Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by crake49:
I think Newton has turned into a superstar. He's the league MVP. What people seem to be missing about him is most of his production comes from the pocket - he's a real good QB who is also a terror when he runs. I don't see how anyone could deny any of that. And I think he's a good guy - I used to think he was a dick, but the more I watch him, I think it's just joy - that giving the ball to kids is real hard not to like for me.

What I don't understand is why Niner fans need to pretend that Kaepernick "can't hit the broad side of a barn" or is "mentally soft" or "can't get past his first read" or "he has NO touch" or what the hell ever else you want to pile on with the negative hyperbole. Give it a rest for a while. We get it. Some of you have this unbelievable hard spot for Kaepernick. IMO, it's almost pathological with some of you. I really don't get it. Some of the fans around here continue to act like jilted lovers or something. I'm not arguing for Kaepernick here - IMO, he may rebound and come back strong, he may get shipped off to another team or he may attempt to come back and face plant. We'll see. The safe bet is failure, but we'll see.

Exactly both are still young and immature, but more importantly Cam is not selfish/self centered like Kap. That right there says ALL. Who's a better QB doesn't even come before that (though Cam is better obviously), it's about the person. Kap is a Self Centered D*CK as a person, probably why Kap still sucks, because he rather live and enjoy the fame and money than work hard on improving his flaws and shortcomings as a QB to help the 49ers.

Here you go again, the example:
http://www.mrporter.com/journal/the-look/mr-colin-kaepernick/535


What's funny is this: When you use to type in Colin in google it use to pop up Colin Kaepernick on the search list, now it isn't even on the list. NO ONE CARES ABOUT HIM ANYMORE That's what happens when Kap is all about himself and he only cares about fame and money and not doing his job better, why he went 8-8 in 2014 and 2-6 in 2015 and got 2 head coaches fired back to back and on his way out of the 49ers and possibly out of the NFL.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by sacniner:

His o line is really good. And he is great. Dude is an MVP and the favorite to win the Super Bowl. A likely SB MVP candidate.

That's pretty much what Kap was minus league MVP when he played behind a brick wall.

That was over two years ago now. Seriously, does taht matter now? Yeah, we saw him have success but the regression has been so severe hard for me personally to be optimistic.

Can't put that on Kaep. Cam looked liked a bust when he didn't have his OLine. Now that he has Kalil, BLINDSIDE, and Sandra Bullock coaching the OLine, he actually has time to asses to pass or run.

Originally posted by BobS:
Another Kap fan getting excited when a top QB has a bad game. Please explain why Carson Palmer is relative to a discussion on Colin Kaepernick.

He had a horrible start to his career, matured as a QB, got a third shot in a stable organization and lit it up. But like every QB in the history of the game, he had a horrible game. Kap never had a game where he was responsible for single-handedly turning the ball over. But we want to get rid of him because he's a stupid QB (with a high Wonderlic score), a one read QB (easily debunked), and somehow "damaged" because any good QB should be able to function behind a s**tty coaching staff & a s**tty offensive line & lack of a running game. Name one successful QB with ALL of those problems. Kap was sent out there to die. The other reason I mentioned Palmer is that Kap is being judged for one game where he missed a read. It's not fair.

And please, don't jump to conclusions about my affiliation. Like the Joe and Steve controversy back in the 90's I just wanted the best QB to start.

LOL at the ignorance and lack of perspective on this board. As a Panthers' fan and someone who has been an active member of several Carolina boards:

I promise you that when Kap was leading the 49ers to a Superbowl few years ago....I promise you that the same exact things you guys are saying about Kap now (he will never be as good as Cam, Cam is so much further mentally, Cam is a much better throw, etc,) was the exact same thing that the CarolinaHuddle was saying about Cam that year.

Kap's Superbowl year was Newton's second year. At the beginning of that year Carolina had a ton of expectations, but the team had a slow start to the season and fell short of the playoffs. In addition, Newton's overall production went down (but is efficiency increased) and Ron Rivera was about 2 games from being fired. In addition, Cam was losing his OC and Shula, an historically awful OC, was being promoted. There were real questions being asked if Newton was "figured out" and not up to the challenge of leading an NFL offense like Kap was able. In addition, Kap was a WAY better leader than Newton could ever dream to be, the Huddle would claim.

I really wish people on this forum would go to the CarolinaHuddle and search from the time period that Kap was in the Superbowl. I promise you will see the EXACT same nonsense about Carolina needing to ditch Newton because he was never going to be as good as a Kap. Newton was a loser who lived off of his athletic ability and would never master the mental aspect of the game. A mental midget he was called.

And oh God the celebrations...Newton would never lead a team to the Superbowl...DO YOU SEE HOW HE POUTS AND WEARS A TOWEL OVER HIS HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welp. Now 49ers are claiming the same.

But like the idiots on the CarolinaHuddle that said Newton should be benched and trade were absolutely WRONG...so to are the idiots that post here.

I will say it again. As a Panthers fan, there is very little difference between Newton, Kaepernick, Wilson, and Luck. Some are a little better than others at one aspect...but then not as good as the others. But ONLY in the case of Luck is the fan base willing to give him the time and EXPERIENCE necessary to learn, adjust, and grow. ONLY Luck gets this benefit.


The sad thing is that Wilson, Kaepernick, and now Newton have in 4 straight years, played in the Superbowl. Wilson was a yard away from being back to back champion...and Kaepernick about 5 yards from winning a Superbowl too. Yet it is Luck that is given all the benefit of the doubt.


Not Newton, Not Kaepernick, Not Wilson...but the great Andrew Luck...

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Heroism:

because Cam has nearly attempted 2x more passes in his career and he's only 3 tenths % lower at 59.6 vs 59.9

117 career tds and career 18,263 yards by cam to kaps 56 career tds and 10,030 career yards.

Lol do you know what a percentage is bud?

Right, and sample size can affect average....Kaeps average is falling off as his sample size grows.

Did that not start with the fall of the oline though? How did Brady look under constant pressure? (no im not saying kap is better than brady lol)

No. Kaep numbers were falling off last year as well. No matter how you slice it, his numbers go down, not up. And really who gives a crap what another QB looks like under pressure? But I will say this, Brady never looked like a stumbling moron who couldn't see wide receivers waving their arms, wide open. Even under pressure.

As long as this dudes a niner I'll be in his corner. He's not the biggest fan favorite because he doesn't bleed red and gold, but he does not get himself in trouble and he does a ton of charity work. I'll support whoever is the starter next season. If it's kap maybe he'll have an Alex Smith type resurrection.

Originally posted by mojave45:

No. Kaep numbers were falling off last year as well. No matter how you slice it, his numbers go down, not up. And really who gives a crap what another QB looks like under pressure? But I will say this, Brady never looked like a stumbling moron who couldn't see wide receivers waving their arms, wide open. Even under pressure.

Didn't we have John Martin and Marcus Martin on the oline last year?

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Heroism:

because Cam has nearly attempted 2x more passes in his career and he's only 3 tenths % lower at 59.6 vs 59.9

117 career tds and career 18,263 yards by cam to kaps 56 career tds and 10,030 career yards.

Lol do you know what a percentage is bud?

Right, and sample size can affect average....Kaeps average is falling off as his sample size grows.

Did that not start with the fall of the oline though? How did Brady look under constant pressure? (no im not saying kap is better than brady lol)

No. Kaep numbers were falling off last year as well. No matter how you slice it, his numbers go down, not up. And really who gives a crap what another QB looks like under pressure? But I will say this, Brady never looked like a stumbling moron who couldn't see wide receivers waving their arms, wide open. Even under pressure.

The o-line decline has coincided with Kaepernick's decline.

Originally posted by sevenup3000:
I will say it again. As a Panthers fan, there is very little difference between Newton, Kaepernick, Wilson, and Luck. Some are a little better than others at one aspect...but then not as good as the others. But ONLY in the case of Luck is the fan base willing to give him the time and EXPERIENCE necessary to learn, adjust, and grow. ONLY Luck gets this benefit.


The sad thing is that Wilson, Kaepernick, and now Newton have in 4 straight years, played in the Superbowl. Wilson was a yard away from being back to back champion...and Kaepernick about 5 yards from winning a Superbowl too. Yet it is Luck that is given all the benefit of the doubt.


Not Newton, Not Kaepernick, Not Wilson...but the great Andrew Luck...

Those guys you mentioned have never frustrate their receivers to the point of being benched.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by sevenup3000:

I will say it again. As a Panthers fan, there is very little difference between Newton, Kaepernick, Wilson, and Luck. Some are a little better than others at one aspect...but then not as good as the others. But ONLY in the case of Luck is the fan base willing to give him the time and EXPERIENCE necessary to learn, adjust, and grow. ONLY Luck gets this benefit.


The sad thing is that Wilson, Kaepernick, and now Newton have in 4 straight years, played in the Superbowl. Wilson was a yard away from being back to back champion...and Kaepernick about 5 yards from winning a Superbowl too. Yet it is Luck that is given all the benefit of the doubt.


Not Newton, Not Kaepernick, Not Wilson...but the great Andrew Luck...

Those guys you mentioned have never frustrate their receivers to the point of being benched.

What does that mean?

Originally posted by sevenup3000:

LOL at the ignorance and lack of perspective on this board. As a Panthers' fan and someone who has been an active member of several Carolina boards:

I promise you that when Kap was leading the 49ers to a Superbowl few years ago....I promise you that the same exact things you guys are saying about Kap (he will never be as good as Cam, Cam is so much further mentally, Cam is a much better throw, etc,) was the exact same thing that the CarolinaHuddle was saying about Cam that year.

Kap's Superbowl year was Newton's second year too. That the year that Carolina had a ton of expectations and then the team fell short. In addition, Newton's overall numbers went down (but is efficiency increased) and Ron Rivera was about 2 games from being fired. In addition, Cam was losing his OC and Shula, an historically awful OC, was being promoted.

I really wish people on this forum would go to the CarolinaHuddle and search from the time period that Kap was in the Superbowl. I promise you will see the EXACT same nonsense about Carolina needing to ditch Newton because he was never be a Kap, and was a loser who lived off of his athletic ability and would never master the mental aspect of the game.

Welp. Now 49ers are claiming the same.

Great post, i was thinking the same exact thing. Alll this stuff people are saying about Kap, you can go back 6 months and find the same exact criticisms for Cam.

Originally posted by gold49er2183:

As long as this dudes a niner I'll be in his corner. He's not the biggest fan favorite because he doesn't bleed red and gold, but he does not get himself in trouble and he does a ton of charity work. I'll support whoever is the starter next season. If it's kap maybe he'll have an Alex Smith type resurrection.

His best bet is to go and do what he did early in his career. Throw darts and dont worry about throwing with touch.

Originally posted by mojave45:

No. Kaep numbers were falling off last year as well. No matter how you slice it, his numbers go down, not up. And really who gives a crap what another QB looks like under pressure? But I will say this, Brady never looked like a stumbling moron who couldn't see wide receivers waving their arms, wide open. Even under pressure.

How were his numbers falling off last year? That's not true at all

http://www.nfl.com/player/colinkaepernick/2495186/careerstats

His stats were almost identical from 2013 to 2014 throwing for more yards and throwing 2 more INTs. That's hardly a drop off.

He doesn't need to be the MVP of the league to put up points in chips offense.

Originally posted by sevenup3000:
I will say it again. As a Panthers fan, there is very little difference between Newton, Kaepernick, Wilson, and Luck. Some are a little better than others at one aspect...but then not as good as the others. But ONLY in the case of Luck is the fan base willing to give him the time and EXPERIENCE necessary to learn, adjust, and grow. ONLY Luck gets this benefit.


The sad thing is that Wilson, Kaepernick, and now Newton have in 4 straight years, played in the Superbowl. Wilson was a yard away from being back to back champion...and Kaepernick about 5 yards from winning a Superbowl too. Yet it is Luck that is given all the benefit of the doubt.


Not Newton, Not Kaepernick, Not Wilson...but the great Andrew Luck...

Did you happen to read my list? That is comparing Cam and Kap TODAY, not before which is useless.

"Let's see, CAM is physically bigger and stronger and plays that way (Why Cam leaps into the End Zone for TDs and does QB sneaks, while Kap never runs those plays and one time he did vs the RAMS he fumbled. remember that one??? ).
Cam has better lateral running/speed (kap has none) when it comes to running the ball so he can actually escape defenders for more yards when he runs out of the pocket when no one is open (even Alex Smith is better than Kap on this one ) .
Cam has a quicker delivery and throws the pass with anticipation (Kap doesn't).
Cam scans the field in the pocket (Kap goes to 1st read, rarely a 2nd, then he runs out and takes a sack) and can throw to his 2nd or 3rd receivers.
Cam can read the defense and call them out better than Kap.
Cam has touch, Kap has NONE.
Cam can move good in the pocket, Kap can't.
Cam has a even bigger and better arm than Kap.
etc
etc
etc
etc
Do we really need to go on??? "

Also of course it helps to have your team's FO behind you, Kap will not have that now, Kap lost that when they fired Harb, why Kap is DONE with the 49ers.
And keep in mind, Andrew Luck and IND never had the great defense that helped the 49ers (gone now, will take a long long time to rebuilt it and it still might not ever come back), Seattle, and now Carolina to the Super Bowl.