Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
I don't want to have to "cover up" his weaknesses, like Harbaugh's system and Kelly's system. I want him to fix his issues and and be able to operate at a high level in any system with any personnel.

Every QB has weaknesses. Name a QB and I'll point you to his weaknesses. It's up to the coaching staff to develop a scheme and gameplan that best uses his skills. Last complete QB we had was Steve Young and even he had weaknesses earlier in this career.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

If the 49ers don't atleast Try Kap in Chips SYSTEm, they are FLAT OUT CRAZY DUMB!

Teams are already tripping out on the Potential!! "Freddy Kruger Scary"

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/rival-dc-kap-freddy-krueger-scary-kellys-offense?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

I don't want to have to "cover up" his weaknesses, like Harbaugh's system and Kelly's system. I want him to fix his issues and and be able to operate at a high level in any system with any personnel.

+1

If he wants to be an NFL qb, stop the BS.

Spin it how you want but this is fact. Per espn:
" Speaking of "What have you done for me lately?" recency bias brings us to San Francisco, where in just 21 months, Colin Kaepernick went from being one pass away from back-to-back Super Bowl trips as recently as January 2014 all the way to benched for Blaine Gabbert. And then Gabbert outplayed him. You can spin a narrative where Kaepernick emerged with a great running game, a dominant defense and an incredible head coach running an unfamiliar zone-read scheme in 2012 and then slowly saw his talents fade like he was living out a football "Flowers for Algernon."

Again, though, you can't just write off the past as totally irrelevant. The idea that teams somehow discovered Kaepernick's fatal flaws on film like he was a pitcher tipping his curveball is absurd and doesn't match up with how defenses actually attack quarterbacks. If Kaepernick was a ticking time bomb waiting to be found out by a smart enough coach, he wouldn't have flummoxed Belichick in December of 2012, or nearly beaten the Ravens when they had two weeks to break him down before the Super Bowl, or stomped on the Packers after an entire offseason of tape in Week 1 of 2013.

Defenses did grow more comfortable in attacking the read-option, and it's unlikely that Kaepernick will ever again run roughshod over a defense like he did when he annihilated the Packers in the 2012 playoffs, but the Chiefs, Seahawks and Panthers all manage to incorporate the zone-read into their offenses right now, and they're doing just fine.

.... It's also bizarre to suggest that Kaepernick was unplayable in 2014. He did take a step backward from where he had been in the previous two years, but he was a totally justifiable choice at quarterback. He finished 15th in Total QBR, which includes his considerable value as a runner, with a figure of 60.0. That mark wasn't subject to a second-half decline, either; Kaepernick was actually 11th in Total QBR (at 62.2) over the final eight weeks of the year."

The 49ers Knew and Understood before they Drafted Kaep that he was a Major Project and would take a while to develop. It doesn't help when the Offensive line goes by the wayside. But A Lot of it falls on Kaep. He needed to do more classroom stuff which he clearly failed to do. And going to Phoenix and having Giles and Kurt Warner ruin his delivery was awful. And the choice of Tomsula as a successor to Harbaugh was an absolute JOKE! The 49ers needed to baby Kaep more by protecting him via OLINE/Strong defense, the way they did in 2012 and 2013.

Kaep will never be a cerebral QB upstairs, it is what it is. Lets not act like at age 29 he's all the sudden gonna blink upstairs BUT and I say BUT, Kaep is so gifted athletically that in a system like Chip Kelly's system with simplified reads, there is a Huge Potential Turn around Status for Kaep and I hope the 49ers at least give him the chance to win the job in Camp/Preseason before they sign off on a Kaep Trade/release.

If it was another coach besides Chip Kelly hired then I would be leaning toward a trade but since it is Chip Kelly then they should see how he fits in the system.

Sdaddy- did Gab really out play him?

I am not sure.

He "looked" more comfortable at times.

Didn't really translate into wins - which trumps "looks"

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
I don't want to have to "cover up" his weaknesses, like Harbaugh's system and Kelly's system. I want him to fix his issues and and be able to operate at a high level in any system with any personnel.

Every QB has weaknesses. Name a QB and I'll point you to his weaknesses. It's up to the coaching staff to develop a scheme and gameplan that best uses his skills. Last complete QB we had was Steve Young and even he had weaknesses earlier in this career.

And he sat on the bench and learned how to be a QB and not be a RB who could throw. At which point he became a HOF legend.

This isn't the NBA where you can have one star and four other guys just eating up space on the court. You don't build an offense around one guy. You have an offensive scheme and find players who fit in that offense.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
And he sat on the bench and learned how to be a QB and not be a RB who could throw. At which point he became a HOF legend.

Not every QB gets that much time to sit on the bench and learn.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
And he sat on the bench and learned how to be a QB and not be a RB who could throw. At which point he became a HOF legend.

Not every QB gets that much time to sit on the bench and learn.

You're missing the point. Steve learned how to be a QB, not a RB who could throw. That's what I want to see from Kap. If he focuses on fundamentals and mechanics instead of brushing them off as not important, he could be a great QB, even HOF worthy... not just a good QB when he has a great team around him.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

I don't want to have to "cover up" his weaknesses, like Harbaugh's system and Kelly's system. I want him to fix his issues and and be able to operate at a high level in any system with any personnel.

Every QB has weaknesses. Name a QB and I'll point you to his weaknesses. It's up to the coaching staff to develop a scheme and gameplan that best uses his skills. Last complete QB we had was Steve Young and even he had weaknesses earlier in this career.

And he sat on the bench and learned how to be a QB and not be a RB who could throw. At which point he became a HOF legend.

This isn't the NBA where you can have one star and four other guys just eating up space on the court. You don't build an offense around one guy. You have an offensive scheme and find players who fit in that offense.

Kelly's system is a scheme so wouldn't it be best to have a QB that fit his scheme best rather than someone who might be better overall in every type of scheme? Maybe I misunderstood your point about Kelly's system.

Total QBR
http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

30th: Gabbert: 42.6

26th: Kaepernick: 47.6

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
You're missing the point. Steve learned how to be a QB, not a RB who could throw. That's what I want to see from Kap. If he focuses on fundamentals and mechanics instead of brushing them off as not important, he could be a great QB, even HOF worthy... not just a good QB when he has a great team around him.

Did Steve learn all by his lonesome or did he actually have HOF talent around him and HOF level coaching. Don't be ridiculous. Steve was the better QB for sure but you conveniently deny the amount of people involved that helped him.

You want to see Kaep learn how to be a QB from who exactly? Jim Tomsula and Geep Chryst? You're highly unreasonable.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
I don't want to have to "cover up" his weaknesses, like Harbaugh's system and Kelly's system. I want him to fix his issues and and be able to operate at a high level in any system with any personnel.

Every QB has weaknesses. Name a QB and I'll point you to his weaknesses. It's up to the coaching staff to develop a scheme and gameplan that best uses his skills. Last complete QB we had was Steve Young and even he had weaknesses earlier in this career.

And he sat on the bench and learned how to be a QB and not be a RB who could throw. At which point he became a HOF legend.

This isn't the NBA where you can have one star and four other guys just eating up space on the court. You don't build an offense around one guy. You have an offensive scheme and find players who fit in that offense.

Kelly's system is a scheme so wouldn't it be best to have a QB that fit his scheme best rather than someone who might be better overall in every type of scheme? Maybe I misunderstood your point about Kelly's system.

The only "fit" with Kap is being able to run the zone read. Kelly's passing scheme isn't a one read scheme. His WRs don't even have set distances on their routes. They don't make their cuts until the DB turns his hips. That means Kap has to be able to see the whole field and make constant reads. He has to know coverages, look off safeties, throw with anticipation, and be able to work the pocket for as long as the WRs are waiting for the DBs to turn their hips.

My only fear is we're going to be running a simplified offense again with Kap at the helm, consisting of zone read and designed rollouts every other play.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
You're missing the point. Steve learned how to be a QB, not a RB who could throw. That's what I want to see from Kap. If he focuses on fundamentals and mechanics instead of brushing them off as not important, he could be a great QB, even HOF worthy... not just a good QB when he has a great team around him.

Did Steve learn all by his lonesome or did he actually have HOF talent around him and HOF level coaching. Don't be ridiculous. Steve was the better QB for sure but you conveniently deny the amount of people involved that helped him.

You want to see Kaep learn how to be a QB from who exactly? Jim Tomsula and Geep Chryst? You're highly unreasonable.

How is it unreasonable to want a QB to learn basic fundamentals and mechanics? He was coached by a former QB.

I've watched enough of Kap to know he's not the answer at QB. Let's stop trying to fit this square peg into this round hole. Kap can not consistently win games with his ARM. The next time Kap lead us on a scoring drive in the last two minutes of a half when we are down will be his first.

I want to draft a QB with the 7th pick and let him sit for a year or two before we turn into the Houston Texans. The Texas passed on Bridgewater, now they will have to over pay to get a good QB in the draft.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

I don't want to have to "cover up" his weaknesses, like Harbaugh's system and Kelly's system. I want him to fix his issues and and be able to operate at a high level in any system with any personnel.

Every QB has weaknesses. Name a QB and I'll point you to his weaknesses. It's up to the coaching staff to develop a scheme and gameplan that best uses his skills. Last complete QB we had was Steve Young and even he had weaknesses earlier in this career.

And he sat on the bench and learned how to be a QB and not be a RB who could throw. At which point he became a HOF legend.

This isn't the NBA where you can have one star and four other guys just eating up space on the court. You don't build an offense around one guy. You have an offensive scheme and find players who fit in that offense.

Kelly's system is a scheme so wouldn't it be best to have a QB that fit his scheme best rather than someone who might be better overall in every type of scheme? Maybe I misunderstood your point about Kelly's system.

The only "fit" with Kap is being able to run the zone read. Kelly's passing scheme isn't a one read scheme. His WRs don't even have set distances on their routes. They don't make their cuts until the DB turns his hips. That means Kap has to be able to see the whole field and make constant reads. He has to know coverages, look off safeties, throw with anticipation, and be able to work the pocket for as long as the WRs are waiting for the DBs to turn their hips.

My only fear is we're going to be running a simplified offense again with Kap at the helm, consisting of zone read and designed rollouts every other play.

Kelly isn't going to simplify his offense for anyone and I don't believe Geep had a more complex offense than what we saw last year.
Kaep might not be a fit, hopefully Kelly gets to choose who he wants to start and whether or not a QB gets drafted and which QB that will be regardless of the pick used to get him.