49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

WZ Post Game: Everyone agrees our OL was dominated by their DL especially inside.
WZ Member 3 Days Later: Finds a positive PP stat.
WZ: See, we're #1. Nothing to worry about. Chicken Little's

Life in the WZ.

Dominated was what happened Thursday night to Carolina. Context.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
That's what's called the webzone effect

Or the dreaded c word. Context

WZ Post Game: Everyone agrees our OL was dominated by their DL especially inside.
WZ Member 3 Days Later: Finds a positive PP stat.
WZ: See, we're #1. Nothing to worry about. Chicken Little's

Life in the WZ.

realists . the o line is the same as it was post season last year. pre draft. pre free agency. in camp. during pre season and here in the regular season. now we had better hope the line run blocks better this week than last week. we just all assumed that would be the one thing they will do well this year

Actually, I think the RB's, and not the OLIne might make this a better run offense this time vs the Bucs. In other words, I think if they play Mostert more, that run game will get untract. Mostert seems bigger and stronger and seems to be able to break more tackles than Breida, *and* has as much (or more) speed than Brieda. My only worry about Mostert is in the fumbling area. I think Mosterts speed is also essential in the short passing game against the Linebackers of the Bungles. If Mostert can catch a swing pass or flair out, make the first guy miss, Mostert just might take it to the endzone with his speed.

Originally posted by Giedi:

As NC said, context. I'm jazzed that our OLine performed better than how Carolina's did - apparently, (didn't watch the buc-panther game) but lots of credible folks here said the buc DLine did a way better job on Carolina OLine than they did on our OLine - that makes my day! then of course all those PFF stats that say our OLine is pretty good.

So I think everything I said about the OLine before the regular season began is coming true. In other words, this is a good OLine. I'm not saying Great yet (like the super bowl OLines) but it's not bad, and as long as they stay reasonably healthy (maybe a ding here or there for a game or two) they will be ok and they **WILL** get better simply by just having more reps together. That's the nature of Kyles ZBS. That also leads me to believe that the youngsters on the roster now, and on the practice squad - have a good chance of developing like how Shon Colman developed last year. By the end of the year, my hope is that the youngsters show their stuff in relief and we can see how they have progressed throughout the year.

Definitely. It's one game but it's encouraging either way.

Let's hope they can start stacking the PP games because that's the only real concern here. If they can do that, look out!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
As NC said, context. I'm jazzed that our OLine performed better than how Carolina's did - apparently, (didn't watch the buc-panther game) but lots of credible folks here said the buc DLine did a way better job on Carolina OLine than they did on our OLine - that makes my day! then of course all those PFF stats that say our OLine is pretty good.

So I think everything I said about the OLine before the regular season began is coming true. In other words, this is a good OLine. I'm not saying Great yet (like the super bowl OLines) but it's not bad, and as long as they stay reasonably healthy (maybe a ding here or there for a game or two) they will be ok and they **WILL** get better simply by just having more reps together. That's the nature of Kyles ZBS. That also leads me to believe that the youngsters on the roster now, and on the practice squad - have a good chance of developing like how Shon Colman developed last year. By the end of the year, my hope is that the youngsters show their stuff in relief and we can see how they have progressed throughout the year.

Definitely. It's one game but it's encouraging either way.

Let's hope they can start stacking the PP games because that's the only real concern here. If they can do that, look out!

Absolutely agree. I think Kyle Shanahan is an underrated OLine coach. Because, seriously, you don't become a top of the line OC (I think the stats on Kyle is he's been in the top 10 consistently year after year - prior to the 49ers) if your OLine sucks. Second data point - great choice on McGlinchy - he's all that and a bag of chips. Third data point is the Bucs/Panther game with regards to the *context* of our OLine.

I think I'll hazard a guess that by the end of the year, our OLine will begin to look a bit like the old Alex Gibb's lines of old, and good chance that we'll forgo draft pick to the interior OLine side in the 2020 draft. (again, I'd condition that by saying - they'd forgo a 2020 interior OLine draft pick **if** our OLine looks solid by the end of the 2019 season. )

I really am impressed with how Kyle has assembled his offense. There are a lot of UDFA's on that offense - and I think that's how he's gotten such great talent on defense (Dee Ford, Dick Sherman, hopefully Verett) and great drafts in Greenlaw, Warner, possibly Ahkello. In other words, you can afford to spend a lot draft capital on defense (Bosa, Solomon) if you are getting good UDFA's on offense.

P.S. a fifth round pick that breaks the TE NFL records for yards - that's hitting the lottery in my opinion. Kittle looks to be a Jerry Rice/Tony Gonzales level kind of player. Kyle has some serious offensive chops, and I think he's developing nicely as a defensive coach too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

That's what's called the webzone effect

Or the dreaded c word. Context

WZ Post Game: Everyone agrees our OL was dominated by their DL especially inside.
WZ Member 3 Days Later: Finds a positive PP stat.
WZ: See, we're #1. Nothing to worry about. Chicken Little's

Life in the WZ.

OL was certainly not dominated and I don't recall folks saying that after the game. Thought outside of the run game everyone was pretty pleased

Simply put nothing was done to upgrade the o-line this last year. It's kinda crazy imo. Now I know a lot of guys were hurt and are doing better....I get that and I hope it works, but we're really just one injury away from being screwed anywhere along the line. That to me is bad roster management. O-linemen always get dinged up. They have a very unforgiving job.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
WZ Post Game: Everyone agrees our OL was dominated by their DL especially inside.
WZ Member 3 Days Later: Finds a positive PP stat.
WZ: See, we're #1. Nothing to worry about. Chicken Little's

Life in the WZ.

Dominated was what happened Thursday night to Carolina. Context.

Truth

We will need to improve the OLine.

We have to get better there and we may improve throughout the season doesn't mean we are set at the OLine.

Food for thought.

https://ninernoise.com/2019/09/13/49ers-2019-nfl-draft-5-prospects-sense/6/

The Center looks very good.

Thoughts??

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

That's what's called the webzone effect

Or the dreaded c word. Context

WZ Post Game: Everyone agrees our OL was dominated by their DL especially inside.
WZ Member 3 Days Later: Finds a positive PP stat.
WZ: See, we're #1. Nothing to worry about. Chicken Little's

Life in the WZ.

OL was certainly not dominated and I don't recall folks saying that after the game. Thought outside of the run game everyone was pretty pleased

Fans were noting constantly Richburg and Tomlinson getting dominated inside, McGlinchey struggled some too. Not horrific but I think fans were more surprised by the Bucs defense which was bad last year. However, in the OL thread, it was noted over and over we'd struggle against Vea and Suh.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

That's what's called the webzone effect

Or the dreaded c word. Context

WZ Post Game: Everyone agrees our OL was dominated by their DL especially inside.
WZ Member 3 Days Later: Finds a positive PP stat.
WZ: See, we're #1. Nothing to worry about. Chicken Little's

Life in the WZ.

OL was certainly not dominated and I don't recall folks saying that after the game. Thought outside of the run game everyone was pretty pleased

Fans were noting constantly Richburg and Tomlinson getting dominated inside, McGlinchey struggled some too. Not horrific but I think fans were more surprised by the Bucs defense which was bad last year. However, in the OL thread, it was noted over and over we'd struggle against Vea and Suh.

In run blocking. Didn't see any issues from people around PP...which is what everyone has been griping about for 3 years.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

That's what's called the webzone effect

Or the dreaded c word. Context

WZ Post Game: Everyone agrees our OL was dominated by their DL especially inside.
WZ Member 3 Days Later: Finds a positive PP stat.
WZ: See, we're #1. Nothing to worry about. Chicken Little's

Life in the WZ.

OL was certainly not dominated and I don't recall folks saying that after the game. Thought outside of the run game everyone was pretty pleased

Fans were noting constantly Richburg and Tomlinson getting dominated inside, McGlinchey struggled some too. Not horrific but I think fans were more surprised by the Bucs defense which was bad last year. However, in the OL thread, it was noted over and over we'd struggle against Vea and Suh.

In run blocking. Didn't see any issues from people around PP...which is what everyone has been griping about for 3 years.

Yeah, that is certainly the real deal issue and they were fine in context for sure. Let's keep that rolling!

They should be much better in the run game this week. No Vita Vea aka the Samoan run-stopping cheat code.

Pass blocking could take a dip. People are sleeping on Bengals' pass rush. It's legit as f.

Originally posted by Heroism:

They should be much better in the run game this week. No Vita Vea aka the Samoan run-stopping cheat code.

Pass blocking could take a dip. People are sleeping on Bengals' pass rush. It's legit as f.

They can get at you inside and off the edge

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Heroism:

They should be much better in the run game this week. No Vita Vea aka the Samoan run-stopping cheat code.

Pass blocking could take a dip. People are sleeping on Bengals' pass rush. It's legit as f.

They can get at you inside and off the edge

Yeah, if we have a PP grade this week I'll do backflips.

The one time I was happy to see him scramble!