Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by mojave45:

The quote about being aggressive later in the game seemed to me to be taken out of context. I think Chryst is making those decisions, not a back up QB trying to work his way into a starting job.

I'm not going off of quotes. I'm going off of what I see with my own eyes as far as his aggressiveness.

Originally posted by Stud:

Oh the irony.

Yep. Just like some of you didn't see a bad line, bad coaching, receivers that can't get open.... until it started to effect the savior of our franchise Gabbert.

Originally posted by Kense:
It's obvious what your implications are, the problem is that Gabbert gets most of his yards in Garbage time when the D has let up. So comparing his 7.1 yardage to QB's on superior teams is pointless and shows nothing.

Interesting take... Lets say Ill agree with you on this post, But first you need to agree with yourself, and lets see if you do.

Now that thats said, lets see if you practice what you preach shall we? Kaepernick vs Pittsburgh. 335 yards 2 TD's 0 INTs. Are those stats garbage time stats or are those real stats? If you answered Garbage time stats, horray, you are objective and not emotionally attached to Kap. If you answered REAL stats, thats a RED light for failure and Unfortunately ill have to try to bypass your posts about kaepernick anymore because there wont be any point to even post logic to your posts.

The reason I say you failed if you picked real stats is considering in that game kaepernick had what was it again? Less than 50 yards passing at half time? 2nd half we were already losing 30-3 or 29-3 one of the two, and he put up over 250+ yards 2nd half when we were already completely blown out of the water and headed for a big Loss. Pittsburgh defense went from kicking the Sh*t out of us, to playing prevent defense giving us free passes all half long. That is called garbage time stats.

All in all your post is great, I just hope it applys to every Quarterback and not just the one who took YOUR favorite Quarterbacks position.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
I know some feel that Kaepernick had a "bad" year in 2014.... there are others who feel that having Jonathan Martin (who is out of the league) and Marcus Martin (who should be out of the league) block for you is recipe for disaster.

and of course the whole coaching and management drama..

either way, even with that being said... Kap had these numbers for the season... while having to play defenses like the Seahawks, Cardinals, and Rams twice a season.

19TDs 10INTs 3,369 yards 86QBrating along with 639 yards rushing (7 20yard + runs)

but besides those stats... I think this got overlooked

regarding Kap and 3rd down conversions... and mind you, almost all of our games were close....weren't blow outs.. so there were many situations where we needed to complete many 3rd downs...and the defense weren't playing soft or anything, to allow us. Our average to go on 159 attemps on 3rd down was 7.7..which is similar to what Gabbert has since he took over I believe.

Which Passers Were Most Effective on Third Down in in 2014?

Kap was ranked 7th behind Romo, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Big Ben, and Tom Brady..

But out of that list of 42 QBs, Kaep's 7.7 to go on 3rd down had him with the 12th most yards needed... .with 11 other QBs having to face harder situations.

and the writer randomly singled out Kaepernick

Colin Kaepernick had a bad year, right? Well, not so much on third downs, where he was one of the most productive players in the league.

the point of this post is that, even during his *worse* year as a QB.... Kap was still damn good enough to not worry about the defenses dictating the 1st down marker on third and long.

Still looking forward to seeing what he does next year, with an improved oline... with us or another team... because I think anything is going to be more improved than having Devey, Martin, and Pears blocking for you.

Quality posts like this are good to have around, regardless if i think the dude sucks or not. Its always good to read good things about a 49er's Quarterback as long as hes in the uniform. Its always good to have these posts too, to compare to the other posts to really break down exactly what the problem is with Kaepernick and why hes flaming out.

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Originally posted by Kense:
It's obvious what your implications are, the problem is that Gabbert gets most of his yards in Garbage time when the D has let up. So comparing his 7.1 yardage to QB's on superior teams is pointless and shows nothing.

Interesting take... Lets say Ill agree with you on this post, But first you need to agree with yourself, and lets see if you do.

Now that thats said, lets see if you practice what you preach shall we? Kaepernick vs Pittsburgh. 335 yards 2 TD's 0 INTs. Are those stats garbage time stats or are those real stats? If you answered Garbage time stats, horray, you are objective and not emotionally attached to Kap. If you answered REAL stats, thats a RED light for failure and Unfortunately ill have to try to bypass your posts about kaepernick anymore because there wont be any point to even post logic to your posts.

The reason I say you failed if you picked real stats is considering in that game kaepernick had what was it again? Less than 50 yards passing at half time? 2nd half we were already losing 30-3 or 29-3 one of the two, and he put up over 250+ yards 2nd half when we were already completely blown out of the water and headed for a big Loss. Pittsburgh defense went from kicking the Sh*t out of us, to playing prevent defense giving us free passes all half long. That is called garbage time stats.

All in all your post is great, I just hope it applys to every Quarterback and not just the one who took YOUR favorite Quarterbacks position.

That's nice but completely overlooks the play-calling in the first half vs Pittsburgh which was so conservative even the tea party rejected it. By that I mean we were 30 points down and still not going for it on 4th and short and still calling largely run plays.

Originally posted by Buchy:
That's nice but completely overlooks the play-calling in the first half vs Pittsburgh which was so conservative even the tea party rejected it. By that I mean we were 30 points down and still not going for it on 4th and short and still calling largely run plays.

And the play calling has changed how, exactly? Seems to me the play calling is still just as conservative as ever...

Thing is Kaep played well against Pittsburgh. There were many drops in that game. The playcalling was meh, as usual and the D just couldn't stop anyone. I wouldn't call that game empty stats. Kaep is one of the few QB's that benefits from empty stats. Even in blow outs most QB's really start to take advantage and pick up stats, Kaep didn't. We shut him down and ran the ball. This has always hurt Kaep because he could never just step back and let it go. Kaep simply isn't an empty stat QB. He IMO has always had to earn his production. No tosses to the flats that go to the house. No dump offs to RBS who take it to the house. He doesn't have any of those dynamic players. Vernon was supposed to give the O an edge but he clearly sucks now. Remember how Kaep was the reason why Vernon was bad? Kaep was the reason for the line, the running game, the coaching, the playcalling, the receivers....that used to all be because of Kaep. Now seems like some people are starting to realize that all of those areas have been s**t.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
And the play calling has changed how, exactly? Seems to me the play calling is still just as conservative as ever...

Gabbert fits this "philosophy" if that's what you want to call it a hell of a lot better than Kaep. Gabbert is a conservative player and is playing to stay alive. Kaep is a play to win player. Always looking downfield. I have no doubt with a dynamic play-caller who could take advantage of Kaep's strengths we'd see different results...of course we'd need decent players around Kaep. I see nothing from Gabbert. He's no different than Matt Cassel or any of the other backups that on occasion make a nice play. Problem here is when Gabbert made one or 2 nice plays, this place used those plays and projected them to him being more than he is.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
And the play calling has changed how, exactly? Seems to me the play calling is still just as conservative as ever...

Gabbert fits this "philosophy" if that's what you want to call it a hell of a lot better than Kaep. Gabbert is a conservative player and is playing to stay alive. Kaep is a play to win player. Always looking downfield. I have no doubt with a dynamic play-caller who could take advantage of Kaep's strengths we'd see different results...of course we'd need decent players around Kaep. I see nothing from Gabbert. He's no different than Matt Cassel or any of the other backups that on occasion make a nice play. Problem here is when Gabbert made one or 2 nice plays, this place used those plays and projected them to him being more than he is.

No argument there. Looking downfield to the one receiver he has locked on waiting to get open.

Originally posted by SundayTicket:
Interesting take... Lets say Ill agree with you on this post, But first you need to agree with yourself, and lets see if you do.

Now that thats said, lets see if you practice what you preach shall we? Kaepernick vs Pittsburgh. 335 yards 2 TD's 0 INTs. Are those stats garbage time stats or are those real stats? If you answered Garbage time stats, horray, you are objective and not emotionally attached to Kap. If you answered REAL stats, thats a RED light for failure and Unfortunately ill have to try to bypass your posts about kaepernick anymore because there wont be any point to even post logic to your posts.

The reason I say you failed if you picked real stats is considering in that game kaepernick had what was it again? Less than 50 yards passing at half time? 2nd half we were already losing 30-3 or 29-3 one of the two, and he put up over 250+ yards 2nd half when we were already completely blown out of the water and headed for a big Loss. Pittsburgh defense went from kicking the Sh*t out of us, to playing prevent defense giving us free passes all half long. That is called garbage time stats.

All in all your post is great, I just hope it applys to every Quarterback and not just the one who took YOUR favorite Quarterbacks position.

What's your point? The game was already out of reach most of those stats were garbage time. However Kap is a proven winner and has lead the team in comebacks in major games. You wont acknowledge that. Gabbert is doing nothing but playing from behind and is getting worse. Garbage time or not Kapernick completed over 70% of his passes in that pittsburgh game. According to you he's not accurate. You also ignore the coaching that first half. Why does only Gabbert get all the excuses about bad coaching ?

Originally posted by Kense:
What's your point? The game was already out of reach most of those stats were garbage time. However Kap is a proven winner and has lead the team in comebacks in major games. You wont acknowledge that. Gabbert is doing nothing but playing from behind and is getting worse. Garbage time or not Kapernick completed over 70% of his passes in that pittsburgh game. According to you he's not accurate. You also ignore the coaching that first half. Why does only Gabbert get all the excuses about bad coaching ?

Because Gabbert's putting up better stats. So what's Kap's excuse?

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Because Gabbert's putting up better stats. So what's Kap's excuse?

I guess you're only looking at the stats that you want to look at. Would love to see Blaine's 2nd half stats vs his 1st half stats. Empty stats are a Gabbert Halmark it seems.

Lets look at some numbers...

Playing with a lead: Gabbert: 56.9 Kaep: 102.1
Tied: Gabbert: 70.6 Kaep: 67

Kaep converting 25 3rd downs on 74 attempts
Gabbert 12 on 59 attempts

Kaep 4th quarter Rating: 91.3
Gabbert 4th quarter Rating: 77.4

As I said, you're including stats that only YOU want to include.

Gabbert shouldn't even be part of this discussion, he's awful. If we're looking for a new QB it has to be someone else.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Thing is Kaep played well against Pittsburgh. There were many drops in that game. The playcalling was meh, as usual and the D just couldn't stop anyone. I wouldn't call that game empty stats. Kaep is one of the few QB's that benefits from empty stats. Even in blow outs most QB's really start to take advantage and pick up stats, Kaep didn't. We shut him down and ran the ball. This has always hurt Kaep because he could never just step back and let it go. Kaep simply isn't an empty stat QB. He IMO has always had to earn his production. No tosses to the flats that go to the house. No dump offs to RBS who take it to the house. He doesn't have any of those dynamic players. Vernon was supposed to give the O an edge but he clearly sucks now. Remember how Kaep was the reason why Vernon was bad? Kaep was the reason for the line, the running game, the coaching, the playcalling, the receivers....that used to all be because of Kaep. Now seems like some people are starting to realize that all of those areas have been s**t.

Right away I have to disagree at halftime we were down by over 20kaep had less than 100 yards

By the end of the game we didn't even reach pitsburg half time point total

And over 80 % of offensive production came in 2nd half when game was over

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Because Gabbert's putting up better stats. So what's Kap's excuse?

I guess you're only looking at the stats that you want to look at. Would love to see Blaine's 2nd half stats vs his 1st half stats. Empty stats are a Gabbert Halmark it seems.

Lets look at some numbers...

Playing with a lead: Gabbert: 56.9 Kaep: 102.1
Tied: Gabbert: 70.6 Kaep: 67

Kaep converting 25 3rd downs on 74 attempts
Gabbert 12 on 59 attempts

Kaep 4th quarter Rating: 91.3
Gabbert 4th quarter Rating: 77.4

As I said, you're including stats that only YOU want to include.

Gabbert shouldn't even be part of this discussion, he's awful. If we're looking for a new QB it has to be someone else.

LMAO. Meanwhile you pick stats only YOU want to include. Double standard much? Did I say Gabbert was the answer? No, I said he's putting up better stats than Kap. You just can't seem to understand that, though in your man crush for him.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
LMAO. Meanwhile you pick stats only YOU want to include. Double standard much? Did I say Gabbert was the answer? No, I said he's putting up better stats than Kap. You just can't seem to understand that, though in your man crush for him.

Expected response.