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Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

Again you're taking this argument to place I'm not even going to. But claiming it was all Kap that carried the 49ers to a Super Bowl is ridiculous and incorrect on all points.
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Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wrong!!!

Point I'm making is simply stating that the 49ers were good on both sides of the ball and that one side didn't carry the other, they go hand in hand. But like I said let's disregard the 49ers defense you're right it was ALL Kap that carried the team. Smh

So they were top 5 for their postseason performance?

top 12 at least in the postseason
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again you're taking this argument to place I'm not even going to. But claiming it was all Kap that carried the 49ers to a Super Bowl is ridiculous and incorrect on all points.

Well we're using actual stats from the playoffs that show the defense you want to give credit to absolutely sucked. All you have is their ranking from the reg season when they were healthy. We're making a much better case than you tbh
Originally posted by NickSh49:
All Kap debates, summed up in one never ending image....



Yes, this gif sums it up nicely
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yes let's disregard the top 5 defenses he had.

That top 5 defense was hurt and gave up a sliver under 30 points a game for the last 6 games of the season (including playoffs).

Try again, please.

Did they or did they not have a top 5 defense or do they just play 6 games a season, nice cut out stats btw.

The absolutely did NOT have a top 5 defense when it mattered. Like has been repeated ad nauseam, we gave up 29.6 points per game the last 6 games of the season.....you know....the games that really matter.

If a team gave up 29.6 points per game over the course of that season, they would have been ranked DEAD LAST in all of football.


You can call it picking and choosing stats all you want. They were the last 3 regular season games and 3 playoff games. All in a row. Those games matter a bit, wouldnt you say?

Totally missing the point to my original post. Again let's disregard a defense that was 2nd in points allowed in 2012.

Your original post was that we were a top 5 defense in 2012 collectively. Yes, we get that. However, that is not what we were discussing. We were discussing how Kaepernick carried our team down the stretch and through the playoffs. So using that time frame which we were discussing, you chiming in about having a top 5 defense over the course of the season is completely irrelevant.

Again, it's a matter of opinion (and in your case a biased one) on which side of the ball carried who. I'm not saying it was all defense (never did I once state that) all I'm saying it was a team effort in 2012.

Biased? How? Once again, I have repeated myself many times that I am NOT a Kap fan and was more than happy to move on from him.

I fail to see how it is a matter of opinion as to who carried who. Our defense was absolutely atrocious down the stretch (once again....29.6 points allowed in the last 6 games). How can anyone (biased or not), honestly say that it was a team effort when one side of the ball was so terrible?
Originally posted by Blindfury:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Getting the crap beat out of him on a horrible team. What would Kap have done if he played on those Jags teams? I think we got a glimpse last season.

This "talking point" is so utterly pathetic. You could make the same excuse for every single BUST that struggled on bad teams. You can say what you want about Kaep, I really don't care, but this Blaine uprising is utterly pathetic.

I am not someone who thinks Blaine is our savior either. I think if Kap plays to his 2014 level (which wasn't even that good) in Chip Kelly's offense, he beats out Gabbert. But what I saw in 2015 in terms of his ability to simply see the field doesn't give me much hope. But hey, if it was his shoulder, I'll go with that. He actually will be with a real offensive mind this time around. He will actually have some quality coaching on the offensive side of the ball. It's the perfect set up for Kap in terms of remaining with the 49ers. Truth be told, I actually hope he looks like that guy that destroyed Chicago in that first start on MNF. I hope he looks like the guy who comes as close as one player can be to singlehandledly beating a team as he did in the 2012 playoffs. But again, I'm not optimistic that we will ever see that again.

And no you cannot make that same excuse with every single bust. Some people are just bad players. JaMarcus Russell was a bad player, period. Tim Couch was a bad player. Jake Locker was a bad player. Blaine isn't one of those guys. I think he can be a great backup and perhaps a temporary starter, but he does not fall into the category of the aforementioned QBs.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again you're taking this argument to place I'm not even going to. But claiming it was all Kap that carried the 49ers to a Super Bowl is ridiculous and incorrect on all points.

Well we're using actual stats from the playoffs that show the defense you want to give credit to absolutely sucked. All you have is their ranking from the reg season when they were healthy. We're making a much better case than you tbh

If you take away Kaepernick's running stats, our running game was pretty pathetic down the stretch too. So we couldnt run the ball.....we couldnt stop anyone on defense....yet we somehow went 4-2 down that stretch and made the Superbowl. Nah, cant be because the QB carried us. Because regular season defensive ranking.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again you're taking this argument to place I'm not even going to. But claiming it was all Kap that carried the 49ers to a Super Bowl is ridiculous and incorrect on all points.

Well we're using actual stats from the playoffs that show the defense you want to give credit to absolutely sucked. All you have is their ranking from the reg season when they were healthy. We're making a much better case than you tbh

If you take away Kaepernick's running stats, our running game was pretty pathetic down the stretch too. So we couldnt run the ball.....we couldnt stop anyone on defense....yet we somehow went 4-2 down that stretch and made the Superbowl. Nah, cant be because the QB carried us. Because regular season defensive ranking.

Oh I know it, Kap was incredible. That was the highest level of QB play we've seen since Steve.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again you're taking this argument to place I'm not even going to. But claiming it was all Kap that carried the 49ers to a Super Bowl is ridiculous and incorrect on all points.

Well we're using actual stats from the playoffs that show the defense you want to give credit to absolutely sucked. All you have is their ranking from the reg season when they were healthy. We're making a much better case than you tbh

If you take away Kaepernick's running stats, our running game was pretty pathetic down the stretch too. So we couldnt run the ball.....we couldnt stop anyone on defense....yet we somehow went 4-2 down that stretch and made the Superbowl. Nah, cant be because the QB carried us. Because regular season defensive ranking.

Oh I know it, Kap was incredible. That was the highest level of QB play we've seen since Steve.

Jeff Garcia > Kap
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Jeff Garcia > Kap

Overall i agree. But Garcia never played like that. The GB game was one of the all-time greatest performances by a single player. We had 2 100 receivers in the SB and we didn't have a TO type receiver. We were putting up 30 a game. Jeff never reached that level.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yes let's disregard the top 5 defenses he had.

Does a top 5 defense matter when it doesn't play like it in the playoffs? Like, if you want to talk about the regular season, sure...but in the playoffs the D was not top 5 level. If it was, we would have had an extra SB.
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Jeff Garcia > Kap

Jeff in the playoffs = :-(
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Overall i agree. But Garcia never played like that. The GB game was one of the all-time greatest performances by a single player. We had 2 100 receivers in the SB and we didn't have a TO type receiver. We were putting up 30 a game. Jeff never reached that level.

Not to mention Garcia had a) a stacked offense, a elite level coaching staff and was a more than seasoned vet.

Who was better overall? Garcia if we look at regular season...but playoffs? Kaep took over games like no other player I've seen in a 9er jersey since Young.
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again you're taking this argument to place I'm not even going to. But claiming it was all Kap that carried the 49ers to a Super Bowl is ridiculous and incorrect on all points.

Well we're using actual stats from the playoffs that show the defense you want to give credit to absolutely sucked. All you have is their ranking from the reg season when they were healthy. We're making a much better case than you tbh

If you take away Kaepernick's running stats, our running game was pretty pathetic down the stretch too. So we couldnt run the ball.....we couldnt stop anyone on defense....yet we somehow went 4-2 down that stretch and made the Superbowl. Nah, cant be because the QB carried us. Because regular season defensive ranking.

We couldn't stop anyone on defense, smfh. Unbelievable, tell me how that's not a biased opinion.
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