Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Damnit. You didn't alert me to your nonsense with bold this time.

"Anti Kap". "Pro Kap". Thats all BS.

I am "Pro 49ers". I am not invested in ANY player one way or the other unless it makes the team WIN. Thats it. I don't have an agenda as you so clearly do. All the people you refer to as "Pro Kap" are saying is that they are curious to see what Chip could do with him. Why is that so controversial? Is that simply too complicated?

If Chip ain't interested, no worries. Lets see who he likes.

All this other bold, attention starved BS you keep posting is just more drunk guy in a bar talk. I'm not chasing you around responding to you because I'm obsessed with not liking you. I'm responding because I post when I see nonsense and I call it nonsense. Just so happens those posts tend to be from you.

Why you have such problems with my posts then and went as far as to call me a loud mouth drunk from the bar multiple times? Tell us why you needed to go there?

You should be ban or at least given a warning for the the constant personal attacks with the drunk from the bar nonsense (oh I have reported you also, and will continue to do so until you are warned or banned). Or you can ignore all of my posts all together since you think so little of it LOL (which I doubt because you have such problem with my posts, it's clearly evident with the personal attacks and insults).

Time to move on guys. If you don't like each other, just don't read the other's posts.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
If Kap was carried by the defense in 2012 then we would have already won #6. I'm pretty sure Kap didn't fumble or pick-6 the Ravens 34 pts.

This narrative needs to end. But it won't because the anti-Kap people need some way to rationalize what happened in 2012.

And that is the flat-out truth. I don't know why it's so hard for some fans to grasp. Nobody wins a Super Bowl when they allow the other team to score 34 points. Nobody in 50 years. And over 96% of the time, if you score 31, you win. The 2012 defense started to collapse when Justin Smith injured his shoulder and then it just got worse when Aldon Smith also was injured. There was little or no pass rush and teams started scoring lots of points all through the playoffs. That's what happened, people. There's no need to pretend it didn't happen.

Originally posted by crake49:

And that is the flat-out truth. I don't know why it's so hard for some fans to grasp. Nobody wins a Super Bowl when they allow the other team to score 34 points. Nobody in 50 years. And over 96% of the time, if you score 31, you win. The 2012 defense started to collapse when Justin Smith injured his shoulder and then it just got worse when Aldon Smith also was injured. There was little or no pass rush and teams started scoring lots of points all through the playoffs. That's what happened, people. There's no need to pretend it didn't happen.

I'll just add that harbs road our vets hard...not a ton of development of the rookies IMO, would have been nice to have Justin smith not 900+ snaps deep come playoff time lol.

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Damnit. You didn't alert me to your nonsense with bold this time.

"Anti Kap". "Pro Kap". Thats all BS.

I am "Pro 49ers". I am not invested in ANY player one way or the other unless it makes the team WIN. Thats it. I don't have an agenda as you so clearly do. All the people you refer to as "Pro Kap" are saying is that they are curious to see what Chip could do with him. Why is that so controversial? Is that simply too complicated?

If Chip ain't interested, no worries. Lets see who he likes.

All this other bold, attention starved BS you keep posting is just more drunk guy in a bar talk. I'm not chasing you around responding to you because I'm obsessed with not liking you. I'm responding because I post when I see nonsense and I call it nonsense. Just so happens those posts tend to be from you.

Why you have such problems with my posts then and went as far as to call me a loud mouth drunk from the bar multiple times? Tell us why you needed to go there?

You should be ban or at least given a warning for the the constant personal attacks with the drunk from the bar nonsense (oh I have reported you also, and will continue to do so until you are warned or banned). Or you can ignore all of my posts all together since you think so little of it LOL (which I doubt because you have such problem with my posts, it's clearly evident with the personal attacks and insults).

Methinks yer skin might be just a tad thin. Moving on.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
If Kap was carried by the defense in 2012 then we would have already won #6. I'm pretty sure Kap didn't fumble or pick-6 the Ravens 34 pts.

This narrative needs to end. But it won't because the anti-Kap people need some way to rationalize what happened in 2012.

It's so tired and this act that he hasn't been good since 2012 also needs to end. So true.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Gabbert never had any good coaching or supporting cast around him, as a starter. Kap did, and was regressing with Harbaugh. People had high expectations of Kap to take the next steps in his career the last 2 years and we didn't see it. Now, one can argue that Tomsula & Co. did nothing to help him, which is true. So we'll see what Chip can do.

I thought Kap needed to develop into the classic pocket passer, but I'm changing my stance on that. The future of the NFL seems to not be going that way. He just needs a much better Oline to accurately judge him. That Oline was complete trash.

If you didn't see any progress from Kaep in 2014 I don't know what to say. He looked really good in the 1st half of the season. He had a top 10 QB rating and there was plenty of discussion that he was better or at least even with Russ and better than Cam. Then the 2nd half of the season came and Kaep had some bad games along with the TEAM, and that was it. What has Kaep shown me? He can't overcome a poor scheme, predictable coaching and a weak gameplan, not to mention a bad line. The line was falling apart that year and Kaep's development was thwarted.

In addition, that's nice that you and many others want him to be a pocket passer. That IMO is why he has struggled the most. He has been turned into something he is not at this present time. How do teams beat Russ? They try to keep him in the pocket. Cam? Same thing...take away their scrambling ability. Neither of these guys are pure pocket passers. But their coaching staff is intelligent enough to play to their strengths and utilize their legs. This is the same staff that never even let the previous QB run.

Then add Tomsula and Chryst who will NEVER be HC/OC again and here we are. Kaep has had the equivalent of 1 bad season. Burn him!

Kap failed 2013. I remember many posters here, I was still banned at the time reading people saying harbaugh had become the problem as well as our OC.. People blamed harbaugh and CO. In 2014 for kaps regression and our 8-8 season. We hire tomsula and everyone spins it like they never wanted harbaugh gone. It's a bull sh*t take. Now in 2015 kap was beyond awful, awful enough to get benched for the already awful gabbert. Everyone blamed tomsula and said we should kept harbaugh. Ok! Hypocritical but ill go with it.

But everyone and there mother has said chip Kelley is and was the best possible outcome for kapernick in terms to resurrecting his career. So if kaepernick sucks again this year, and these same posters will find new ways to blame everything on chip, I may just lose it lmao. I can't wait for this season, either to be proved right, or to be proved wrong. Either way, it's a win win for me. But if kap fails hard in chip Kelley's system, there should honestly be some bans of some posters in here. Then again, they are so involved into kap personally that I think if he fails and we get rid of him they will go with him so a ban won't even be needed

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'll just add that harbs road our vets hard...not a ton of development of the rookies IMO, would have been nice to have Justin smith not 900+ snaps deep come playoff time lol.

Right. I think Fangio had something to do with that as well. He was notoriously slow to work the new guys in.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BobS:
I really don't think a lot of Kap fans get it. I believe it was a couple pages back where someone posted "What are the haters going to do if the "Old Kap" comes back?" That statement in itself shows a lack of awareness of what happened. Kap never really regressed in his abilities or lack there of, his productivity regressed, as defenses adjusted to take away his strengths while he did not improve on his weaknesses. If you look at scouting reports on him coming out of college they look like they could have been written in 2015. "Old Kap" is just going to get you further decline as defenses took away things he did well, he appears to even be beaten down mentally, the only thing that will turn around the productivity decline is a "New Kap" that improves on his weaknesses. I don't understand the blind support this guy gets. I ask any Kap fan to do one thing next year if he plays for the 49ers, watch his head when he drops back to pass until he releases the ball, only focus on that, then watch Russell Wilson. That is the big thing I noticed way back in 2012, he doesn't look around like most other QBs, especially when under pressure. For those that have never worn a football helmet it obstructs peripheral vision quite a bit so you have to move your head around to see the whole field, not just your eyes.

What is a Kaep fan?
Someone who thinks he has the best chance to be the best qb on the current roster?
Someone who appreciates what Kaepernick has done for the 49ers?
Someone who would like to see Kaepernick succeed as a 49er?

You throw that term around in most of your posts and you complain a lot about thesed unnamed people. Why not just call people out specifically? You probably consider me to be a Kaepnerick fan but most of what you attribute to Kaepernick fans doesn't apply to me.
I say this because that kind of affects the credibilty of your posts and that is a shame.

A Kap fan is someone who exaggerates his strengths and accomplishments while down playing or making excuses for his weaknesses and failures. I think the best thing to equate them to is someone campaigning for a political candidate. When Kap was benched for Gabbert most of them became quiet, when Gabbert had good games they stayed quiet, when Gabbert had bad games they became re-energized and reappeared. They also seem to react with joy when any upper level QB has a bad game. They make posts that are contradictory and irrational, holding everyone else to a higher standard than Kaepernick and then staying silent when someone calls them on their BS. As an example many claim Kaepernick's 86 rating in 2014 was decent, yet QBs putting up 90's in play-off games this year are called chokers. Back when Wilson and Kap had identical numbers they were calling Kap elite and Wilson trash. They root for every QB not named Kaepernick to fail, even if it is Gabbert.

I am a member of another site for Redskin fans and a site where various sports are discussed, that and 20 years of being on the internet I have never encountered anything like the Kap fan, it is like a cult following to me. On the Redskin site I did not see people supporting RG3 on his down slide mentioning things like "Robert might have had 2 picks and a fumble lost today, but Peyton Manning had 3 picks and a fumble." It boggles the mind.

Am I a Kaep fan? I never once called Wilson trash so if you consider me a Kaep fan you are contradicting yourself. I don't root for Gabbert to fail. I am a fan of Alex Smith.
You spend so much time whining about JKaep fans it really takes away from anything interesting you may have to say about the 49ers. It makes you come off like a one trick pony.
I do recall you mentioning that you are a Redskins fan as well.

I am not singling anyone out, I don't have a good enough memory to remember who said what. Everything I posted about Kap fans in general has been spewed by many of them. And yes I adopted the Redskins as my second favorite team (first time having a second favorite team) since I moved to Central Virginia, and truthfully I wish the Redskin forum was as active as this one. I don't see anyone calling people losers, racists, telling them to get a life, etc,etc just because they have a difference of opinion. They don't call players p*ssies or vaginas there either. I wonder why that is?

Wow. Marvin made an appearance in the Kap thread. thl gonna lock this thread again.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'll just add that harbs road our vets hard...not a ton of development of the rookies IMO, would have been nice to have Justin smith not 900+ snaps deep come playoff time lol.

Right. I think Fangio had something to do with that as well. He was notoriously slow to work the new guys in.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the reason for Baalke and harbs bumping heads

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:
Rooting for Kap now makes no sense. Kap couldn't even beat Seattle under Harb and being carried by a top Defense, forget about winning the division. Is a Philly rejected in Kelly, more rejects on the coaching staff, weak o-line, young defense, a GM that stop believing in Kap, coming off injuries, etc etc etc etc, going to help him or make him a better QB...

Kap is a lost cause, the 49ers is in rebuilt mode and Kap shouldn't even be in and is useless to that equation.

Kap is better off packing his bags and running off to the Texans, where he can be carried by another defense

Bottomline, Kap is not helping himself or his NFL career staying with the 49ers; and the 49ers aren't helping themselves by keeping Kap any longer as the 49ers is in full rebuilt mode; and Kap needs to go else where in order to have a chance to revive his career, it's not going to be with the 49ers

Originally posted by crake49:
posters responding to themselves!

Lol...that explains everything

That's why we cannot keep this thread open

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Wow. Marvin made an appearance in the Kap thread. thl gonna lock this thread again.

um...wha?

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Wow. Marvin made an appearance in the Kap thread. thl gonna lock this thread again.

um...wha?

You know it's bad when Marvin shows up to drop knowledge.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
If Kap was carried by the defense in 2012 then we would have already won #6. I'm pretty sure Kap didn't fumble or pick-6 the Ravens 34 pts.

This narrative needs to end. But it won't because the anti-Kap people need some way to rationalize what happened in 2012.

It's so tired and this act that he hasn't been good since 2012 also needs to end. So true.

Do you think he was good last year?