Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why are people still of the opinion that Kap should have taken a $5M paycut to play in Denver? A $7M salary is so ridiculously below NFL starting QB salaries. If I am Kap and I see Sam Bradford and Brock Osweiler making $18M a year, there is no way I am playing for $7M a year.

um... because he wasn't going to take a pay cut? He would have gotten his entire salary, split between two teams.

um...what?

The 49ers WERE NOT going to pay a portion of his salary.

Agreed that was never going to happen....if he wanted out he would of had to come down to what Elway would agree to pay. I would have said want to pay, but all Elway ever wants to pay is a saltine cracker, two out of date movie passes and a firm but sweaty handshake.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why are people still of the opinion that Kap should have taken a $5M paycut to play in Denver? A $7M salary is so ridiculously below NFL starting QB salaries. If I am Kap and I see Sam Bradford and Brock Osweiler making $18M a year, there is no way I am playing for $7M a year.

um... because he wasn't going to take a pay cut? He would have gotten his entire salary, split between two teams.

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Broncos-want-Colin-Kaepernick-to-take-big-pay-cut-44569558

http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2016/03/31/will-broncos-restructure-colin-kaepernick-s-contract-denver-wants-7-million-salary/

http://den.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Broncos-want-Kaepernick-to-take-pay-cut-beyond-2016-44663178

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/broncos-colin-kaepernick-massive-pay-cut/298874

http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/3/31/11340286/colin-kaepernick-contract-deadline-trade-rumor-broncos-49ers

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/01/denver-broncos-colin-kaepernick-49ers-trade-contract-salary

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2016/04/05/colin-kaepernick-needs-to-take-pay-cut-to-facilitate-trade-to-denver-broncos/

http://sportsnaut.com/2016/03/report-broncos-ask-colin-kaepernick-take-pay-cut-7-million/

http://fanbuzz.rare.us/story/report-denver-wants-this-qb-to-take-a-massive-pay-cut-and-why-would-he/

http://www.scout.com/nfl/broncos/story/1657433-two-teams-agree-but-kaep-must-accept-pay-cut

https://milehighsports.com/report-broncos-asking-colin-kaepernick-take-sizable-pay-cut/

http://www.sportalnz.gearbox.performgroup.com/article/news/colin-kaepernick-broncos-49ers-pay-cut-contract-trade/u61w8svypp3r145g36wc9n9pd

http://nfltraderumors.co/broncos-reportedly-offering-colin-kaepernick-7m-2016-2017/

Originally posted by Joecool:
Kap is probably the most unathletic athletic player for the position he plays.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Kap is probably the most unathletic athletic player for the position he plays.

Yeah uhhh....I am not Kap's biggest fan, but the dude is an athletic freak. If anything I think he fell into the trap of his god given talents and ego holding him back from developing the finer points of the position.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Keep clinging to this stupid argument. I hope it makes you feel better about Kap being a trash QB.

How is calling out lies about our defense stepping up in the playoffs clinging to Kap? I just don't get why you guys have to lie to yourselves. Maybe it makes you feel better about Kap taking your boys job?

It keeps rearing it's ugly, uninformed head. A defense yields over 27 points a game in the playoffs and people are trying to tell you that defense carried the team. Come on, people. 27 points a game is NOT GOOD DEFENSE in anyone's book.

On the other hand, you don't need to be a Kaepernick fan to acknowledge the obvious: in the 2012 playoffs, Kaepernick threw for 4 td's and 2 ints for an average of 266 yards passing per game and a playoff QB rating of 100.9. He also averaged 88 yards a game with 3 rushing TD's. In short, Kaepernick blew up the 2012 playoffs.

I can't imagine anyone arguing that he's been that QB for the last couple years, but that isn't the issue here. At least give him credit for what he did accomplish and stop pretending the defense carried that team to the Super bowl.

Originally posted by crake49:
It keeps rearing it's ugly, uninformed head. A defense yields over 27 points a game in the playoffs and people are trying to tell you that defense carried the team. Come on, people. 27 points a game is NOT GOOD DEFENSE in anyone's book.

On the other hand, you don't need to be a Kaepernick fan to acknowledge the obvious: in the 2012 playoffs, Kaepernick threw for 4 td's and 2 ints for and average of 266 yards passing per game and a playoff QB rating of 100.9. He also averaged 88 yards a game with 3 rushing TD's. In short, Kaepernick blew up the 2012 playoffs.

I can't imagine anyone arguing that he's been that QB for the last couple years, but that isn't the issue here. At least give him credit for what he did accomplish and stop pretending the defense carried that team to the Super bowl.

Great post.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why are people still of the opinion that Kap should have taken a $5M paycut to play in Denver? A $7M salary is so ridiculously below NFL starting QB salaries. If I am Kap and I see Sam Bradford and Brock Osweiler making $18M a year, there is no way I am playing for $7M a year.

um... because he wasn't going to take a pay cut? He would have gotten his entire salary, split between two teams.

um...what?

The 49ers WERE NOT going to pay a portion of his salary.

Kap isn't a Bronco because he didn't want to take the paycut. Period. Nor should he.

And? What in my post was incorrect?

Kap was not going to take a pay cut. The trade deal hinged on the 49ers paying the rest of his salary.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again, you're throwing your opinion out there like it's a fact.

But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field.

Fact is in the post season of 2012, the defense stepped up EXACTLY when the team needed them to, allowing only 23 points in the second half of 3 games:

vs. Green Bay, they only allowed 10 points in the second half.

vs. Atlanta, they did not allow any points not even a field goal in the second half.

vs. Baltimore, they only allowed 13 points in the second half. One touchdown in the 3rd quarter and two field goals in the 4th quarter.

How is that not stepping up in the playoffs?? Remember it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Lmfao maybe because they gave up 25 a game? Doesn't matter when the points were given up, they gave them up. If you make the SB having 25 a game dropped on you, you got carried by the offense. Find me another team that made it that far giving up 25 a game. Defenses don't get carried that far, our offense was just amazing.

Keep clinging to this stupid argument. I hope it makes you feel better about Kap being a trash QB.

Kap being a trash QB now has zero to do with how he played in 2012.

And how Kap played in 2012 has nothing to do with how he will play in 2016.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again, you're throwing your opinion out there like it's a fact.

But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field.

Fact is in the post season of 2012, the defense stepped up EXACTLY when the team needed them to, allowing only 23 points in the second half of 3 games:

vs. Green Bay, they only allowed 10 points in the second half.

vs. Atlanta, they did not allow any points not even a field goal in the second half.

vs. Baltimore, they only allowed 13 points in the second half. One touchdown in the 3rd quarter and two field goals in the 4th quarter.

How is that not stepping up in the playoffs?? Remember it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Lmfao maybe because they gave up 25 a game? Doesn't matter when the points were given up, they gave them up. If you make the SB having 25 a game dropped on you, you got carried by the offense. Find me another team that made it that far giving up 25 a game. Defenses don't get carried that far, our offense was just amazing.

Keep clinging to this stupid argument. I hope it makes you feel better about Kap being a trash QB.

Kap being a trash QB now has zero to do with how he played in 2012.

And how Kap played in 2012 has nothing to do with how he will play in 2016.

Not a single poster in this thread has made the claim that it does.

Keep digging, man.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Well, I don't expect any real news hear until the next OTA's later this month...lets hope there is actually something to analyze at that point. Right now the only real facts we have are:

1. Kaepernick is still a 49er.
2.He is still injured and can't participate.
3. His agents asked for the opportunity to explore trade offers.
4. Said trade offers included offering the $49ers a pair of wet trading cards found in the gutter next to the Pittsburg Bart station and demanded that Kaep take a 40% paycut and compete for a job.
5. The request to explore trades has not been publicly rescinded.
6. Completely out of options, he is now "kind of Digging Chip Kelly"

Is too late now. Kap chose money over salvaging his career and now we are stuck with him until we cut him. Denver can play Paxton Lynch as and when they feel he is ready.

Some of the things he does seem to defy his high reported GPA. Plain and simple Denver would make him look better than he is as he would have to contribute minimally to win and not take risks. Also all he has to beat out is Sanchez who was valued the same as a 7th round pick. In SF he has to beat out the guy who took his job last year that is obviously more studious and has a head start on him. If Kap played a year in Denver and goes 10-6 he would increase his value well above the current $7 mil the league thinks he is worth. If he stays in SF he will collect $15 mil this year but when Gabbert beats him out he might get RG3'd and his value will drop to the $3-$5 mil scrub class, if anyone even wants him.

Even if he wins the job over Gabbert, the Niners as a team may not have a winning record or at best another average year, Kaep will not look as good compare to starting in Denver, and possibly a playoff team. The team's record affect his value too. That's just the way people view a player's value, especially at qb.

If he has a good year with Denver, most people would not care to remember his 2015 season.

This is absolutely true. I was puzzled by the thinking that went into his decision. Maybe he was being advised by and agent that decided he wanted his cut of $14M right now instead of taking a chance going forward, but whatever drove that negotiation it was all about the cash, and not about what would have been best for him as a player. Reviving his career and image in Denver would have been easier, and smarter.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Keep clinging to this stupid argument. I hope it makes you feel better about Kap being a trash QB.

How is calling out lies about our defense stepping up in the playoffs clinging to Kap? I just don't get why you guys have to lie to yourselves. Maybe it makes you feel better about Kap taking your boys job?

It keeps rearing it's ugly, uninformed head. A defense yields over 27 points a game in the playoffs and people are trying to tell you that defense carried the team. Come on, people. 27 points a game is NOT GOOD DEFENSE in anyone's book.

On the other hand, you don't need to be a Kaepernick fan to acknowledge the obvious: in the 2012 playoffs, Kaepernick threw for 4 td's and 2 ints for an average of 266 yards passing per game and a playoff QB rating of 100.9. He also averaged 88 yards a game with 3 rushing TD's. In short, Kaepernick blew up the 2012 playoffs.

I can't imagine anyone arguing that he's been that QB for the last couple years, but that isn't the issue here. At least give him credit for what he did accomplish and stop pretending the defense carried that team to the Super bowl.

Except they didn't average over 27 points a game.

And it amazes me how you guys like to ignore the s**tty offense in the first half of those games, and then ignore the great defense in the second half of those games.

Turnovers, scoreless quarters, 6 points in the first half on the Super Bowl.

But Kap carried the team.

LMAO.

LOL.

HAHAHAHA.

what a joke. I can't believe people actually believe that crap.

In terms of how Kap is viewed by the rest of the league: San Bradford is better.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Keep clinging to this stupid argument. I hope it makes you feel better about Kap being a trash QB.

How is calling out lies about our defense stepping up in the playoffs clinging to Kap? I just don't get why you guys have to lie to yourselves. Maybe it makes you feel better about Kap taking your boys job?

It keeps rearing it's ugly, uninformed head. A defense yields over 27 points a game in the playoffs and people are trying to tell you that defense carried the team. Come on, people. 27 points a game is NOT GOOD DEFENSE in anyone's book.

On the other hand, you don't need to be a Kaepernick fan to acknowledge the obvious: in the 2012 playoffs, Kaepernick threw for 4 td's and 2 ints for an average of 266 yards passing per game and a playoff QB rating of 100.9. He also averaged 88 yards a game with 3 rushing TD's. In short, Kaepernick blew up the 2012 playoffs.

I can't imagine anyone arguing that he's been that QB for the last couple years, but that isn't the issue here. At least give him credit for what he did accomplish and stop pretending the defense carried that team to the Super bowl.

Yep. They go around telling stupid idiotic lies about Kap getting carried to the SB, then call out the people that correct them for clinging to 2012 and believing Kap can be that qb again, when we're just calling out lies lol.

Why do people that hate the guy so much have to knock him and lie to themselves about his playoff performances, when they could just use this past season to make their point without having to make themselves look stupid? Think about that for a minute, and the ridiculous hate for the guy starts to make sense.

Wonder whats going on here....

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Except they didn't average over 27 points a game.

And it amazes me how you guys like to ignore the s**tty offense in the first half of those games, and then ignore the great defense in the second half of those games.

Turnovers, scoreless quarters, 6 points in the first half on the Super Bowl.

But Kap carried the team.

LMAO.

LOL.

HAHAHAHA.

what a joke. I can't believe people actually believe that crap.

In terms of how Kap is viewed by the rest of the league: San Bradford is better.

I'd rather have a disgruntled player who didn't threaten to boycott all team activities and not pick up the phone when I call.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Except they didn't average over 27 points a game.

And it amazes me how you guys like to ignore the s**tty offense in the first half of those games, and then ignore the great defense in the second half of those games.

Turnovers, scoreless quarters, 6 points in the first half on the Super Bowl.

But Kap carried the team.

LMAO.

LOL.

HAHAHAHA.

what a joke. I can't believe people actually believe that crap.

In terms of how Kap is viewed by the rest of the league: San Bradford is better.

Dude, sorry, but this post is as pathetic as it gets.

Here. Figure it out for yourself - it's simple arithmetic: the defense gave up 31 pts to the Packers, 24 pts to the Falcons and 27 in the SB (yes, I'm not counting the Ravens KO TD return - that's on special teams). (31 + 24 + 27) / 3 = 27.3333

I suppose it's possible that you don't realize this, but a football game is 2 halves, 4 quarters. It's the score at the END of the GAME that matters, not the score at the END of the HALF.

s**tty offense? Okay, again, how many teams have scored 31 points in a Super bowl and lost? In 50 games, that's happened 2 times.

Just stop. Please stop. In the face of all this arithmetic, it's just pathetic. Numbers are numbers.