Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by SoCold:

There is no proof of the retired players but it's fishy. There is proof of many FO blunders over the last few years.

I'm surprised the latest one about Kaps injuries is not talked about more.

Everyone keeps saying that Kap was benched for Blaine. He was benched because he couldn't physically play.
Kap said himself after the season he couldn't run or jump after the Rams game because of a knee injury. Also found out he had a torn ligament in his throwing
hand after the season. Even this morning on NFL radio Bob Papa said Kap was benched in favor of Blaine. How was Kap supposed to play? Hop around on one leg???? They had to play Blaine.

When Trent was asked about the injures he had no idea and told reporters to ask the medical staff.
Really?

If I'm the GM of a NFL team I am ordering an MRI be done the next day on my starting QB's hand, who also happens to be my most expensive player. Even if he says he's good to go. Of course he's going to say that. He didn't want to lose his job.

If the team found the torn ligament after the Seattle game when he injured it then you sit him down and order a surgery if needed. Then he doesn't hurt his knee in the Rams game. He could have had surgery on his hand three and a half months ago and be way ahead of where he is now.

blunder after blunder after blunder

It's easier to just scapegoat kaep though. Injuries to QB's only matter if they're concerning anyone BUT Kaep. If you dislike Kaep, you ignore the injuries.

I undy ur bold the point about injured to Qb's only matter. Ur right. If Kap does work hard for successfully and earned the wins games for playoff and Championship but kap cant beat the Seahawks then no excuse.. .. If Kap can beat for Seahawks and Cardinals for often then i will respectful to kap was injured his quarterback. Then i want kap stay for us the years.. feeling me?

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by English:

But amazingly and for no reason at all none of the players has breathed a word about it since. But hey, ain't nothing that happens in this world that posters can't blame on Baalke or York. No proof, no evidence, but that doesn't stop NT.

They're blaming everything on Kaep so don't worry about it.

Serious question... do you hold Kap accountable for anything? You tend to blame anyone and everyone for all of Kaps issues.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by SoCold:

There is no proof of the retired players but it's fishy. There is proof of many FO blunders over the last few years.

I'm surprised the latest one about Kaps injuries is not talked about more.

Everyone keeps saying that Kap was benched for Blaine. He was benched because he couldn't physically play.
Kap said himself after the season he couldn't run or jump after the Rams game because of a knee injury. Also found out he had a torn ligament in his throwing
hand after the season. Even this morning on NFL radio Bob Papa said Kap was benched in favor of Blaine. How was Kap supposed to play? Hop around on one leg???? They had to play Blaine.

When Trent was asked about the injures he had no idea and told reporters to ask the medical staff.
Really?

If I'm the GM of a NFL team I am ordering an MRI be done the next day on my starting QB's hand, who also happens to be my most expensive player. Even if he says he's good to go. Of course he's going to say that. He didn't want to lose his job.

If the team found the torn ligament after the Seattle game when he injured it then you sit him down and order a surgery if needed. Then he doesn't hurt his knee in the Rams game. He could have had surgery on his hand three and a half months ago and be way ahead of where he is now.

blunder after blunder after blunder

It's easier to just scapegoat kaep though. Injuries to QB's only matter if they're concerning anyone BUT Kaep. If you dislike Kaep, you ignore the injuries.

Miacco was on the radio yesterday and he said he was surprised the Niners are keeping Kap. From his words, he said the players are highly in favor of Gabbert.

Not sure what to tell other than the fact that most of Kaps teammates don't want him around, not just the front office.

Originally posted by BuZzB05:
I undy ur bold the point about injured to Qb's only matter. Ur right. If Kap does work hard for successfully and earned the wins games for playoff and Championship but kap cant beat the Seahawks then no excuse.. .. If Kap can beat for Seahawks and Cardinals for often then i will respectful to kap was injured his quarterback. Then i want kap stay for us the years.. feeling me?

Kaep has beaten the Cards several times, actually. He has also played well against them in his career. He had one bad game against them. Go back and look at his games against the Cards and report back to me.

As I said. Kaep had 3 injuries this year. Are you denying that? Are you denying that they had no affect on his play? As I said, Kaep's injuries do not matter. But let another QB get injured and out come the excuses.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Blindfury:
I have never in my life seen you say anything positive about him. Not one single post. It's all narratives from you.

LOL. For a long time I was one of Kaepernick's biggest supporters on here. I was quite happy when the 49ers drafted him, quite happy to see him succeed early. I certainly wasn't shedding tears when he he replaced Alex. I thought that he had all the upside in the world and as long as he kept working hard and focusing on the minutiae of quarterbacking, he'd be great.


But at a certain point, you just accept that a guy is who he is and he isn't going to improve. Kaepernick's weaknesses are the exact same now as they were when he was entering the draft. He hasn't really done anything to improve on them, and I came to the conclusion that he's just never going to put the necessary effort in to be a top NFL QB, which he has the potential to be, but he has seemingly been more focused on improving the physical side of his game, not so much the mental side or his mechanics.


He had a lot of success early and I guess he figured he was good enough that he didn't have to put the extra effort into that stuff.

totally agree^^ I'm in the same boat I was a huge supporter of Kap and backed him up all the time even when he wasn't playing well. But there comes a point when you have to improve and stop blaming everyone else. IF your a good player you will make other players around you better plain in simple.

He had all the talent in the world but didn't take the steps to better himself as a all around QB.

Wish him well if he leaves but I think it's best for both sides to move on at this point.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Miacco was on the radio yesterday and he said he was surprised the Niners are keeping Kap. From his words, he said the players are highly in favor of Gabbert.

Not sure what to tell other than the fact that most of Kaps teammates don't want him around, not just the front office.

Just like the reports that the players backed Kaep when he became the starter? Winning cures all. Just wait till your buddy Gabbert continues to lose, you think he will have a vocal group? The same group that wishes they had him in Jacksonville?

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by SoCold:

There is no proof of the retired players but it's fishy. There is proof of many FO blunders over the last few years.

I'm surprised the latest one about Kaps injuries is not talked about more.

Everyone keeps saying that Kap was benched for Blaine. He was benched because he couldn't physically play.
Kap said himself after the season he couldn't run or jump after the Rams game because of a knee injury. Also found out he had a torn ligament in his throwing
hand after the season. Even this morning on NFL radio Bob Papa said Kap was benched in favor of Blaine. How was Kap supposed to play? Hop around on one leg???? They had to play Blaine.

When Trent was asked about the injures he had no idea and told reporters to ask the medical staff.
Really?

If I'm the GM of a NFL team I am ordering an MRI be done the next day on my starting QB's hand, who also happens to be my most expensive player. Even if he says he's good to go. Of course he's going to say that. He didn't want to lose his job.

If the team found the torn ligament after the Seattle game when he injured it then you sit him down and order a surgery if needed. Then he doesn't hurt his knee in the Rams game. He could have had surgery on his hand three and a half months ago and be way ahead of where he is now.

blunder after blunder after blunder

It's easier to just scapegoat kaep though. Injuries to QB's only matter if they're concerning anyone BUT Kaep. If you dislike Kaep, you ignore the injuries.

Miacco was on the radio yesterday and he said he was surprised the Niners are keeping Kap. From his words, he said the players are highly in favor of Gabbert.

Not sure what to tell other than the fact that most of Kaps teammates don't want him around, not just the front office.

The bold is for real?. Maybe its true. Blindfury.. Do u understand any make sense. Why Kap was team dont want him cuz they hate him that kap did bang his ex girlfriend from teammates. Do u blames for us of 49ers fans? No excuse for u.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Blindfury:
I have never in my life seen you say anything positive about him. Not one single post. It's all narratives from you.

LOL. For a long time I was one of Kaepernick's biggest supporters on here. I was quite happy when the 49ers drafted him, quite happy to see him succeed early. I certainly wasn't shedding tears when he he replaced Alex. I thought that he had all the upside in the world and as long as he kept working hard and focusing on the minutiae of quarterbacking, he'd be great.


But at a certain point, you just accept that a guy is who he is and he isn't going to improve. Kaepernick's weaknesses are the exact same now as they were when he was entering the draft. He hasn't really done anything to improve on them, and I came to the conclusion that he's just never going to put the necessary effort in to be a top NFL QB, which he has the potential to be, but he has seemingly been more focused on improving the physical side of his game, not so much the mental side or his mechanics.


He had a lot of success early and I guess he figured he was good enough that he didn't have to put the extra effort into that stuff.

Many of us can co-sign this. Some of us saw the writing on the wall sooner than others, you know those of us called racists and haters. I would be curious if it was lack of aptitude or lack of effort than caused him not to fix his flaws. I tried to learn how to play the piano once, I could have practiced 24-7 for years and still been at beginner level, I think it is the same thing with Kap trying to be an NFL QB. He said "Screw this, I don't get it, I will just go lift weights."

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by BuZzB05:
I undy ur bold the point about injured to Qb's only matter. Ur right. If Kap does work hard for successfully and earned the wins games for playoff and Championship but kap cant beat the Seahawks then no excuse.. .. If Kap can beat for Seahawks and Cardinals for often then i will respectful to kap was injured his quarterback. Then i want kap stay for us the years.. feeling me?

Kaep has beaten the Cards several times, actually. He has also played well against them in his career. He had one bad game against them. Go back and look at his games against the Cards and report back to me.

As I said. Kaep had 3 injuries this year. Are you denying that? Are you denying that they had no affect on his play? As I said, Kaep's injuries do not matter. But let another QB get injured and out come the excuses.

Now you are quoting and picking apart a guy who obviously hasn't been speaking English very long, are you going to start kicking puppies next?

Originally posted by sanjo49er:
so whats the market for Kap?

Don't know, but I really don't care. You don't let great talent just walk out the door for nothing. Demand no less than 2 1st and 2 2nd's to run teams off, or teams will just have to wait until his contract expires and hope we don't franchise him if he plays well this season. I know I'm in the minority about this based off the comments I'm reading, but I really don't give a damn. I have no love for our FO I think they are a bunch of immature petulant children full of hubris. But you just don't let good talent just walk out the door because they're unhappy. Don't work that way. Don't know if fans here have realized but NFL QB's are expensive commodities, and they don't grow on trees, and you can't exactly find that kind of employee on Linkedin or Indeed.

As it stands the 49ers have all the leverage and don't have to do anything. Plus, there isn't another QB on the 49ers roster with his talent nor resume. Even with the bad season Kaep remains our best option for Chips offense. The best thing the 49ers should do is make Kaep play out his contract, draft a QB with our first pick, and let him sit behind Kaep for a season (or Kaep and Gabbert). This is the best play for the team because it allows the team to groom a top talent without having to force a rookie into action.

But by no means should we trade Kaep, no matter how disgruntled. IMHO

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Don't know, but I really don't care. You don't let great talent just walk out the door for nothing. Demand no less than 2 1st and 2 2nd's to run teams off, or teams will just have to wait until his contract expires and hope we don't franchise him if he plays well this season.

Originally posted by Blindfury:
Just like the reports that the players backed Kaep when he became the starter? Winning cures all. Just wait till your buddy Gabbert continues to lose, you think he will have a vocal group? The same group that wishes they had him in Jacksonville?

Yeah that didn't last. Crabtree couldn't wait to put Kaepernick on blast just as soon as he got to Oakland. Vernon obviously wasn't happy with him going back a long ways. Gore couldn't stop talking up Luck in comparison once he got to Indy.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Honestly have to say I never liked him. Thought he was overrated from the get go. The defense carried him the first year, he had the one good game against the Pats, and two good games against the Pack but got his ass kicked constantly by the Seahawks and was never much better than .500 against the other teams in the division. The idea that he was somehow better before the league's defenses "exposed his flaws" has always seemed like a peculiar argument to me. If his flaws were exposed then it stands to reason that they existed in his game all along and when measured by that metric I'm not sure how it can be argued that he was ever any good at all. He had some good games obviously but in the end he lost most of the games that really mattered. If it's true that he wants to be traded than all I can say is good riddance.

So once again good games = carried. Bad games = he lost, got his ass kicked. Got ya.

How many good games have 9er QB's played in the last 10 years?

Yea, one good game..lol

You know who beat and still beats Seadderall?

That's right, Alex. Because he respects and utilizes the short passing game, he can beat the pass rush and get underneath their secondary.

Kaepernick tried to play them like they were any other team. Sit in the pocket waiting for these long passes to open up. Run if it doesn't. He can't pass short worth a damn, and passing short and handing off the ball to Frank was how we consistently beat Seadderall until Kaepernick was anointed the starter.

Originally posted by Buchy:

See this is the kind of issue I have with the team right now regarding your point on intangible factors. Play wise, Kap has struggled for a couple of seasons and I largely believe it's because Geep Chryst is an inept QB coach and Kap has had Harbaugh as his first head coach who was not a technician, he believed that will alone was enough to win etc.


Leaving that aside though, let's get on to the intangibles. Who has leaked all these intangible stories? Who has now leaked the trade rumour? What is their agenda? It looks a lot like a personal grudge to me from someone in the front office but look at what that does to the franchise as a whole.

This is a f**king embarrassing and unprofessional situation. We have our GM and HC standing in front of the press saying that Kap is very much in their plans and part of the team. Now how much truth you want to put into that is up to you, but the point is they are relaying a consistent message and not revealing the team's plans. Now some moron leaks a story that makes them look like total idiots. The source I have seen cited is someone from the organisation who does not have the authority to go on record - that person should be found and fired because they do not have the organisation's interests at heart.


Look at what that guy has done to the franchise? The a*****e has essentially weakened our negotiating position in any trade and our draft position. Almost everyone on here is blasting Kap, I'll be very disappointed if he does want a trade and moves on because I think he has massive potential, but I am incredibly pissed off at a front office moron who seems to harbor a personal grudge against a player, has set out to disparage him through innuendo, leaks and unverifiable gossip and in doing so has made the team look incompetent and has seriously damaged the organisations strength in the draft and negotiation.

1st of all Kap and his agents leaked the trade request. 2nd, their requesting a trade doesnt affecr Baalkes leverage as all. There is no grudge, there is a ton of guesses being reported as fact that whiney 49ers can't consume fast enough.

Personally i think the request looks bad on Kap. I believe Kap is whooped and can't stand the thought of his girl possibly getting smashed by a Giants, Jets or Bills player. I think Kap is being very selfish and it's a bad look. s**t happenfs suck it up like a real man and move forward.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by BuZzB05:

I undy ur bold the point about injured to Qb's only matter. Ur right. If Kap does work hard for successfully and earned the wins games for playoff and Championship but kap cant beat the Seahawks then no excuse.. .. If Kap can beat for Seahawks and Cardinals for often then i will respectful to kap was injured his quarterback. Then i want kap stay for us the years.. feeling me?

Kaep has beaten the Cards several times, actually. He has also played well against them in his career. He had one bad game against them. Go back and look at his games against the Cards and report back to me.

As I said. Kaep had 3 injuries this year. Are you denying that? Are you denying that they had no affect on his play? As I said, Kaep's injuries do not matter. But let another QB get injured and out come the excuses.

Kap did beat the Cardinals for 7 times. Yep we had a great defense that we beat them cuz Cardinals defense was process time yet. Now we are not a great defense then kap can win but he cant. Cardinals was pretty good defense than few years ago. Cardinals did beat to kap for two times at 2015.


I am not denying. I want true with everything my exactly cuz i know about football. I know about win games and football that it is easy for me.