Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by ninersush:
Guys what cam is doing this year is what kap has done the past 3. Kap basically rode the coat tails of an amazing defense and run game. Sure he made some plays somewhere in there. But he was a medicore qb always. Just look at the beginning of the 2013 and 2014 years. We came out being passing offenses throwing and asking kap to take over. Our offense was absolutely miserable. We reverted to a running team and we did well again. I'm just looking at facts. They tell the story.

You're right. To me that's the underlining problem. How a team winning changes the perception of what guys are. Russell Wilson is basically doing EXACTLY what kaep has done and gets praised. Now it's Newton doing what Kaep has done and now getting praised.

I just hate how fickle the media is. 1 play here or there changes the perception. winning records changes perception.

i just wished Kaep had listened to Boldin in the offseason when he said dont listen to anybody and be himself. I admire trying to fix what he thought was broke. But trying to be something you're not led to the only outcome that was ever going to come from it. Just like McNabb, RGIII and others. Just be you.

Im not one to wish injuries on anyone, but hopefully Kaep figures that out again like he did last 2 games of the season last year. Then for whatever reason gets another chance to finish what he started. But it truly does come down to getting back to being him. play the game he has always played and to hell with everyone else. His style of play got him to as many SB as Aaron Rodgers and his style of play. and Drew Brees and his style of play. More than Andrew Luck and Carson Palmer and their styles of play.

People need to quit with all of the Franchise QB garbage. All you want is a guy who can win you a SB and Kaep has proved he can do that. Now it appears as if we are going to be be getting rid of a guy we know we can win with to try and find out if our next can win us one.

DYSFUNCTION AT ITS FINEST!!!

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by BobS:
Seriously folks as in those who think Kap can still be an above average QB, what defect of his is going to magically repair itself? Is sitting going to make him have pocket awareness where he has always had none? Will it make him stop staring down receivers? Is he going to all of a sudden start seeing the field like Tom Brady instead of seeing half the field at best? He is on year 5 and nothing has gotten better. Also as I ask repeatedly could someone please explain all this "talent" this guy has. I see two things, high cruising speed, and a strong throwing arm. What else? He blends the high cruising speed with lacking a quick burst (takes a while to hit top speed) and no lateral movement, he blends the arm strength with no touch or accuracy. He makes his only two real talents useless because of what he lacks. What other talents does he have that I am missing?

He has actually shown that he can in spurts execute every single short coming you put on your list. It is just doing it consistently with good leadership that has been the issue. The false narrative that he has never read a D, or cant throw a touch pass or has never climbed the pocket has to stop. It isn't useful to the conversation to constantly go all strawman and act like he has never played well or that these things are all absolutes.

Wow, that is like me saying "Shaq cannot make 3 pointers" then you say "Not true I saw him make one once." If you can't do something in the NFL a high percentage of the time, it is a short coming. So you saw Kap scan the whole field once when it was muddy, all the rushers all fell down and the 49er lineman sat on them, so that means he can make all the reads? As I will say till I am blue in the face, it is what a QB does under pressure that counts, and Kap fails miserably. It isn't college anymore where you get 4 second clean pockets, receivers that get a quick two yards on a defender running a go route, and when you try to scramble around the edge you are chased by linebackers that run 4.9's. If Kap sees what he saw in college on the other side of the ball he will light them up, no doubt, problem is you don't see that very often in the NFL.

Originally posted by BobS:
Carolina offense 27.2 points per game, San Francisco offense 13.6 points per game. Newton is making key plays that Kaepernick isn't. The double scoring isn't all coming from that extra 44 yards rushing or from defense. On the other hand who cares what Cam Newton does, he doesn't play for the 49ers and he isn't on the trade block.

Are you going to analyze that stats or just trot them up and think they'll stand on their own.

Carolina has an ELITE defense that gives them short fields. They also get better field position consistently. More rushing yards and TDs. Better line, OC, HC, DC. They are better in every way and on top of that play in a defensively weak division. What Cam is doing now, 9er fans were complaining about when Kaep was doing it and was more successful at it. People want to compare Cam now but wouldn't dare doing it before.

2.5 seconds to throw the ball. Worst in the league. Must be Kaep's fault.

Russ having his worst season with an ordinary D. Cam heard footsteps when he had an ordinary/poor D. People are just cherry-picking now. No analytical ability.

I have a feeling Kap will come back strong. No player breaks down this much from as much success as Kap has had. Even Kurt Warner looked broken. Eli looked broken at times.

Kap seems to have a different personality but I hope he "gets it" and comes back with nothing to lose.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by ninersush:
Guys what cam is doing this year is what kap has done the past 3. Kap basically rode the coat tails of an amazing defense and run game. Sure he made some plays somewhere in there. But he was a medicore qb always. Just look at the beginning of the 2013 and 2014 years. We came out being passing offenses throwing and asking kap to take over. Our offense was absolutely miserable. We reverted to a running team and we did well again. I'm just looking at facts. They tell the story.

Difference is what Cams doing right now wouldn't have got us past the first game of the 2012 playoffs, and also would've had us playing in the wild card round that year.

What does what happened 3 years ago have to do with this season? Only you and a few others don't understand that perfect storm won't be repeated. Seems like Kap supporters love to live in the past. Why don't you start bringing up that his 2015 passing numbers would have won him a passing title in 1968? Glad the Kap homers stopped doing that garbage.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by ninersush:
Guys what cam is doing this year is what kap has done the past 3. Kap basically rode the coat tails of an amazing defense and run game. Sure he made some plays somewhere in there. But he was a medicore qb always. Just look at the beginning of the 2013 and 2014 years. We came out being passing offenses throwing and asking kap to take over. Our offense was absolutely miserable. We reverted to a running team and we did well again. I'm just looking at facts. They tell the story.

Difference is what Cams doing right now wouldn't have got us past the first game of the 2012 playoffs, and also would've had us playing in the wild card round that year.

What does what happened 3 years ago have to do with this season? Only you and a few others don't understand that perfect storm won't be repeated. Seems like Kap supporters love to live in the past. Why don't you start bringing up that his 2015 passing numbers would have won him a passing title in 1968? Glad the Kap homers stopped doing that garbage.

Cam already said the reason why they are winning is because they are able to run the ball and the defense is playing well. Cam is making the plays that need to be made also.

Originally posted by BobS:
What does what happened 3 years ago have to do with this season? Only you and a few others don't understand that perfect storm won't be repeated. Seems like Kap supporters love to live in the past. Why don't you start bringing up that his 2015 passing numbers would have won him a passing title in 1968? Glad the Kap homers stopped doing that garbage.

Should we all cry in our beer? What's wrong with hoping a QB returns to his play of a few years ago? Lots of QBs have ups and downs and there are many cases of QBs improving late in their careers. I have no illusions that Kaepernick is basically a running QB with a strong arm...can he learn to improve as Steve Young and Randall Cunningham did later in their careers? Sure hope so because without that I don't see this team being good for at least two years. I'd prefer to hope they will be good...tomorrow.

One neat thing about sports is that no two athletes have identical careers. Isn't that wonderful? We can be amazed, disappointed, confused, delighted, sad, happy...after all...why not?

Edit: Just noticed you asked "Kap homers" what he can fix in his QB play. Answer--almost anything. Good QB coaches can teach QBs to read the field better. Not necessarily to elite status, or naturally but better. With good training and practice Kaepernick can be taught to use a set process for reading the field ala Walsh's training of Montana and others. If I could recall which thread had links to the Walsh videos I'd link them here but google is your friend.

He taught QBs to develop habits, as in--"As you approach the OL quickly count the defenders across the field to see where the numbers are." This would have helped when Smith was uncovered and wide open for a TD. It has to become a rote habit though because as we saw...Kaepernick was thinking about not creating safety, or fumbling, or sneezing...whatever. When you have these habits you are less overwhelmed. Then you can point out, during a super bowl huddle, that John Candy is in the stands.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I have a feeling Kap will come back strong. No player breaks down this much from as much success as Kap has had. Even Kurt Warner looked broken. Eli looked broken at times.

Kap seems to have a different personality but I hope he "gets it" and comes back with nothing to lose.

Me too, brother. Me too.

Originally posted by BobS:
What does what happened 3 years ago have to do with this season? Only you and a few others don't understand that perfect storm won't be repeated. Seems like Kap supporters love to live in the past. Why don't you start bringing up that his 2015 passing numbers would have won him a passing title in 1968? Glad the Kap homers stopped doing that garbage.

Defense wins championships. Good Defense, a good running game and a QB that makes plays when called upon is what wins championships. We were on the right path with Harbaugh and Kaep. That 5000 yard chucker with a mediocre D and no running game doesn't make it far in the playoffs that is if he even gets there. If your D is playing lights out, there's no need to chuck the ball all over the field. Control the clock by running the ball and making key passes.

Your form of football is not winning football. Maybe we can trade for Cutler or Stafford and have them put us over the top.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Should we all cry in our beer? What's wrong with hoping a QB returns to his play of a few years ago? Lots of QBs have ups and downs and there are many cases of QBs improving late in their careers. I have no illusions that Kaepernick is basically a running QB with a strong arm...can he learn to improve as Steve Young and Randall Cunningham did later in their careers? Sure hope so because without that I don't see this team being good for at least two years. I'd prefer to hope they will be good...tomorrow.

One neat thing about sports is that no two athletes have identical careers. Isn't that wonderful? We can be amazed, disappointed, confused, delighted, sad, happy...after all...why not?

It's quite clear he just doesn't like the QB. His hatred and need to be right goes above everything. He keeps talking about passing yards as if they win championships.

I don't know what to think about all this. I fell like we've had this conversation for the past several years now.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by ninersush:

Guys what cam is doing this year is what kap has done the past 3. Kap basically rode the coat tails of an amazing defense and run game. Sure he made some plays somewhere in there. But he was a medicore qb always. Just look at the beginning of the 2013 and 2014 years. We came out being passing offenses throwing and asking kap to take over. Our offense was absolutely miserable. We reverted to a running team and we did well again. I'm just looking at facts. They tell the story.

Difference is what Cams doing right now wouldn't have got us past the first game of the 2012 playoffs, and also would've had us playing in the wild card round that year.

What does what happened 3 years ago have to do with this season? Only you and a few others don't understand that perfect storm won't be repeated. Seems like Kap supporters love to live in the past. Why don't you start bringing up that his 2015 passing numbers would have won him a passing title in 1968? Glad the Kap homers stopped doing that garbage.

2012 was a magical year for Kaep fans. They will remember it always.....

Originally posted by BobS:

What does what happened 3 years ago have to do with this season? Only you and a few others don't understand that perfect storm won't be repeated. Seems like Kap supporters love to live in the past. Why don't you start bringing up that his 2015 passing numbers would have won him a passing title in 1968? Glad the Kap homers stopped doing that garbage.

It's not about hoping that guy comes back, I'm just making the comment that he has carried a team. You guys are trying a little too hard to push your narrative that he's never done anything. I'm just pointing out that he has, that's all.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by ninersush:

Guys what cam is doing this year is what kap has done the past 3. Kap basically rode the coat tails of an amazing defense and run game. Sure he made some plays somewhere in there. But he was a medicore qb always. Just look at the beginning of the 2013 and 2014 years. We came out being passing offenses throwing and asking kap to take over. Our offense was absolutely miserable. We reverted to a running team and we did well again. I'm just looking at facts. They tell the story.

Difference is what Cams doing right now wouldn't have got us past the first game of the 2012 playoffs, and also would've had us playing in the wild card round that year.

What does what happened 3 years ago have to do with this season? Only you and a few others don't understand that perfect storm won't be repeated. Seems like Kap supporters love to live in the past. Why don't you start bringing up that his 2015 passing numbers would have won him a passing title in 1968? Glad the Kap homers stopped doing that garbage.

Cam already said the reason why they are winning is because they are able to run the ball and the defense is playing well. Cam is making the plays that need to be made also.

Yeah every interview I've see of him he gives most of the credit to the defense.

Originally posted by Blindfury:
It's quite clear he just doesn't like the QB. His hatred and need to be right goes above everything. He keeps talking about passing yards as if they win championships.

I guess. Kaepernick seems to have nothing in common with me other than breathing...but to dislike the guy when you don't know him? I can certainly see not liking his style of play, or his headphones, or his tatoos...but the only one of those that is football related is style of play and that can change...just as Kaepernick's apparel has changed. None of my business as to his personal like unless he starts breaking the law and then I'll want him gone.