Colin Kaepernick Thread

Kaep had an undisclosed neck injury on that play. I'm sure.

Originally posted by sacniner:
Kap was embarrassingly bad last year. The blind defending of his play is a joke. That said, he is the best option going into next year. Please don't start the year with Blaine. God no.

I don't think we are going to draft Goff. That is the only way I could put up with backup Blaine. Since we aren't getting Goff, give a real coach a shot at reviving Kap. After that, no excuses.

Actually a lot of the draft sites are saying 9ers will/should draft Goff so....

Originally posted by sacniner:
Kap was embarrassingly bad last year. The blind defending of his play is a joke. That said, he is the best option going into next year. Please don't start the year with Blaine. God no.

I don't think we are going to draft Goff. That is the only way I could put up with backup Blaine. Since we aren't getting Goff, give a real coach a shot at reviving Kap. After that, no excuses.

Out of curiosity, I would like to see a clarification of this. If you think Kap was that bad, how do you reckon him as the best option for next year? I see you don't want to start next year with Gabbert, but would you not agree that he has playing better this year than Kaepernick? So how do you know he won't also play better next year?

I would have no problem with getting a real solid OC and putting Kaepernick, Gabbert and a draftee together next year into TC and going with the winner. The thing is, I don't know who the winner would be and I am curious to see your reasoning.

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by sacniner:
Kap was embarrassingly bad last year. The blind defending of his play is a joke. That said, he is the best option going into next year. Please don't start the year with Blaine. God no.

I don't think we are going to draft Goff. That is the only way I could put up with backup Blaine. Since we aren't getting Goff, give a real coach a shot at reviving Kap. After that, no excuses.

Actually a lot draft sites are saying 9ers will/should draft Goff so....

So that means we will draft him? I don't want to get my hopes up. Cleveland needs a qb, again, and will take him. Johnny is done there.

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
It is because of his contract. If he had a good year this year it was around 17 to 18 mil for next year. Since he had a bad year, and didn't play the full season it is down around 12. Which is actually right around what I think is worth it to keep him and see if the next guy can fix his confidence issues.

If the next guy even wants him, that's the question

Yeah of course it is...I mean I said it in other threads, QB's should be a coaches decision and theirs only. But as an armchair coach and GM that is the right dollar figure for a guy who may or may not be the long term answer. I wouldn't pay much more than that for a guy unless you are sure of him....which I am not.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by sacniner:
Kap was embarrassingly bad last year. The blind defending of his play is a joke. That said, he is the best option going into next year. Please don't start the year with Blaine. God no.

I don't think we are going to draft Goff. That is the only way I could put up with backup Blaine. Since we aren't getting Goff, give a real coach a shot at reviving Kap. After that, no excuses.

Out of curiosity, I would like to see a clarification of this. If you think Kap was that bad, how do you reckon him as the best option for next year? I see you don't want to start next year with Gabbert, but would you not agree that he has playing better this year than Kaepernick? So how do you know he won't also play better next year?

I would have no problem with getting a real solid OC and putting Kaepernick, Gabbert and a draftee together next year into TC and going with the winner. The thing is, I don't know who the winner would be and I am curious to see your reasoning.

What's up English.

Kap's talent level and package is insane in a good way. He has a cannon with WR speed. That is always tantalizing. We've seen him have success. Blaine has never had consistent success in the NFL. He had a great game this year against ATL and played poorly for the most part after. He made a few plays, but wasn't consistent. I guess he played better than Kap, but that isn't saying anything. Kap was literally non functional as he had a mental breakdown essentially.

I think Kap's ceiling is much higher. Maybe a great coach can harness that. The NFL films guru (love his work because it's unbiased) Cossell says that Gabbert feels pressure way too quickly and moves out of the pocket too soon (leaves a lot of throws on the field). He also is too conservative. Therefore, sounds like he has issues upstairs like Kap does. If they both have mental breakdowns, and need major resurrecting, I would rather go with a guy who has an insane talent level.

Blaine is still a quality backup. I think his conservative demeanor can bode well as a backup where he will make less mistakes and not "lose the game for you." As we all know, having good backups is invaluable.

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I'll try again, in one of the next 1,000,000,000,000 times you post this exact same pic

Relax, just having a little fun, my goodness.

But to tell you the truth, that's unacceptable for a multi million dollar QB. He didn't even make any pre-snap reads and it shouldn't matter who his head coach is he should be able to make that read.

If this play was in any other spot other than the 2yd line and against the best DLine in football, I would be right there with you guys ...smh
But, the spot on the field and the play-it-safe mentality of the coaching staff (as well as other factors like a s**tty oline) make me feel different.

It is the safe play though, no CB or Safety is anywhere near Torrey Smith and Kap has more than enough arm strength to make that throw. We can blame Tomsula and Geep Chryst all day for being conservative, but that play needed to be made, obviously Torrey Smith jumping up and down thought so too.

That's were we differ. I don't view it as a safe play, and I already covered the many reasons for feeling that way(arm strength not being one).

Moving on...

Thing is too, he didn't even look in Smith's direction. I mean if you are committed to running the ball at that play at least recognize or check Torrey Smith to try and get that extra defender outta the box. Kap didn't even do that. But it's not just this game either, he actually looked a lot more horrible vs. Arizona week 3. Kap took every snap in that game and all he could muster was 67 yards passing, what multi million dollar QB does that? How about vs. Seattle at home, even Ken Dorsey had better games vs. Seattle than Kap.....we talkin Ken Dorsey!!

I just think a change of scenery should do Kap some good, Baalke just doesn't seem committed to him.

The Seattle team Dorsey faced were nowhere near as good as the current Seattle team.

It's difficult to take your opinions seriously when you display non-sequitur logic like this.

Sorry to derail, but Ken Dorsey threw 249 yards against a Seattle team that went to the Super Bowl that year.

Sorry I figured the Gabbert threw 264 yards @ Seattle was used up already.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by sacniner:
Kap was embarrassingly bad last year. The blind defending of his play is a joke. That said, he is the best option going into next year. Please don't start the year with Blaine. God no.

I don't think we are going to draft Goff. That is the only way I could put up with backup Blaine. Since we aren't getting Goff, give a real coach a shot at reviving Kap. After that, no excuses.

Actually a lot draft sites are saying 9ers will/should draft Goff so....

So that means we will draft him? I don't want to get my hopes up. Cleveland needs a qb, again, and will take him. Johnny is done there.

No one knows if Johnny is done in Cleveland (rumors out there is that they are keeping Johnny as he has done well vs good defenses this season and warrants another chance/coaching staff), that's up to the new Cleveland head coach. But I bet there is a higher chance a new Cleveland head coach keeps Johnny than a new 49er head coach keeps an over paid, inept/unimprovable, and still injured kap

Is Kap coming out w/ these injuries so he can be injured come April 1 and basically guaranteed 16M or whatever that amount is?

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Is Kap coming out w/ these injuries so he can be injured come April 1 and basically guaranteed 16M or whatever that amount is?

Most likely, ask his lawyer/agent probably what he did so he can be covered on his end in case they cut him

Originally posted by sacniner:
What's up English.

Kap's talent level and package is insane in a good way. He has a cannon with WR speed. That is always tantalizing. We've seen him have success. Blaine has never had consistent success in the NFL. He had a great game this year against ATL and played poorly for the most part after. He made a few plays, but wasn't consistent. I guess he played better than Kap, but that isn't saying anything. Kap was literally non functional as he had a mental breakdown essentially.

I think Kap's ceiling is much higher. Maybe a great coach can harness that. The NFL films guru (love his work because it's unbiased) Cossell says that Gabbert feels pressure way too quickly and moves out of the pocket too soon (leaves a lot of throws on the field). He also is too conservative. Therefore, sounds like he has issues upstairs like Kap does. If they both have mental breakdowns, and need major resurrecting, I would rather go with a guy who has an insane talent level.

Blaine is still a quality backup. I think his conservative demeanor can bode well as a backup where he will make less mistakes and not "lose the game for you." As we all know, having good backups is invaluable.

Don't understand this. Seems Gabbert was much more patient in the pocket than Kaepernick.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by sacniner:
What's up English.

Kap's talent level and package is insane in a good way. He has a cannon with WR speed. That is always tantalizing. We've seen him have success. Blaine has never had consistent success in the NFL. He had a great game this year against ATL and played poorly for the most part after. He made a few plays, but wasn't consistent. I guess he played better than Kap, but that isn't saying anything. Kap was literally non functional as he had a mental breakdown essentially.

I think Kap's ceiling is much higher. Maybe a great coach can harness that. The NFL films guru (love his work because it's unbiased) Cossell says that Gabbert feels pressure way too quickly and moves out of the pocket too soon (leaves a lot of throws on the field). He also is too conservative. Therefore, sounds like he has issues upstairs like Kap does. If they both have mental breakdowns, and need major resurrecting, I would rather go with a guy who has an insane talent level.

Blaine is still a quality backup. I think his conservative demeanor can bode well as a backup where he will make less mistakes and not "lose the game for you." As we all know, having good backups is invaluable.

Don't understand this. Seems Gabbert was much more patient in the pocket than Kaepernick.

It's call the o-line sucks and most likely the play calls too, in both cases.

Originally posted by Swampstar:
The market will decide Kap's value. If he is a worthless as some suggest he will be out of the NFL next year. The 64 head coaches/general managers will evaluate how Kap has performed under pressure and fundamentals won't be ignored. It's hard to imagine giving up a high draft choice and a substantial salary after his recent performance. A possible scenario would be as a replacement if a team loses a quarterback to injury in the middle of the season. The guy does have that "dazzle factor" but the league seems to have adjusted forcing Kap into a more traditional role which he hasn't been able to master. Hopefully Kap will bounce back but to suggest he has been poorly coached after a lifetime of football defies logic. When the pressure is on he reverts to what he knows made him a star at Reno. Giving up anything substantial for Kap would appear risky and the NFL owners et. al. are not likely to jump for a guy who was demoted from one of the worst teams in football.

According to all the pundits, between Harbaugh the Great and Kurt Warner, it is hard to make a case that he hasn't had quality coaching. Warner went public with his disappointment that all the mechanical stuff they worked on during the off-season in Arizona fell apart once the season started.

He just doesn't appear to have the requisite football IQ for the position. Nice kid. Great backstory. Just hasn't shown what it takes to play NFL-grade QB.

dtg, you are correct...gab is way more patient in the pocket than kap. Now, if someone is talking about the 2012 -13 seasons, before defenses figured out how to defense kap, maybe not. But once the Ds caught on to not rushing kap from the outside, ie, just containing him, it forced him to become a pocket passer and we all know the story on that. He failed...end of kap experiment.

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by sacniner:
What's up English.

Kap's talent level and package is insane in a good way. He has a cannon with WR speed. That is always tantalizing. We've seen him have success. Blaine has never had consistent success in the NFL. He had a great game this year against ATL and played poorly for the most part after. He made a few plays, but wasn't consistent. I guess he played better than Kap, but that isn't saying anything. Kap was literally non functional as he had a mental breakdown essentially.

I think Kap's ceiling is much higher. Maybe a great coach can harness that. The NFL films guru (love his work because it's unbiased) Cossell says that Gabbert feels pressure way too quickly and moves out of the pocket too soon (leaves a lot of throws on the field). He also is too conservative. Therefore, sounds like he has issues upstairs like Kap does. If they both have mental breakdowns, and need major resurrecting, I would rather go with a guy who has an insane talent level.

Blaine is still a quality backup. I think his conservative demeanor can bode well as a backup where he will make less mistakes and not "lose the game for you." As we all know, having good backups is invaluable.

Don't understand this. Seems Gabbert was much more patient in the pocket than Kaepernick.

It's call the o-line sucks and most likely the play calls too, in both cases.

he has a cannon that he can't hit anything unless the guy is wide open and running free behind the defense and even then it is an iffy proposition and he has demonstrated very little touch on the shorter routes and while his straight line speed is impressive it has proven to be almost useless when it comes to moving around in the pocket because his stride is too long to be effective is small areas. His upside is a myth, it was the thing that Harbaugh chased after and could never develop and it is the carrot that will probably entice some new coach into believing that he can "fix" what his wrong with his game so the team will waste another year going down a road it has already travelled with a player who simply isn't good enough to get it done. I'm not saying I'm sold on Gabbert by any means but in his eight starts I saw more tangible potential in him than I have seen in 3 1/2 years with Kaepernick. During the course of the games he played this year Gabbert made some absolutely wicked throws that Kaepernick could only dream about. I think he also showed more functionality in the pocket avoiding the rush and extending plays and when he did run it was usually to good effect. I would much rather see him starting next year than Kaepernick simply because I think he's a better player.