post season of 2012, the defense stepped up EXACTLY when the team needed them to, allowing only 23 points in the second half of 3 games:

vs. Green Bay, they only allowed 10 points in the second half.

vs. Atlanta, they did not allow any points not even a field goal in the second half.

vs. Baltimore, they only allowed 13 points in the second half. One touchdown in the 3rd quarter and two field goals in the 4th quarter.

How is that not stepping up in the playoffs?? Remember it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Couldn't get off the field on 4th down, couldn't keep them out of FG range on their last drive that made us need a TD instead of a FG. How many points did our offense score in the 2nd half? Significantly more in the 2nd half than the 1st half, no? Too bad the defense couldn't get off the field when we needed it the most. No sacks in the entire game?

I guess only the second halves of games count if you play defense. WTF?

All the points count regardless of when they are scored.

Yes they do count, but if you score 100 points in the first half and the opposing team score 150 point in the second half? Which ones matter the most?

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Kap is probably the most unathletic athletic player for the position he plays.

Disappointed in Sus.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

I'll say one thing, there are some people here that have a deep, intense and undeniable hatred for Kaep. Pretty sad, really.

I have never hated a player to that degree.

Actually you've been saying this in every Kap thread what's different? Why get worked up when someone criticizes a player, when that player rightfully deserves criticism? I don't see you defending Eric Pears or Jordan Devey?

Everyone knows Kaepernick was really bad last year, pretty bad the year before, less than stellar the year before that and really good for a half a season and some playoffs the year before that. I guess I don't see any reason why anyone should be harping on his 2012 when they've got so much more to work with if they want to slam the guy.

Originally posted by crake49:

Everyone knows Kaepernick was really bad last year, pretty bad the year before, less than stellar the year before that and really good for a half a season and some playoffs the year before that. I guess I don't see any reason why anyone should be harping on his 2012 when they've got so much more to work with if they want to slam the guy.

My main point to my argument is that someone claimed it was Kap who carried the team in 2012. I'm just disagreeing saying the defense should get credit too. Am I ignoring the fact that Kap lit it up in 2012 and even 2013, absolutely not dude was on fire, only I don't think it was all him, just like I don't think it was all Montana either. And that's all I'm getting at.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

My main point to my argument is that someone claimed it was Kap who carried the team in 2012. I'm just disagreeing saying the defense should get credit too. Am I ignoring the fact that Kap lit it up in 2012 and even 2013, absolutely not dude was on fire, only I don't think it was all him, just like I don't think it was all Montana either. And that's all I'm getting at.

The problem is we were putting up 34 a game in the playoffs. That's ridiculously good offense. We were allowing 25 a game on defense. That's bad defense. When you make the SB with bad defense it's because they were carried by ridiculously good offense. When was the only time in the Harbaugh era our offense was ridiculously good? When Kap was on fire, meaning Kaps play was the difference. He is the reason we got where we did no matter how hard you try to deny it.

At this point I just want to see Kap get healthy and come in and compete. I'm done with all the trade stuff and he wants out or we don't want him stuff. I'm ready to hear all parties put it all behind them and work on football. I really like the way Chip has dealt with the situation (at least in the media) because it makes the possibility of him staying really easy to deal with. With Chip's history of getting good production from not-so-good QBs I'm confident he will get solid play from whoever wins the job this summer/fall. In short, onward and upward to training camp.

Originally posted by Super9er81:
At this point I just want to see Kap get healthy and come in and compete. I'm done with all the trade stuff and he wants out or we don't want him stuff. I'm ready to hear all parties put it all behind them and work on football. I really like the way Chip has dealt with the situation (at least in the media) because it makes the possibility of him staying really easy to deal with. With Chip's history of getting good production from not-so-good QBs I'm confident he will get solid play from whoever wins the job this summer/fall. In short, onward and upward to training camp.

I'll tell you what, if Kap wins the QB Competition, I'm going to be super excited because that will mean that he's back! What's even better is that I think Kelly will do a much better job at getting Kap to be successful on an individual level than Harbaugh ever could.