49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Meanwhile the guy I wanted... Ryan Jensen handled Buckner all day.

And Malik Hooker had a huge day.

And Ronald Jones.

And Patrick Mahomes.

let me just pat pat pat myself on the back.

Oh, look a guard that's worth having. I thought those didn't exist NY.

Jensen is a C that I liked more than Richburg. PFF said he was awful last year but he sure looked good against us yesterday. :/

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Pass Pro was solid it was the interior run blocking that was god awful. Especially Richburg and Tomlinson.

Anyone know what happened here?

However, what the heck happened shortly thereafter? Is this a product of OL miscommunication and Weston Richburg still getting re-acclimated? Was Mostert supposed to pick up that blitz? He looked as stunned as the linemen facing the opposite direction. Free shot at Jimmy G. pic.twitter.com/1G8UTakFyb

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) September 9, 2019

KS said it was a terrible play call on his part as he didn't account for the extra rusher on that play. Essentially Mostert was left to block two people.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Jensen is a C that I liked more than Richburg. PFF said he was awful last year but he sure looked good against us yesterday. :/

I was thinking the exact same thing. I wanted Jensen slightly over Richburg but was happy with Richburg too. It looks like he's developing. I thought it was a heck of a battle between in the trenches for BOTH teams yesterday.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

That would be made up my dude. It's "absolute garbage" and that's not my quote, but I understand you need something to defend sub-par run-blocking.

Lol wow a player doesn't like using a grade system to determine if he played well.

Know what Lang doesn't know. Is those grades get analyzed (2x) by former coaches and players. Oops

I will keep saying that it's not th end all be all...but most of the time the players that played well (judging by watching) end up having a good grades. They don't care about names either. Buckner didn't have a great game and it shows in his grade. Richburg played poorly and the grade reflected it.

It's a long season there will be ups and downs. If you can't give credit to the offense actually having a good game in regards to PP (which they did) then you and I can't really have an objective convo.

You didn't read the article....it's not just one player.

"But they don't know anything about identification, what offensive linemen are supposed to do. They think if a guy blitzes off the edge, that's automatically the tackle's block, but a lot of times that's not the case. They've always graded me well, which I don't mind, but I still don't respect it," Lang said.

Apparently, most NFL players feel the same way.

"I know most of the guys that I've played with absolutely hate it, just because it's started to gain so much steam now where Sunday Night Football, Thursday Night Football, they're actually showing stats up there for the players," said Lang. "I think it's absolute garbage and I think most players do."

PFF hands out numerical grades based on qualitative analysis. This is what rubs Lang the wrong way. He feels the complexity of a linemen's job makes it impossible for an outsider to accurately evaluate it.

"I think some positions are easier to grade. If you see a quarterback make a bad decision, that's obviously easy to grade. But when it comes to offensive and defensive line play," he said, "there's just so much scheme that goes into what we do up front that nobody else outside of the building can possibly know what we're supposed to do.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Oh, look a guard that's worth having. I thought those didn't exist NY.

Jensen is a center and was a FA when richburg was...if you look back I wanted him. He's currently the 3rd highest paid center in football and played like crap last yr as well. He did play well yesterday.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Jensen is a C that I liked more than Richburg. PFF said he was awful last year but he sure looked good against us yesterday. :/

PFF has him as the 2nd overall center in football after week 1...

Originally posted by NCommand:

I was thinking the exact same thing. I wanted Jensen slightly over Richburg but was happy with Richburg too. It looks like he's developing. I thought it was a heck of a battle between in the trenches for BOTH teams yesterday.

He wasn't good last yr and was graded as such. I'll keep saying it PFF isn't the end all be all, but it is another variable to use when looking at players and how well they play.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

So consistency matters a grade on week 1 is sort of b******t right?

It's a week one grade, I don't know what to tell ya man. As the season goes on those grades will move up and down. Consistency as of week 1 is how they played in all their snaps in week 1 lol.

Again they played well overall in pass-protection yesterday. You can pretend they didn't, but they did. I mean they can go out next week and suck and I'm sure their PFF grade will reflect it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Jensen is a C that I liked more than Richburg. PFF said he was awful last year but he sure looked good against us yesterday. :/

PFF has him as the 2nd overall center in football after week 1...

Jensen or Richburg?

It really doesn't matter. I know what i saw and Jensen was much more formidable and opening up running lanes than Richburg.

PFF also had Kwon as our lowest rated player and we all saw how well he played.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Jensen or Richburg?

It really doesn't matter. I know what i saw and Jensen was much more formidable and opening up running lanes than Richburg.

PFF also had Kwon as our lowest rated player and we all saw how well he played.

Jensen.

Richburg didn't play well and his grade reflected it (25th overall). Fred and Kwon grade low vs the run and Kwon wasn't even ranked because he didn't play enough snaps.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

You don't have to tell me any thing. The fact that someone gets me to believe a crew of former coaches as they claim have all watched every snap of every player and broken down their individual performance wiht analysis less than 24 hours after a game seems pretty dubious and almost impossible to me.

But hey my opinion doesn't matter. I believe what players (and coaches) think since they actually play the game. Lang echos what I've heard other players say. Hey if you choose to believe PFF that's fine. No hate. Just a response that it's not necessarily this universally accepted authority on football performance.

How is that so mind boggling? It's not like it's two dudes down in a basement lol.

They have employees that are assigned to each team and they also have employees that are assigned to one position. They go though multiple eyes as well.

Each game is also graded by a second PFF analyst independent of the first, and those grades are compared by a third, Senior Analyst, who rules on any differences between the two. These grades are verified by the Pro Coach Network, a group of former and current NFL coaches with over 700 combined years of NFL coaching experience, to get them as accurate as they can be.

From there, the grades are normalized to better account for game situation; this ranges from where a player lined up to the dropback depth of the quarterback or the length of time he had the ball in his hand and everything in between. They are finally converted to a 0-100 scale and appear in our Player Grades tool.

When your job is to watch a certain team and a certain position, I don't feel like that's impossible to do. I showed you how they grade.

I mean whatever, you don't have to like it doesn't mean it's not a useful tool that gets used quit a bit.

I've also said over and over it's not end all be all on who's good and who's bad. I will say if you think that SF's OL overall wasn't good in pass-pro then I don't know what to tell you because outside of Richburg they were.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Meanwhile the guy I wanted... Ryan Jensen handled Buckner all day.

And Malik Hooker had a huge day.

And Ronald Jones.

And Patrick Mahomes.

let me just pat pat pat myself on the back.

Oh, look a guard that's worth having. I thought those didn't exist NY.

He's a C

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Pass Pro was solid it was the interior run blocking that was god awful. Especially Richburg and Tomlinson.

Anyone know what happened here?

However, what the heck happened shortly thereafter? Is this a product of OL miscommunication and Weston Richburg still getting re-acclimated? Was Mostert supposed to pick up that blitz? He looked as stunned as the linemen facing the opposite direction. Free shot at Jimmy G. pic.twitter.com/1G8UTakFyb

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) September 9, 2019

KS said it was a terrible play call on his part as he didn't account for the extra rusher on that play. Essentially Mostert was left to block two people.

Makes sense, I wonder if that's a thing Jimmy G should account for and audible or call a TO?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Jensen is a C that I liked more than Richburg. PFF said he was awful last year but he sure looked good against us yesterday. :/

I was thinking the exact same thing. I wanted Jensen slightly over Richburg but was happy with Richburg too. It looks like he's developing. I thought it was a heck of a battle between in the trenches for BOTH teams yesterday.

AGREE

Their new DC is doing an excellent job w/their DLIne.

Suh is still very tough.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Yep it was my typo.

Jk