Colin Kaepernick Thread

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I miss that Kap

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
You and I both know a rookie, Patton, wasn't ever getting that ball in that situation. He has to be the 3-4 read on that play. True?

Not sure what the progression is on that play, but Kap chooses to look backside instead of concept side. Concept side is where the route combination takes place. Backside is where the 1v1 takes place. Had Kap looked concept side, he probably sees Patton.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not so clear cut when you convert it to video. There's a great chance that ball is picked.

yeah no. QB's all across that league make that play regularly. Its not a play intended to pick up 30 yards, you secure the football and get whatever you can. Even if Miller drops it or only picks up 2 or 3 yards, its a hell of a lot better than throwing a flailing, off balance pass into double coverage.

What's also interesting is the play action. Kaep play actions left but Gore goes right to pickup the incoming rusher. The question then becomes who missed their assignment, Kaep, gore or the Olinemen? That aspect throws off all the timing. If the ball was to come out 'quick' then play action and a 7 step drop isn't necessary is it?

It's designed that way concerning the rusher. The fullback is suppose to bluff that he's going to block him, then head to the flats, where it becomes Gore's job to cut him. Gruden explains the concept of the play much better in that video I posted.

Originally posted by Dicekiller:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not so clear cut when you convert it to video. There's a great chance that ball is picked.

yeah no. QB's all across that league make that play regularly. Its not a play intended to pick up 30 yards, you secure the football and get whatever you can. Even if Miller drops it or only picks up 2 or 3 yards, its a hell of a lot better than throwing a flailing, off balance pass into double coverage.

What's also interesting is the play action. Kaep play actions left but Gore goes right to pickup the incoming rusher. The question then becomes who missed their assignment, Kaep, gore or the Olinemen? That aspect throws off all the timing. If the ball was to come out 'quick' then play action and a 7 step drop isn't necessary is it?

It's designed that way concerning the rusher. The fullback is suppose to bluff that he's going to block him, then head to the flats, where it becomes Gore's job to cut him. Gruden explains the concept of the play much better in that video I posted.

Neither of those plays in the OAK is Spider2Y Banana. The first play of the game (INTed) is a Spot concept. All three plays (INT, TD, Spider2Y) are similar in what the FB does, but the rest of the routes are different.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Dicekiller:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not so clear cut when you convert it to video. There's a great chance that ball is picked.

yeah no. QB's all across that league make that play regularly. Its not a play intended to pick up 30 yards, you secure the football and get whatever you can. Even if Miller drops it or only picks up 2 or 3 yards, its a hell of a lot better than throwing a flailing, off balance pass into double coverage.

What's also interesting is the play action. Kaep play actions left but Gore goes right to pickup the incoming rusher. The question then becomes who missed their assignment, Kaep, gore or the Olinemen? That aspect throws off all the timing. If the ball was to come out 'quick' then play action and a 7 step drop isn't necessary is it?

It's designed that way concerning the rusher. The fullback is suppose to bluff that he's going to block him, then head to the flats, where it becomes Gore's job to cut him. Gruden explains the concept of the play much better in that video I posted.

Neither of those plays in the OAK is Spider2Y Banana. The first play of the game (INTed) is a Spot concept. All three plays (INT, TD, Spider2Y) are similar in what the FB does, but the rest of the routes are different.

Huh, guess I saw too many similarities. I didn't think it was the exact same play, but some kind of same concept or something to get the ball to the fullback, where you have him head to the flat, a corner route, and the route to get the pick and be more of a distraction.

Kaep has a knack of finding a way to f**k it up, no matter how easy the concept lol

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

You and I both know a rookie, Patton, wasn't ever getting that ball in that situation. He has to be the 3-4 read on that play. True?

Not sure what the progression is on that play, but Kap chooses to look backside instead of concept side. Concept side is where the route combination takes place. Backside is where the 1v1 takes place. Had Kap looked concept side, he probably sees Patton.

Very true. Hindsight being 20 20 I'm sure different decision are made. typically when a QB has his best WR 1on1 that's where he's going. Most defenses don't buzz their Lbs that deep from what I've seen.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Sometimes I wonder what people are looking at when they watch these plays.

This picture is all you need to see. No defender within a 5 yard radius of the FB, on the concept side.

DE just got up from the ground. DB has his hips turned and is running into a middle zone to cover the cross. Even if the DB can turn his hips and come up on the FB, the FB still gains 3-5 yards. If Miller plows through the DB, can pickup 5-7+. If the ball is thrown to the right spot, Miller can take it in stride and pick up 10, because the DB has to completely reverse direction to get back outside the numbers. Ball should have been thrown right here. That's called NFL Wide Open.

What actually happens, is Kap locks on the either the TE of the cross, and doesn't even look at Miller, even though there's a simple progression read on the concept side, even working deep to shallow. This is a perfect example of not being able to make simple progressions and not understanding the basic play call.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Dicekiller:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not so clear cut when you convert it to video. There's a great chance that ball is picked.

yeah no. QB's all across that league make that play regularly. Its not a play intended to pick up 30 yards, you secure the football and get whatever you can. Even if Miller drops it or only picks up 2 or 3 yards, its a hell of a lot better than throwing a flailing, off balance pass into double coverage.

What's also interesting is the play action. Kaep play actions left but Gore goes right to pickup the incoming rusher. The question then becomes who missed their assignment, Kaep, gore or the Olinemen? That aspect throws off all the timing. If the ball was to come out 'quick' then play action and a 7 step drop isn't necessary is it?

It's designed that way concerning the rusher. The fullback is suppose to bluff that he's going to block him, then head to the flats, where it becomes Gore's job to cut him. Gruden explains the concept of the play much better in that video I posted.

Neither of those plays in the OAK is Spider2Y Banana. The first play of the game (INTed) is a Spot concept. All three plays (INT, TD, Spider2Y) are similar in what the FB does, but the rest of the routes are different.

In looking at the gif from the Oakland game can you tell what the first read is?

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Sometimes I wonder what people are looking at when they watch these plays.

This picture is all you need to see.

DE just got up from the ground. DB has his hips turned and is running into a middle zone to cover the cross. Even if the DB can turn his hips and come up on the FB, the FB still gains 3-5 yards. Ball should have been thrown right here.

Kaep looking at imaginary WR streaking downfield, waiting for him to make the break so Kaep can zip the ball for a big gain.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Sometimes I wonder what people are looking at when they watch these plays.

This picture is all you need to see. No defender within a 5 yard radius of the FB.

DE just got up from the ground. DB has his hips turned and is running into a middle zone to cover the cross. Even if the DB can turn his hips and come up on the FB, the FB still gains 3-5 yards. If Miller plows through the DB, can pickup 5-7+. If the ball is thrown to the right spot, Miller can take it in stride and pick up 10, because the DB has to completely reverse direction to get back outside the numbers. Ball should have been thrown right here. That's called NFL Wide Open.

It's probably because those people understand that there's more to a play than a still picture.

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Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Sometimes I wonder what people are looking at when they watch these plays.

This picture is all you need to see. No defender within a 5 yard radius of the FB.

DE just got up from the ground. DB has his hips turned and is running into a middle zone to cover the cross. Even if the DB can turn his hips and come up on the FB, the FB still gains 3-5 yards. If Miller plows through the DB, can pickup 5-7+. If the ball is thrown to the right spot, Miller can take it in stride and pick up 10, because the DB has to completely reverse direction to get back outside the numbers. Ball should have been thrown right here. That's called NFL Wide Open.

It's probably because those people understand that there's more to a play than a still picture.

Is that so? Like what? At that point in the play, every route has developed. At that point in the play, Kap has dropped back 6 yards.

Any other functional QB in the league has already read the defense, read the cross and the TE, is looking for their outlet route, and made a decision on where to throw the ball. Not Kap.

Kap instead holds on to the ball after seeing one, maybe two of the routes in the concept, and looks at the DE, who just got up off the turf, instead of the third route in the concept, who is completely wide open. Then he runs the OPPOSITE direction from the play side to throw to the only target on the other side of field. A QB who understands the play will try to run to the concept side of the field, especially when the OL is sliding the other way... No DL in front of him, blockers if he decides to run, WRs to throw to before getting to the LOS, etc... Hell, a good mobile QB will step up to avoid the lone rusher as he whizzes right by...

Kap had 3 full seconds of clean pocket before the DE even got up from the ground.

While he's still standing there looking. Someone should tweet to Kaep he has no receiver open. Take the check down to Miller instead.

Anticipation is also about ability to see the WR is not going to get open and quickly move off to another option.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Sometimes I wonder what people are looking at when they watch these plays.

This picture is all you need to see.

DE just got up from the ground. DB has his hips turned and is running into a middle zone to cover the cross. Even if the DB can turn his hips and come up on the FB, the FB still gains 3-5 yards. Ball should have been thrown right here.

Kaep looking at imaginary WR streaking downfield, waiting for him to make the break so Kaep can zip the ball for a big gain.

"Kap did you get that? Strong right slot z right spider 2 Y banana."

"Got it. Vernon Post on 2. Vernon Post on 2. Ready. Break."