Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Keep clinging to this stupid argument. I hope it makes you feel better about Kap being a trash QB.

How is calling out lies about our defense stepping up in the playoffs clinging to Kap? I just don't get why you guys have to lie to yourselves. Maybe it makes you feel better about Kap taking your boys job?

It keeps rearing it's ugly, uninformed head. A defense yields over 27 points a game in the playoffs and people are trying to tell you that defense carried the team. Come on, people. 27 points a game is NOT GOOD DEFENSE in anyone's book.

On the other hand, you don't need to be a Kaepernick fan to acknowledge the obvious: in the 2012 playoffs, Kaepernick threw for 4 td's and 2 ints for an average of 266 yards passing per game and a playoff QB rating of 100.9. He also averaged 88 yards a game with 3 rushing TD's. In short, Kaepernick blew up the 2012 playoffs.

I can't imagine anyone arguing that he's been that QB for the last couple years, but that isn't the issue here. At least give him credit for what he did accomplish and stop pretending the defense carried that team to the Super bowl.

...and moreover BLAME him for not WINNING the SB when they scored more points than any SB loser ever had. The largest comeback in SB history is 10 points and he very nearly pulled off down 23 points. The Super Bowl was his first career 300 yard game.

Kap ain't perfect by a longshot and he's regressed over the past few years, but drives me nuts when people try to mediate whatever success he DID have to make their point...IE rewrite history to paint a picture that best suites their argument.

Originally posted by mojave45:

This is absolutely true. I was puzzled by the thinking that went into his decision. Maybe he was being advised by and agent that decided he wanted his cut of $14M right now instead of taking a chance going forward, but whatever drove that negotiation it was all about the cash, and not about what would have been best for him as a player. Reviving his career and image in Denver would have been easier, and smarter.

Kap made the right decision in staying. In this league you never willingly take a paycut unless you're Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. Nothing's guaranteed except a guaranteed contract. He knew he could make in one year here than what DEN was offering over two years. The smart play is to get paid and compete. I never believed the crap folks were reporting. I stuck to the facts and I knew Kap wouldn't take that kind of cut to play for another team that obviously thought less of him than we did. Plus you had Chip constantly trying to convince him to stay here and compete. Short term and Long term this is his best fit because nothing's guaranteed but a guaranteed contract

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why are people still of the opinion that Kap should have taken a $5M paycut to play in Denver? A $7M salary is so ridiculously below NFL starting QB salaries. If I am Kap and I see Sam Bradford and Brock Osweiler making $18M a year, there is no way I am playing for $7M a year.

um... because he wasn't going to take a pay cut? He would have gotten his entire salary, split between two teams.

um...what?

The 49ers WERE NOT going to pay a portion of his salary.

Kap isn't a Bronco because he didn't want to take the paycut. Period. Nor should he.

And? What in my post was incorrect?

Kap was not going to take a pay cut. The trade deal hinged on the 49ers paying the rest of his salary.

No. It hinged on him taking a pay cut.

Painting it as the 49ers were at fault for not paying a portion of his salary is ludicrous. Why should they? Horse face in Denver wants the QB and the 49ers to pay half his salary as well?

Yeah, go screw yourself John.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
...and moreover BLAME him for not WINNING the SB when they scored more points than any SB loser ever had. The largest comeback in SB history is 10 points and he very nearly pulled off down 23 points. The Super Bowl was his first career 300 yard game.

Kap ain't perfect by a longshot and he's regressed over the past few years, but drives me nuts when people try to mediate whatever success he DID have to make their point...IE rewrite history to paint a picture that best suites their argument.

True. It's just weird. People don't have to go there. Everyone knows he's regressed for whatever reasons and hasn't been that guy for a few years now. I wanted some sort of trade to go through so everyone could just move on. But it just annoys me that some people can't at least give credit where credit is due.

Originally posted by crake49:
Dude, sorry, but this post is as pathetic as it gets.

Here. Figure it out for yourself - it's simple arithmetic: the defense gave up 31 pts to the Packers, 24 pts to the Falcons and 27 in the SB (yes, I'm not counting the Ravens KO TD return - that's on special teams). (31 + 24 + 27) / 3 = 27.3333

I suppose it's possible that you don't realize this, but a football game is 2 halves, 4 quarters. It's the score at the END of the GAME that matters, not the score at the END of the HALF.

s**tty offense? Okay, again, how many teams have scored 31 points in a Super bowl and lost? In 50 games, that's happened 2 times.

Just stop. Please stop. In the face of all this arithmetic, it's just pathetic. Numbers are numbers.

Wouldn't that have been quite something though, if Bowman were to run on to the field and tackle Sam Shields before he scored his touchdown in that Packers game.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Except they didn't average over 27 points a game.

And it amazes me how you guys like to ignore the s**tty offense in the first half of those games, and then ignore the great defense in the second half of those games.

Turnovers, scoreless quarters, 6 points in the first half on the Super Bowl.

But Kap carried the team.

LMAO.

LOL.

HAHAHAHA.

what a joke. I can't believe people actually believe that crap.

In terms of how Kap is viewed by the rest of the league: San Bradford is better.

Dude, sorry, but this post is as pathetic as it gets.

Here. Figure it out for yourself - it's simple arithmetic: the defense gave up 31 pts to the Packers, 24 pts to the Falcons and 27 in the SB (yes, I'm not counting the Ravens KO TD return - that's on special teams). (31 + 24 + 27) / 3 = 27.3333

I suppose it's possible that you don't realize this, but a football game is 2 halves, 4 quarters. It's the score at the END of the GAME that matters, not the score at the END of the HALF.

s**tty offense? Okay, again, how many teams have scored 31 points in a Super bowl and lost? In 50 games, that's happened 2 times.

Just stop. Please stop. In the face of all this arithmetic, it's just pathetic. Numbers are numbers.

Maybe you should go back to third grade cuz your arithmetic is wrong... remember the Pick 6 thrown by Kap in the Green Bay game?

I guess you forgot, we had horrible starts to ALL those 2012 playoff games. As in, the OFFENSE sucked, couldn't put up points, couldn't move the ball, etc...

Originally posted by crake49:

the defense gave up 31 pts to the Packers,

How is a defense responsible for a pick six by the QB?

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Except they didn't average over 27 points a game.

And it amazes me how you guys like to ignore the s**tty offense in the first half of those games, and then ignore the great defense in the second half of those games.

Turnovers, scoreless quarters, 6 points in the first half on the Super Bowl.

But Kap carried the team.

LMAO.

LOL.

HAHAHAHA.

what a joke. I can't believe people actually believe that crap.

In terms of how Kap is viewed by the rest of the league: San Bradford is better.

Dude, sorry, but this post is as pathetic as it gets.

Here. Figure it out for yourself - it's simple arithmetic: the defense gave up 31 pts to the Packers, 24 pts to the Falcons and 27 in the SB (yes, I'm not counting the Ravens KO TD return - that's on special teams). (31 + 24 + 27) / 3 = 27.3333

I suppose it's possible that you don't realize this, but a football game is 2 halves, 4 quarters. It's the score at the END of the GAME that matters, not the score at the END of the HALF.

s**tty offense? Okay, again, how many teams have scored 31 points in a Super bowl and lost? In 50 games, that's happened 2 times.

Just stop. Please stop. In the face of all this arithmetic, it's just pathetic. Numbers are numbers.

Maybe you should go back to third grade cuz your arithmetic is wrong... remember the Pick 6 thrown by Kap in the Green Bay game?

I guess you forgot, we had horrible starts to ALL those 2012 playoff games. As in, the OFFENSE sucked, couldn't put up points, couldn't move the ball, etc...

Horrible starts ?

Harbaugh's offense is horrible all game

Originally posted by Dicekiller:

Originally posted by crake49:
Dude, sorry, but this post is as pathetic as it gets.

Here. Figure it out for yourself - it's simple arithmetic: the defense gave up 31 pts to the Packers, 24 pts to the Falcons and 27 in the SB (yes, I'm not counting the Ravens KO TD return - that's on special teams). (31 + 24 + 27) / 3 = 27.3333

I suppose it's possible that you don't realize this, but a football game is 2 halves, 4 quarters. It's the score at the END of the GAME that matters, not the score at the END of the HALF.

s**tty offense? Okay, again, how many teams have scored 31 points in a Super bowl and lost? In 50 games, that's happened 2 times.

Just stop. Please stop. In the face of all this arithmetic, it's just pathetic. Numbers are numbers.

Wouldn't that have been quite something though, if Bowman were to run on to the field and tackle Sam Shields before he scored his touchdown in that Packers game.

Yes...7 pts in the Packer game were on Kap....

....but his point is still completely true.

With injuries to Aldon and Justin, the pass D was badly exposed in the 2012 playoffs.

Rodgers had 247 yards, 2 TDs and an INT, Ryan had 396 yards, three TDs and an INT, and Flacco had 287 yards, 3 TDs and 0 INTs.

Was Kap perfect in those games? Absolutely not. He threw a pick 6 against Green Bay, he threw an INT in the SB, and he couldn't get much going really early against Atlanta.

He was NOT however the reason they lost. Everyone remembers the 4 plays from inside the 10, but the fact that the kid was even IN that position to win the game is what should be remembered, not the fact that they couldn't score. They were down by TWENTY THREE points and he led them to the brink of the largest comeback in SB history.

Originally posted by MarkD:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

They were not very good in the postseason. Kap carried them through the GB game and that's not debatable. Our defense did put the clamps down in the 2nd half vs the Falcons though. And then looked like s**t again in the biggest game of their lives I don't think we even got close enough to breathe on Flacco

Frank Gore carried the team through the playoffs.

Kap had a historic performance vs GB...that was his game

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why are people still of the opinion that Kap should have taken a $5M paycut to play in Denver? A $7M salary is so ridiculously below NFL starting QB salaries. If I am Kap and I see Sam Bradford and Brock Osweiler making $18M a year, there is no way I am playing for $7M a year.

After his 2015 debacle that is what teams who thought he could help their QB situation felt he was worth. Whether you, Kap or his agents think he is worth more is irrelevant, his market value is currently $7 mil. If he rides the pine or starts and has another bad year in SF (highly likely) that $7 mil drops even further and he will be cut after collecting $15 mil in 2016. He then gets put in the class of $3-$5 mil second tier backs up a good assumption he signs a 3 year deal for $12 mil to be a back-up after SF dumps him. He makes $27 mil in 4 years this way. The smart move go to the Broncos for 2 years $15 mil, the team that while losing a few key players went 12-4 and won a Super Bowl with the worst cumulative QB play in the league with a line that protected a rag armed human statue very well. Kap cannot help but to improve the worst QB numbers in the league, doing that and getting back to back double digit wins and play-off runs will drastically increase his value.
If he stays in SF he leaves after most likely lowering his value further, going to Denver will likely increase his value. He likely makes more money finishing his career going to the Broncos. He obviously doesn't even believe in himself anymore, why should anyone else?

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by MarkD:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

They were not very good in the postseason. Kap carried them through the GB game and that's not debatable. Our defense did put the clamps down in the 2nd half vs the Falcons though. And then looked like s**t again in the biggest game of their lives I don't think we even got close enough to breathe on Flacco

Frank Gore carried the team through the playoffs.

Kap had a historic performance vs GB...that was his game

Yeah....

Kap had 266 yards passing and 181 yards rushing vs GB.

Yup...Gore sure carried them that game. Where do they get this stuff?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

They were not very good in the postseason. Kap carried them through the GB game and that's not debatable. Our defense did put the clamps down in the 2nd half vs the Falcons though. And then looked like s**t again in the biggest game of their lives I don't think we even got close enough to breathe on Flacco

Please don't blame JUST the defense in that game, there were a lot of factors as to why the 49ers loss the Super Bowl. Again, unfrickin believable the bias opinions in here.

Definitely a lot of factors. Coming out unprepared (penalty on the 1st play of the game). The fumble by James killed some early momentum. Kap had a turnover. But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field. We couldn't get anywhere close to Flacco all game and that's unacceptable for a "top 5" defense. The offense at least looked good quite a few times in that game. The defense looked bad, damn near all game

Again, you're throwing your opinion out there like it's a fact.

But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field.

Fact is in the post season of 2012, the defense stepped up EXACTLY when the team needed them to, allowing only 23 points in the second half of 3 games:

vs. Green Bay, they only allowed 10 points in the second half.

vs. Atlanta, they did not allow any points not even a field goal in the second half.

vs. Baltimore, they only allowed 13 points in the second half. One touchdown in the 3rd quarter and two field goals in the 4th quarter.

How is that not stepping up in the playoffs?? Remember it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Couldn't get off the field on 4th down, couldn't keep them out of FG range on their last drive that made us need a TD instead of a FG. How many points did our offense score in the 2nd half? Significantly more in the 2nd half than the 1st half, no? Too bad the defense couldn't get off the field when we needed it the most. No sacks in the entire game?

you guys, this crap ain't over yet?

Bottom line is, the 49ers had an Unbelievable year the time we went to the Super Bowl.. The Falcons truly was the best team in the NFC, and we just happened to upset them,

We didn't win the Super Bowl because the of some BAD play calling all game long... Especially when Kaep audibled froma RUN play to a PASS PLAY hoping that he can end the game with a TD (heroic) pass to Crabb.

Then his name had gotten BIG, he became so marketable that everyone including himself forgot that he wasn't a GREAT player still.. Walked around during the off-season like he was a SUPERSTAR, instead of improving his game..

Suddenly, every team in the NFL figured him our and allow his passing skills to beat them instead of his athletecism..

well,you all know what happened after that.. HE JUST SUCKED!!

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

They were not very good in the postseason. Kap carried them through the GB game and that's not debatable. Our defense did put the clamps down in the 2nd half vs the Falcons though. And then looked like s**t again in the biggest game of their lives I don't think we even got close enough to breathe on Flacco

Please don't blame JUST the defense in that game, there were a lot of factors as to why the 49ers loss the Super Bowl. Again, unfrickin believable the bias opinions in here.

Definitely a lot of factors. Coming out unprepared (penalty on the 1st play of the game). The fumble by James killed some early momentum. Kap had a turnover. But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field. We couldn't get anywhere close to Flacco all game and that's unacceptable for a "top 5" defense. The offense at least looked good quite a few times in that game. The defense looked bad, damn near all game

Again, you're throwing your opinion out there like it's a fact.

But our defense sucked, every time we needed to make a play, we couldn't get off of the field.

Fact is in the post season of 2012, the defense stepped up EXACTLY when the team needed them to, allowing only 23 points in the second half of 3 games:

vs. Green Bay, they only allowed 10 points in the second half.

vs. Atlanta, they did not allow any points not even a field goal in the second half.

vs. Baltimore, they only allowed 13 points in the second half. One touchdown in the 3rd quarter and two field goals in the 4th quarter.

How is that not stepping up in the playoffs?? Remember it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Couldn't get off the field on 4th down, couldn't keep them out of FG range on their last drive that made us need a TD instead of a FG. How many points did our offense score in the 2nd half? Significantly more in the 2nd half than the 1st half, no? Too bad the defense couldn't get off the field when we needed it the most. No sacks in the entire game?

I guess only the second halves of games count if you play defense. WTF?

All the points count regardless of when they are scored.