49ers Offensive Line

Joe Staley 3rd overall tackle in pass-protection McG is 4th overall.

Tomlinson is 9th overall in pass protection.

Richburg needs to do better, his run-block grade was awful.

Terrible OL performances across the league in Week 1.

Getting JPP back will make that Bucs front formidable. Their secondary is trash though.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

AND guess who's the #1 ranked guard in football?!? (Per PFF)

Mike "motherf**kn" Person

PFF

Hey man, I don't really care if you like or dislike PFF it's a quantifiable source that's objective. They don't give a f**k about if you like or dislike Mike Person. He played good Sunday.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

No all you hear is hyperbole and this is game 1 of an entire season against a team that doesn't really have a pass rush. Regardless, I said PP was okay again with the qualifier that they didn't really take big shots down the field regularly. The supposed strength of the team is their run-blocking - and I've heard all off-season that - and I quote - "we don't need" great guards but we can use "average" guards to run this offense. I assume you're including running the ball with that assessment. Kyle ran more than he passed, just slightly which makes sense for a QB who hasn't played in a year. And let's face it, without a scoring defense we lose. Period. Don't break out the streamers and cake just yet.

7 first downs
6 rushing first downs
98 total yards rushing
3.1 yards per rush

An offense that relies on play-action passing off rushing won't be playoff bound on those stats. But I'm not panicking at all. I know their run game blocking will improve as it did by game 3 and 4 last year.

Absolutely give props to their DL, but why give props to DL talent that we'll see on a weekly basis. The "monsters" are anything but, more like the guys from around the block. You want to contend for a playoff spot, Suh and Vita are average when it comes to other teams with similar players who are also contending in the NFC. Welcome to trying to win.

Ya'll cried about PP issues and they went out there and protected the QB. All you can do is play who's in front of you. Of course it's week to week. But according to some (I'm not saying you) this team is s**t in regards to PP and they did their job their yesterday.

Arrow up!!!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Joe Staley 3rd overall tackle in pass-protection McG is 4th overall.

Tomlinson is 9th overall in pass protection.

Richburg needs to do better, his run-block grade was awful.

Meanwhile the guy I wanted... Ryan Jensen handled Buckner all day.

And Malik Hooker had a huge day.

And Ronald Jones.

And Patrick Mahomes.

let me just pat pat pat myself on the back.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Dude, we've talked about PFF and we've *proven* it's *not* a quantifiable source that's objective in this very thread.

Lol sure you have, yup it's total s**t to the pt that NFL and college teams use it as a source. It's not the end all be all BUT just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

ONE qb hit which was a blown blitz pickup from the backup RB.

Arrow up!!!!!!!

Don't look now but isn't that the goal posts moving back again! Haha

Don't tear your rotator cuff patting yourself on the back, water.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

PP was one of the primary issues we discussed, we talked about having better guard play. Did your average to below-average guards play well enough to win? And did Person's PFF score help him hold blocks?

Of COURSE, they didn't.

They did win yesterday, they did play well in PP overall. If we were gonna lose the game yesterday it was because of poor QB play and penalties. The offense didn't perform well BECAUSE they couldn't run the ball (which is the backbone of Kyle's offense like I've been saying). The OL overall wasn't good there BUT I've been told all that matters is PP.

Jimmy G, one of the worst grades at the Qb position yesterday and rightfully so, he didn't play well. Richburg played poorly and graded out poorly and rightfully so. Our WRs didn't play well and graded out poorly, rightfully so.

Spoon played lights out and graded out as the 4th overall CB in the league...rightfully so.

Pass Pro was solid it was the interior run blocking that was god awful. Especially Richburg and Tomlinson.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

What a s**tty assignment for Richburg to go against that big mofo Samoan Vita Vea in his first game back with no camp or preseason lol.

Yeah I was just rewatching it. DL moved the OL back 3 yards a ton (the whole LOS changed). 92, Suh and Vea just ate our line with mostly those 3 alone. We play more beast DT's so it won't get much easier but they better watch this film, then throw it in the garbage and build off it next week. I'm genuinely just happy Richburg survived. He did about what I expected after all that time off and that was a brutal draw for his first game back.

This is a regular occurrence in the NFL. And if we're talking about going to the playoffs, we're just going to need to accept that the road paved will be full of good to great DT talent the OL will have to handle. I'm not sure why this is a surprise to some. What DC wants weak DTs and it seems to be the (relative) easiest position to both draft and find FAs when compared to EDGE.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

ONE qb hit. All I've heard all off season is qb hit this qb hit that.

ONE qb hit and it was a blown blitz pickup from mustard that was a sack. They underperform as run-blockers, but those two DTs and Golston are monsters with the run D. Gotta give them props there

NY, i've Been one of those complaining about the awful PP that our QBs got. Not this game and i commented on it early on. Don't know which thread but one thing for sure, i was surprised and amazed that JG got such great PP. Kyle was noticing all the time. He just took action on it.

Now...as for Run blocking...WTF happened? Initially i wondered if it was kyle's playcalls. Or was it the D just knew what was coming? But get right down to it, and i bet in looking at film you see 3 OLs knocked back 2-3 yds on every running play and this added 3 more obstructions to get around. REally , if you look at film i bet that our own OLs were in the way, plus 3 massive guys from Tampa. There literally was NOWHERE to run. The RBs got the ball and BAM...they were hammered. How many times in the past have we seen our RBs stopped within seconds of receiving the ball. I can't remember once. This was a 1st half where i thot kyle would for sure put them away with clever playcalls. Instead, our guys got the ball and are slammed immediately.

Curious as to what kyle says was the cause of that. It could be just one massive DL that flat out over ran us. Having faster but smaller guys...well it appears there is a way to take away that advantage. Smash mouth football. And boy did they ever have it.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

That would be made up my dude. It's "absolute garbage" and that's not my quote, but I understand you need something to defend sub-par run-blocking.

Lol wow a player doesn't like using a grade system to determine if he played well.

Know what Lang doesn't know. Is those grades get analyzed (2x) by former coaches and players. Oops

I will keep saying that it's not th end all be all...but most of the time the players that played well (judging by watching) end up having a good grades. They don't care about names either. Buckner didn't have a great game and it shows in his grade. Richburg played poorly and the grade reflected it.

It's a long season there will be ups and downs. If you can't give credit to the offense actually having a good game in regards to PP (which they did) then you and I can't really have an objective convo.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

PP was one of the primary issues we discussed, we talked about having better guard play. Did your average to below-average guards play well enough to win? And did Person's PFF score help him hold blocks?

Of COURSE, they didn't.

They did win yesterday, they did play well in PP overall. If we were gonna lose the game yesterday it was because of poor QB play and penalties. The offense didn't perform well BECAUSE they couldn't run the ball (which is the backbone of Kyle's offense like I've been saying). The OL overall wasn't good there BUT I've been told all that matters is PP.

Jimmy G, one of the worst grades at the Qb position yesterday and rightfully so, he didn't play well. Richburg played poorly and graded out poorly and rightfully so. Our WRs didn't play well and graded out poorly, rightfully so.

Spoon played lights out and graded out as the 4th overall CB in the league...rightfully so.

Find one quote where I said PP was all that matters and I'll wait.

Dude that's all that's been talked about in this thread! Holy s**t lol.

Also I posted a grade about Person and the OL overall doing well at pass-blocking. That's it...Nowhere did I direct my comment to you! Yet you took it as such for some reason.

You can probably count on one hand the number of fans happy with their teams o line performances from week 1. Cowboys Patriots and Ravens.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Pass Pro was solid it was the interior run blocking that was god awful. Especially Richburg and Tomlinson.

Anyone know what happened here?