Colin Kaepernick Thread

Anyone else watch the NFC Championship game and think to themselves that we should of been running the same concept with Kap? Sucks that they tried to make him something that he will never be, a pure pocket passer. I'm curious if he's on the roster next year if he can get back to the Kap of old in Kelly's offense or if he's to far gone mentally.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mojave45:

No. Kaep numbers were falling off last year as well. No matter how you slice it, his numbers go down, not up. And really who gives a crap what another QB looks like under pressure? But I will say this, Brady never looked like a stumbling moron who couldn't see wide receivers waving their arms, wide open. Even under pressure.

How were his numbers falling off last year? That's not true at all

http://www.nfl.com/player/colinkaepernick/2495186/careerstats

His stats were almost identical from 2013 to 2014 throwing for more yards and throwing 2 more INTs. That's hardly a drop off.

He doesn't need to be the MVP of the league to put up points in chips offense.

His numbers were worse, he wasnt getting better.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

His best bet is to go and do what he did early in his career. Throw darts and dont worry about throwing with touch.

A good way to ensure failure in a short, quick passing offense.

Kap will be playing like Newton next season

I see there are the usual malcontents, trolls and those of questionably judgement returning to this post to continue their myopic assault on Kaepernick for absolutely everything they can think of with no basis in fact or reality.

Anyway, most of us who believe Kap should get another chance are not claiming he is better than Newton, only that he had very similar potential. The difference in the two comes down to coaching and situation, something that has favoured Cam significantly, although he has rightly worked hard.

I'm tired of reading the same self propagating crap from a number of posters about 2 years worth of regression and yada yada... while they ignore absolutely everything related to circumstance. What is hysterical, and indicative of the stupidity of those posters, is the development of Cam due to his environment. Newton was slated last year when he was discussed, with questions over his maturity, intelligence, work ethic and ability but the Panthers stuck with him and showed faith. They invested in his OLine and weapons (most of who were injured this year) and the result is that they are now going to the SB.

Meanwhile, a vocal element of Niner fans with an inability to consider circumstance, are busy accusing Kap of all those baseless attributes Newton was accused of. They ignore the 2014 OLine problems (Marcus and Jonathan Martin) and lack of offensive weapons, with bad play calling, and blame Kap for an 8-8 injury plagued season.

They cite 2015 as a year of horrible regression, but not one of them ever addresses why we tried to force Kap to be a pocket passer behind the worst Oline in football in Pears, Devey and Martin. There is an inability to process the fact that to become a pocket passer, you first need a pocket to pass from. Lo and behold the OLine Cam works behind.
Those same posters, with an inability to process information, don't seem to question why it was that as soon as Kap was benched the oline was changed out and the offensive scheme switched massively to roll outs and play action - because it had been demonstrated that the Oline could not form a pocket - and never question why the scheme was changed so much for Gabbert, who is not a pocket passer, and why he was not tasked with standing behind that same oline for the majority of his pass plays.

If you doubt the accuracy of my argument, how did Tom Brady look in the AFCCG when his line could not stop the Denver pass rush.... Brady is a great QB, he has a fast release and he's battle tested and experienced, but he looked average to poor behind an OLine that struggled.



The argument has always been that Kap needed time and the right situation to develop, something the Panthers gave to Newton and have been rewarded for.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

His best bet is to go and do what he did early in his career. Throw darts and dont worry about throwing with touch.

A good way to ensure failure in a short, quick passing offense.

Yup

Personality Type... Kaep needs stability, repetition, and a form of success. He will feed of it and develope. At the same time lack of trust will put him in a shell. I think CHIPS Offense can get him the jump start he needs.

Originally posted by Buchy:
I see there are the usual malcontents, trolls and those of questionably judgement returning to this post to continue their myopic assault on Kaepernick for absolutely everything they can think of with no basis in fact or reality.

Anyway, most of us who believe Kap should get another chance are not claiming he is better than Newton, only that he had very similar potential. The difference in the two comes down to coaching and situation, something that has favoured Cam significantly, although he has rightly worked hard.

I'm tired of reading the same self propagating crap from a number of posters about 2 years worth of regression and yada yada... while they ignore absolutely everything related to circumstance. What is hysterical, and indicative of the stupidity of those posters, is the development of Cam due to his environment. Newton was slated last year when he was discussed, with questions over his maturity, intelligence, work ethic and ability but the Panthers stuck with him and showed faith. They invested in his OLine and weapons (most of who were injured this year) and the result is that they are now going to the SB.

Meanwhile, a vocal element of Niner fans with an inability to consider circumstance, are busy accusing Kap of all those baseless attributes Newton was accused of. They ignore the 2014 OLine problems (Marcus and Jonathan Martin) and lack of offensive weapons, with bad play calling, and blame Kap for an 8-8 injury plagued season.

They cite 2015 as a year of horrible regression, but not one of them ever addresses why we tried to force Kap to be a pocket passer behind the worst Oline in football in Pears, Devey and Martin. There is an inability to process the fact that to become a pocket passer, you first need a pocket to pass from. Lo and behold the OLine Cam works behind.
Those same posters, with an inability to process information, don't seem to question why it was that as soon as Kap was benched the oline was changed out and the offensive scheme switched massively to roll outs and play action - because it had been demonstrated that the Oline could not form a pocket - and never question why the scheme was changed so much for Gabbert, who is not a pocket passer, and why he was not tasked with standing behind that same oline for the majority of his pass plays.

If you doubt the accuracy of my argument, how did Tom Brady look in the AFCCG when his line could not stop the Denver pass rush.... Brady is a great QB, he has a fast release and he's battle tested and experienced, but he looked average to poor behind an OLine that struggled.



The argument has always been that Kap needed time and the right situation to develop, something the Panthers gave to Newton and have been rewarded for.

He can get his Last Chance from the 49ers in 2016, even then he will still fail. People like you don't understand or want to acknowledge the truth that once the 49ers FO (York, Baalke) decided to fired Harb, Kap's day as a 49ers was numbered

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Kap will be playing like Newton next season

Hopefully on another team

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by sevenup3000:
LOL at the ignorance and lack of perspective on this board. As a Panthers' fan and someone who has been an active member of several Carolina boards:

I promise you that when Kap was leading the 49ers to a Superbowl few years ago....I promise you that the same exact things you guys are saying about Kap (he will never be as good as Cam, Cam is so much further mentally, Cam is a much better throw, etc,) was the exact same thing that the CarolinaHuddle was saying about Cam that year.

Kap's Superbowl year was Newton's second year too. That the year that Carolina had a ton of expectations and then the team fell short. In addition, Newton's overall numbers went down (but is efficiency increased) and Ron Rivera was about 2 games from being fired. In addition, Cam was losing his OC and Shula, an historically awful OC, was being promoted.

I really wish people on this forum would go to the CarolinaHuddle and search from the time period that Kap was in the Superbowl. I promise you will see the EXACT same nonsense about Carolina needing to ditch Newton because he was never be a Kap, and was a loser who lived off of his athletic ability and would never master the mental aspect of the game.

Welp. Now 49ers are claiming the same.

Great post, i was thinking the same exact thing. Alll this stuff people are saying about Kap, you can go back 6 months and find the same exact criticisms for Cam.

You can certainly go back 6 months. But if you go back to the time when Kaepernick was playing in the Superbowl, and Newton was sitting at home for the second straight year after having a "sub par" second year as compared to his first season, you would mistake the Huddle for the Webzone.

The Huddle literally thought that Defensive Coordinators had Newton figured out and that he was destined to be out of the league in 2-3 years. You had folks on the Huddle, literally arguing about how Tim Tebow was a better QB, and was depressed that Luck stayed in Stanford instead of declaring for the Draft.

But gotta love the revisionist history.

The same moronic comments about Kap being a cancer, loser, rb playing the QB position, not a leader, and will never get better...was being said about Newton. And do you know who was being held up as the comparison in order to try and belittle Newton: Colin Kaepernick, QB, 49ers.

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

He can get his Last Chance from the 49ers in 2016, even then he will still fail. People like you don't understand or want to acknowledge the truth that once the 49ers FO (York, Baalke) decided to fired Harb, Kap's day as a 49ers was numbered

It boggles my mind that some of you actively root for guys on our roster to fail. I get not liking certain players. That's fine. But as a fan of the TEAM, shouldn't you guys be hoping that player takes that next step forward and succeed for the better of the team?

Originally posted by titan:
Personality Type... Kaep needs stability, repetition, and a form of success. He will feed of it and develope. At the same time lack of trust will put him in a shell. I think CHIPS Offense can get him the jump start he needs.

LOL... Chip doesn't care about Kap. If they keep Kap, play Kap and Kap still can't win, for example beat Seattle, Kap is done regardless. Obviously, the die hard Kap fans still wants to see Kap bounce back, to beat Seattle in Seattle, doesn't mean Kap will or can

I love how if you are not a Kaep supporter we are stupid and ignore all of the issues. But if you are a Kaep supporter you blame the OL, the WR's, the coaches, the defense, the media, the temperature, the phase of the moon... But if all of those things would just change in his favor, he will get better!

Oh and Gabbert=Derek Anderson. But at least the idiots on the Huddle who were calling for Anderson to start over Newton could rely on the fact that Anderson was a Pro Bowler in Chud's system.

Gabbert, on the other had...

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

His numbers were worse, he wasnt getting better.

So throwing for more yards and throwing two more INTs equals worse...dude give it a rest. You don't like him we get it. I'm not saying he's the long term answer but IMO he's our best option this year. Yes better than Blaine.