Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:

Originally posted by Joecool:
This is what's so confusing. Kap signed a sort of performance based contract but he hasn't improved in the small things required to make him a consistent QB.

I don't think he doesn't want to compete. I think he wants to compete for the job AND wants to play for Chip Kelly but his problems in the locker room is what is driving his decision to no longer want to be on the team.

if he doesn't wanna deal with the locker room, then he's definitely not the leader we need.
He should have already pulled together the core locker room guys, and apologized for creating a rift in the locker room by dating a former player's ex girlfriend and whatever else he's done.

It takes a certain level of integrity to fall on the sword and be accountable for your actions. If he doesn't see that or think its worth doing, then he needs to go.

Kaepernick has shown nothing in terms for leadership on this team.

i will say he has shown a small body of work in regards to leadership for the team.. he was one of the guys we expected to step up in the face of all of the vet departures and for whatever reason, in my opinion , it never happened... otherwise i really find little wrong, sad to say, with the statements made by all of the above posters

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:

Originally posted by Joecool:
This is what's so confusing. Kap signed a sort of performance based contract but he hasn't improved in the small things required to make him a consistent QB.

I don't think he doesn't want to compete. I think he wants to compete for the job AND wants to play for Chip Kelly but his problems in the locker room is what is driving his decision to no longer want to be on the team.

if he doesn't wanna deal with the locker room, then he's definitely not the leader we need.
He should have already pulled together the core locker room guys, and apologized for creating a rift in the locker room by dating a former player's ex girlfriend and whatever else he's done.

It takes a certain level of integrity to fall on the sword and be accountable for your actions. If he doesn't see that or think its worth doing, then he needs to go.

Kaepernick has shown nothing in terms for leadership on this team.

Can't disagree with the bold. This is the biggest concern of moving forward with Kap.

that and his lack of mental toughness, in my opinion, in the way he lets other players get inside of his head during a game. that has always been disappointing to me

Maybe Kaep can't make up his mind. Disillusioned by the state of the 49ers. And if the rumors of the locker room are true, then Kaep maybe saying, 'I'm going to go somewhere else for a fresh start'. But then the possibility of working with Kelly in the offense. He told Kelly he would love to stay. His agent is telling him he's not likely to get most of the incentive numbers in a retooling 49ers team. No, no, lets GTFO of town.

In terms of stepping up and being a leader outside of the whole Aldon situation, I think it has been understated how hard it would have been for him to really come out a true leader while learning a new offense run by Geep and the radio guy and being head coached by Tomsula.

All those sudden departures with leadership attached to them, and then being thrust into that role, all while trying to improve as a player...it definitely had to take a toll, but you cant just sit in a corner and be quiet. You have to rally your guys around you and come together. He hasn't seemed to even try any of this its sad.

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:
In terms of stepping up and being a leader outside of the whole Aldon situation, I think it has been understated how hard it would have been for him to really come out a true leader while learning a new offense run by Geep and the radio guy and being head coached by Tomsula.

All those sudden departures with leadership attached to them, and then being thrust into that role, all while trying to improve as a player...it definitely had to take a toll, but you cant just sit in a corner and be quiet. You have to rally your guys around you and come together. He hasn't seemed to even try any of this its sad.

The fact that we did have those coaches should have made it easier for Kap to step up and take control. If a player must be thrust into a leadership role...then I don't think that's the leader anyone wants. Leaders step up, they don't get pushed up.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Maybe Kaep can't make up his mind. Disillusioned by the state of the 49ers. And if the rumors of the locker room are true, then Kaep maybe saying, 'I'm going to go somewhere else for a fresh start'. But then the possibility of working with Kelly in the offense. He told Kelly he would love to stay. His agent is telling him he's not likely to get most of the incentive numbers in a retooling 49ers team. No, no, lets GTFO of town.

in my opinion, just like alex did,, he should be inspired by a new coach , a fresh start and would embrace the challenge of playing the lead role in the turning around the state of the franchise..... then it goes back to the locker room thing, he has bad people telling him things, his ego, he is scared of the challenge( yes those are just speculations by cc),, whatever

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:
In terms of stepping up and being a leader outside of the whole Aldon situation, I think it has been understated how hard it would have been for him to really come out a true leader while learning a new offense run by Geep and the radio guy and being head coached by Tomsula.

All those sudden departures with leadership attached to them, and then being thrust into that role, all while trying to improve as a player...it definitely had to take a toll, but you cant just sit in a corner and be quiet. You have to rally your guys around you and come together. He hasn't seemed to even try any of this its sad.

The fact that we did have those coaches should have made it easier for Kap to step up and take control. If a player must be thrust into a leadership role...then I don't think that's the leader anyone wants. Leaders step up, they don't get pushed up.

he was one of the ones who we assumed or expected to step up in the role of leader and he never happened.. he even ended up losing his job which was demoralizing for all involved. we saw gabbert, with the talent of ck, take the challenge and did a more than respectable job. ck had a golden chance. i get very very upset with players when they have a opportunity right in front of them and they never take it. sure we had mongoloid coaches and a s**t offensive line.. to me that has NOTHING to do with being a leader

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:
In terms of stepping up and being a leader outside of the whole Aldon situation, I think it has been understated how hard it would have been for him to really come out a true leader while learning a new offense run by Geep and the radio guy and being head coached by Tomsula.

All those sudden departures with leadership attached to them, and then being thrust into that role, all while trying to improve as a player...it definitely had to take a toll, but you cant just sit in a corner and be quiet. You have to rally your guys around you and come together. He hasn't seemed to even try any of this its sad.

The fact that we did have those coaches should have made it easier for Kap to step up and take control. If a player must be thrust into a leadership role...then I don't think that's the leader anyone wants. Leaders step up, they don't get pushed up.

he was one of the ones who we assumed or expected to step up in the role of leader and he never happened.. he even ended up losing his job which was demoralizing for all involved. we saw gabbert, with the talent of ck, take the challenge and did a more than respectable job. ck had a golden chance. i get very very upset with players when they have a opportunity right in front of them and they never take it. sure we had mongoloid coaches and a s**t offensive line.. to me that has NOTHING to do with being a leader

damn i am sorry today......... meant to say WITHOUT the talent of ck

Originally posted by BobS:
Doesn't change the fact he is heavily flawed, didn't improve those flaws and productivity has steadily declined. Trent Dilfer and his 5-1 play-off record were let go after winning a Super Bowl.

Every QB is flawed. My point is that when you win a SB, people overlook these flaws.

Originally posted by BobS:
All of them showed promise out of college or were back-ups that tore it up their first year or two as a starter then fell flat on their face. It happens quite frequently. Elvis Grbac lit it up his first year playing here and I admit being fooled by him, I was livid when he was let go to the Chiefs.

You were fooled by Grbac, but not by Kaepernick. Okay. Kaepernick did a lot better in his first two years playing than Grbac did - in some ways, he did a LOT better than Grbac. Maybe it's just that you liked Grbac and didn't like Kaepernick. Is that a possibility?

Originally posted by cciowa:
he is not terrible.. in my opinion he , for whatever reason has not improved and has regressed. he came in and just wowed everyone. well the nfl caught up to him and whether its him, the coaches he has had, he has not adjusted to how the nfl has adjusted to him. we can blame coaches, supporting cast, offensive line etc and OF COURSE all of the above deserve it... but in the end, he has got to do more than just pull tires and lift weights. even when he did work out last summer, to his credit,,,,,,, warner even said ck did not put those things he worked on into practical application on the field in games. one issue that has always been with ck, in my opinion, is the fact he lets the other teams defensive players get into his head and when that happens you are f**ked as a football player

And there it is

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:
In terms of stepping up and being a leader outside of the whole Aldon situation, I think it has been understated how hard it would have been for him to really come out a true leader while learning a new offense run by Geep and the radio guy and being head coached by Tomsula.

All those sudden departures with leadership attached to them, and then being thrust into that role, all while trying to improve as a player...it definitely had to take a toll, but you cant just sit in a corner and be quiet. You have to rally your guys around you and come together. He hasn't seemed to even try any of this its sad.

The fact that we did have those coaches should have made it easier for Kap to step up and take control. If a player must be thrust into a leadership role...then I don't think that's the leader anyone wants. Leaders step up, they don't get pushed up.

he was one of the ones who we assumed or expected to step up in the role of leader and he never happened.. he even ended up losing his job which was demoralizing for all involved. we saw gabbert, with the talent of ck, take the challenge and did a more than respectable job. ck had a golden chance. i get very very upset with players when they have a opportunity right in front of them and they never take it. sure we had mongoloid coaches and a s**t offensive line.. to me that has NOTHING to do with being a leader

damn i am sorry today......... meant to say WITHOUT the talent of ck

i feel like the incumbent always comes in and looks better...same thing with Kap himself...he hated that Alex didnt target downfield...Kap came in instantly and did just that...he played loose with nothing to lose and flourished for awhile....Gabbert didnt light the world on fire, but the tiny spark he provided bought him some time...

Originally posted by cciowa:
i think the san fran mayor wanted him dead at one pint in time.... over throwing wide open people in the end zone in the playoffs

yep Mayor Willie Brown, called Him a bonehead

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:

if he doesn't wanna deal with the locker room, then he's definitely not the leader we need.
He should have already pulled together the core locker room guys, and apologized for creating a rift in the locker room by dating a former player's ex girlfriend and whatever else he's done.

It takes a certain level of integrity to fall on the sword and be accountable for your actions. If he doesn't see that or think its worth doing, then he needs to go.

Exactly be a fu*king man and squash it. Ain't no one gonna go up to him and do it for him. If his prides getting in the way then ppl are just gonna dislike him more.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by 9er2k:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
I find it funny that apparently the Browns don't want Kap. The Browns lol

But we sure do! He's dat good! Haha

Why should they? Everyone knows both sides don't want each other now.Most likely he gets cut and you pick him up for a better price minus draft picks.There is a bigger market than most people think for KAP

You just contradicted yourself, if their is a bigger market for Kap than we think the 49er front office that knows way more than us will know that also. It only takes two teams wanting him to make him trade able. Why would they cut him if they could get anything for him?

Because why would you want someone getting paid that amount on the bench if your the 49ers? And why if your say the Browns would you trade for a player if you know they don't want to be with their team and will most likely get cut anyways.If I am a gm and I have any interest I'm waiting to see if they cut him before I offer any trade for draft picks or players.I am sure there are a lot of teams that say the 49ers were a mess last year and maybe KAP is not as bad as we think(Personally I am not a big fan but when allowed to scramble and use his legs he is a weapon,or was) So yeah your not going to hear anything now because most teams know both sides really don't like each other and they are going to wait it out