Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

They were not very good in the postseason. Kap carried them through the GB game and that's not debatable. Our defense did put the clamps down in the 2nd half vs the Falcons though. And then looked like s**t again in the biggest game of their lives I don't think we even got close enough to breathe on Flacco

Please don't blame JUST the defense in that game, there were a lot of factors as to why the 49ers loss the Super Bowl. Again, unfrickin believable the bias opinions in here.

Definitely a lot of factors. Coming out unprepared (penalty on the 1st play of the game). The fumble by James killed some early momentum. Kap had a turnover. But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field. We couldn't get anywhere close to Flacco all game and that's unacceptable for a "top 5" defense. The offense at least looked good quite a few times in that game. The defense looked bad, damn near all game

Again, you're throwing your opinion out there like it's a fact.

But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field.

Fact is in the post season of 2012, the defense stepped up EXACTLY when the team needed them to, allowing only 23 points in the second half of 3 games:

vs. Green Bay, they only allowed 10 points in the second half.

vs. Atlanta, they did not allow any points not even a field goal in the second half.

vs. Baltimore, they only allowed 13 points in the second half. One touchdown in the 3rd quarter and two field goals in the 4th quarter.

How is that not stepping up in the playoffs?? Remember it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Couldn't get off the field on 4th down, couldn't keep them out of FG range on their last drive that made us need a TD instead of a FG. How many points did our offense score in the 2nd half? Significantly more in the 2nd half than the 1st half, no? Too bad the defense couldn't get off the field when we needed it the most. No sacks in the entire game?

It seems that great defense had a pattern of not getting off the field when it counted or when we needed it to? In the Seattle Seahawk NFC championship game Russell had numerous 3rd and longs and we couldn't get off the field, so there is a track record of the defense not being able to get off the field in a couple of huge games. (Factoring in the injuries) If we were considered a defensive team in that run, why couldn't they win it for us in those 3 years? Broncos offense was trash towards the end of the season and Denvers's defense saved them? Seattles defense did rise to the occasion? In the Atlanta game our defense gave up a lot and early, In the Super Bowl they just couldn't touch Flacco. Imo our defense didn't do its job, if defense wins championships??? that defense owed us 1 at least 1.. And for whatever the reasons they didn't. Some here want to say they carried us through the regular season but when they didn't do their job and was suppose to step their game level in the playoffs or SB they are quick to point at the offense, Defense wins championships right? Our defense failed us when we needed it the most. Sadly

Agree 100%.

LMAO.

0 point 1st quarter against the Falcons.
6 point 1st half against the Ravens.

Looks like the offense did'nt show up either.

Funny how after Green Bay got destroyed by the Zone Read and people figured out the concept, Kap's success level in the NFL started to fade... almost as if... people figured him out or something.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

They were not very good in the postseason. Kap carried them through the GB game and that's not debatable. Our defense did put the clamps down in the 2nd half vs the Falcons though. And then looked like s**t again in the biggest game of their lives I don't think we even got close enough to breathe on Flacco

Please don't blame JUST the defense in that game, there were a lot of factors as to why the 49ers loss the Super Bowl. Again, unfrickin believable the bias opinions in here.

Definitely a lot of factors. Coming out unprepared (penalty on the 1st play of the game). The fumble by James killed some early momentum. Kap had a turnover. But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field. We couldn't get anywhere close to Flacco all game and that's unacceptable for a "top 5" defense. The offense at least looked good quite a few times in that game. The defense looked bad, damn near all game

Again, you're throwing your opinion out there like it's a fact.

But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field.

Fact is in the post season of 2012, the defense stepped up EXACTLY when the team needed them to, allowing only 23 points in the second half of 3 games:

vs. Green Bay, they only allowed 10 points in the second half.

vs. Atlanta, they did not allow any points not even a field goal in the second half.

vs. Baltimore, they only allowed 13 points in the second half. One touchdown in the 3rd quarter and two field goals in the 4th quarter.

How is that not stepping up in the playoffs?? Remember it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Couldn't get off the field on 4th down, couldn't keep them out of FG range on their last drive that made us need a TD instead of a FG. How many points did our offense score in the 2nd half? Significantly more in the 2nd half than the 1st half, no? Too bad the defense couldn't get off the field when we needed it the most. No sacks in the entire game?

It seems that great defense had a pattern of not getting off the field when it counted or when we needed it to? In the Seattle Seahawk NFC championship game Russell had numerous 3rd and longs and we couldn't get off the field, so there is a track record of the defense not being able to get off the field in a couple of huge games. (Factoring in the injuries) If we were considered a defensive team in that run, why couldn't they win it for us in those 3 years? Broncos offense was trash towards the end of the season and Denvers's defense saved them? Seattles defense did rise to the occasion? In the Atlanta game our defense gave up a lot and early, In the Super Bowl they just couldn't touch Flacco. Imo our defense didn't do its job, if defense wins championships??? that defense owed us 1 at least 1.. And for whatever the reasons they didn't. Some here want to say they carried us through the regular season but when they didn't do their job and was suppose to step their game level in the playoffs or SB they are quick to point at the offense, Defense wins championships right? Our defense failed us when we needed it the most. Sadly

Agree 100%.

LMAO.

0 point 1st quarter against the Falcons.
6 point 1st half against the Ravens.

Looks like the offense did'nt show up either.

Funny how after Green Bay got destroyed by the Zone Read and people figured out the concept, Kap's success level in the NFL started to fade... almost as if... people figured him out or something.

Nice try!!!!! 1st quarter? 😂😂😂 LMFAO!!!

Funny how you use the first quarter but you see... I remember that game very clearly... So let's go to the video Jim!!!!!!

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000128766/49ers-vs-Falcons-highlights

1) 17-0 at one point in the 1st half...

2) They used words like DISMANTLED THE DEFENSE.....

3) They complemented Harbaugh and the offense!!! For staying composed but I know ya don't want to hear that because some are so concerned or fixed on hating Harbaugh so much that it's blinding or actually believe it themselves, similar to Baalkes fixation with ACL picks.

4) Stop it please, because I can put plenty of lmfao or gifsbut I try not to. Sorry but the video doesn't lie... Proof. Don't believe me. Watch

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Agreed. If a team gives up 40 in the first half but nothing in the 2nd, do we blame the offense if they lose 40-35??? I hope not...

Lol such a fking stupid argument.

Absurd. That 2012 defense was very good, until the end of the season. Can't understand how this is even debatable. No elite defense is giving up 25+ a game. Not happening

2013 Seahawks: gave up 15, 17, and then 8 in the SB (vs the top offense in the league)

2015 Broncos: gave up 16, 18 and then 10 in the SB (vs the top offense in the league)

THAT is what an elite defense carrying an offense should look like

2011 defense was an elite defense. Historically great.
In still mad that we couldn't win the SB with that squad. That was the best chance of all Harbaugh years.

Too bad our qb couldn't convert a couple of third downs

Agreed. We were healthy on defense and damn near killed Eli offense went to s**t down the stretch and those 3rd downs plus Kyle Williams was just

Originally posted by FutureGM:
Gabbert is by far the more superior QB between the two. I'll point out what I believe are obvious points. Kap doesn't move his feet well and doesn't work the pocket the way a QB is taught and never will he is who he is. I think joe cool is saying kap is "unathletic" because he has very slow feet unlike Rogers, romo, Wilson, cam, brees, rothlessburger lol and even Brady. They all have quick feet unlike kap. A few more reasons kap cannot succeed in this league is because he has zero touch, below average accuracy and has the slowest throwing motion in the NFL. Gabbert on the other hand has elusive feet, he's got hidin speed and He has a super quick release with above average accuracy. Another big difference of the two is kap seems to have the best memory in the NFL and he lets things eat at him it could be from bad play, fans, not wearing his favorite headphones etc. gabbert seems to have amnesia! gabbert could throw a pick then the next drive keep his head up and throw some strikes down the middle of the field and outside the numbers. Watch tape and you will see the poise he has. His 3-5 record as a starter last year is astonishing to me. Our team was ran by a mall cop last year and he still managed to bring a spark and players were playing for him unlike the pick6kap. They always wanted to fight for gabbert because they see the work he puts in during the week and they see the progression in him so it puts belief in the team (you'll know if you've ever played sports before no matter what level). I believe gabbert can be the future for us or another team if we don't realize his potential. I'm not saying he's all pro and this and that I'm saying he's no Trent dilfer. He can take an offense down Field and score touchdowns. He's Alex smith without the safe in him. Don't let those check downs fool you. Our offense was terrible and he took what the defense gave him. All I'm saying is 3-5 with a makeshift offense is a plus

Agreed, and Chip work well with real Americans tip the scale towards Blaine.

Kap looked great in that first half, more like his protection started to fade as years went on and the GM not addressing it sooner but yea... Bad Harbaugh offense. Mhm sure.

Why does anyone give a crap about the 2012 play-offs? The perfect storm that created that play-off run is long gone and what happened then is completely irrelevant to 2016.

Originally posted by BobS:

Why does anyone give a crap about the 2012 play-offs? The perfect storm that created that play-off run is long gone and what happened then is completely irrelevant to 2016.

I think if some cut back on the myths, legends and unicorn stories to fit their narrative we can all talk about something better. I'm sorry, I won't allow anyone beating me over the head like I don't follow this team or don't watch the games. You can play tricks with stats, points but the video doesn't lie. The sooner we all can come into terms with the past the sooner we can move on but people's hate for Kap and Harbaugh takes over from time to time and I'm sorry but I they must be addressed because history seems to get distorted as time passes. So I guess a refresher videos need to be posted so some can remember.

Originally posted by BobS:
Why does anyone give a crap about the 2012 play-offs? The perfect storm that created that play-off run is long gone and what happened then is completely irrelevant to 2016.

I completely agree that it's irrelevant to 2016. And I'm not what you'd probably call a Kap supporter. I guess I'm just a little perplexed at how hard it is for some fans to at least acknowledge that he was really good for the last half of the 2012 season. What happened to that player? I don't know. Was it getting figured out? Did he lose something instinctive when he tried to become a pocket passer? Did he get skittish after all the sacks? Was his 2012 performance some kind of mirage? Who knows? He's one of those enigmas to me - I expected him to progress after 2012 and he never really did. The only question now is whether he can find some of that flash he exhibited early on and win the job. I don't expect him to, but we'll see.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by BobS:

Why does anyone give a crap about the 2012 play-offs? The perfect storm that created that play-off run is long gone and what happened then is completely irrelevant to 2016.

I think if some cut back on the myths, legends and unicorn stories to fit their narrative we can all talk about something better. I'm sorry, I won't allow anyone beating me over the head like I don't follow this team or don't watch the games. You can play tricks with stats, points but the video doesn't lie. The sooner we all can come into terms with the past the sooner we can move on but people's hate for Kap and Harbaugh takes over from time to time and I'm sorry but I they must be addressed because history seems to get distorted as time passes. So I guess a refresher videos need to be posted so some can remember.

I'm ready to move on or have moved on when some are ready here.

what happened is that the game came EASY for him when he took over Akilex Smith's job.. just like the WILD CAT OFFENSE, no one was prepaired for it, and the timing was so great because our defense was great and hungry for the Super Bowl (after the loss to the Giants the year before)..

Kaep no doubt brought in a new dimension to the game.. the offense became alive.. it had a different threat.. and is just took off from then..

DO YOU ALL REMEMBER THE 1987 SEASON WHEN JOE GOT HURT ON THE MONDAY NIGHT VS THE BEARS?

that year, Steve Young took over the offense and since no one knew how to play him, he ended up putting great STATS which lead to many fans believing that he was ready to take over JOE's .. But look what had happened, when Joe left, Steve was good, but he just didn't have what it took to get over them Cowboys..

Same thing happened with Kaep, he inherited a team that was gonna WIN anyhow even with Alex, and he added THAT dimension to it.. the Defense was awesome so it actually saved Kaep for carrying the team..

But since BAALKE felt that he can replace just about anyone with a new found body, and when the defense started to become average, KAEP and his Dolphin CAP could no longer get it done.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
I think if some cut back on the myths, legends and unicorn stories

Speaking of, do you mind explaining this to me again, I think I'm a little lost

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
It seems that great defense had a pattern of not getting off the field when it counted or when we needed it to? In the Seattle Seahawk NFC championship game Russell had numerous 3rd and longs and we couldn't get off the field, so there is a track record of the defense not being able to get off the field in a couple of huge games.

Unless I'm mistaken, there were only two 3rd and long conversions that occurred during a scoring drive in that game. A 3rd and 7 conversion later resulting in a field goal (which came from Kaepernick's interception in 49er territory by the way), and the other was a touchdown on 4th and 7, not a 3rd and long conversion.

So how was the defense not able to get off the field again because Wilson was making all these allegedly numerous 3rd and long conversions? Especially when the Niners defense kept the Seahawks 3rd down conversion rate to 5/11, they kept the Seahawks to 0 points after the offense fumbled the ball and gave it to the Seahawks right at the 5 yard line, and when the defense mitigated Kaep's interception at the 49ers 40 yard line to a 49 yard field goal.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I'll tell you what, if Kap wins the QB Competition, I'm going to be super excited because that will mean that he's back! What's even better is that I think Kelly will do a much better job at getting Kap to be successful on an individual level than Harbaugh ever could.

That wouldn't surprise me at all. I think Kelly might be a little more flexible and maybe even more innovative offensively than Harbaugh. At least thats my hope.

Originally posted by Dicekiller:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

I think if some cut back on the myths, legends and unicorn stories

Speaking of, do you mind explaining this to me again, I think I'm a little lost

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
It seems that great defense had a pattern of not getting off the field when it counted or when we needed it to? In the Seattle Seahawk NFC championship game Russell had numerous 3rd and longs and we couldn't get off the field, so there is a track record of the defense not being able to get off the field in a couple of huge games.

Unless I'm mistaken, there were only two 3rd and long conversions that occurred during a scoring drive in that game. A 3rd and 7 conversion later resulting in a field goal (which came from Kaepernick's interception in 49er territory by the way), and the other was a touchdown on 4th and 7, not a 3rd and long conversion.

So how was the defense not able to get off the field again because Wilson was making all these allegedly numerous 3rd and long conversions? Especially when the Niners defense kept the Seahawks 3rd down conversion rate to 5/11, they kept the Seahawks to 0 points after the offense fumbled the ball and gave it to the Seahawks right at the 5 yard line, and when the defense mitigated Kaep's interception at the 49ers 40 yard line to a 49 yard field goal.

Seattle game, Baltimore game as someone mentioned there were a couple of huge games that they failed imo.. If defense wins championships, they should have won.. Most say the defense carried us? I will look back at that game but I believe those 2 3rd in longs were crucial or scored off of them because the defense couldn't get off the field it happened in a couple of huge games.

Originally posted by 9moon:
what happened is that the game came EASY for him when he took over Akilex Smith's job.. just like the WILD CAT OFFENSE, no one was prepaired for it, and the timing was so great because our defense was great and hungry for the Super Bowl (after the loss to the Giants the year before)..

Kaep no doubt brought in a new dimension to the game.. the offense became alive.. it had a different threat.. and is just took off from then..

DO YOU ALL REMEMBER THE 1987 SEASON WHEN JOE GOT HURT ON THE MONDAY NIGHT VS THE BEARS?

that year, Steve Young took over the offense and since no one knew how to play him, he ended up putting great STATS which lead to many fans believing that he was ready to take over JOE's .. But look what had happened, when Joe left, Steve was good, but he just didn't have what it took to get over them Cowboys..

Same thing happened with Kaep, he inherited a team that was gonna WIN anyhow even with Alex, and he added THAT dimension to it.. the Defense was awesome so it actually saved Kaep for carrying the team..

But since BAALKE felt that he can replace just about anyone with a new found body, and when the defense started to become average, KAEP and his Dolphin CAP could no longer get it done.

Both the Cowboys and Packers kept Young in check.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Dicekiller:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
I think if some cut back on the myths, legends and unicorn stories

Speaking of, do you mind explaining this to me again, I think I'm a little lost

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
It seems that great defense had a pattern of not getting off the field when it counted or when we needed it to? In the Seattle Seahawk NFC championship game Russell had numerous 3rd and longs and we couldn't get off the field, so there is a track record of the defense not being able to get off the field in a couple of huge games.

Unless I'm mistaken, there were only two 3rd and long conversions that occurred during a scoring drive in that game. A 3rd and 7 conversion later resulting in a field goal (which came from Kaepernick's interception in 49er territory by the way), and the other was a touchdown on 4th and 7, not a 3rd and long conversion.

So how was the defense not able to get off the field again because Wilson was making all these allegedly numerous 3rd and long conversions? Especially when the Niners defense kept the Seahawks 3rd down conversion rate to 5/11, they kept the Seahawks to 0 points after the offense fumbled the ball and gave it to the Seahawks right at the 5 yard line, and when the defense mitigated Kaep's interception at the 49ers 40 yard line to a 49 yard field goal.

Seattle game, Baltimore game as someone mentioned there were a couple of huge games that they failed imo.. If defense wins championships, they should have won.. Most say the defense carried us? I will look back at that game but I believe those 2 3rd in longs were crucial or scored off of them because the defense couldn't get off the field it happened in a couple of huge games.

The Seattle and Baltimore games occurred during two different post season runs, why compare them? Especially when the defense was actually getting the job done that second post season run, so the trend you should be abiding by if it means that much to you, is that one. So according to you, a 4th and 7 and 3rd and 7 conversion means Russel Wilson was making numerous 3rd down conversions and the defense couldn't get off the field? You're not really explaining yourself very well. Without trying to force a non existent trend between these two differently performing teams, how did the defense fail in that Seattle game?

This is getting off topic anyways, but I'm not sure how you can grossly exaggerate certain events, but later claim others are doing the same.

Kap started getting excited to work in Chip Kelly's offense once he heard he could get by making only one read.