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Originally posted by libertyforever:
In the 2016-2017 season, what was so great about the Falcons offensive line? That Shanahan offense led the league in scoring and yards per play.

You'd have to research that and find out vs. assuming. I did notice last year Atlanta gave up a truck load of QB hits too and had similar Football Outsiders rankings. Then again, they were 7-9 and didn't make the playoffs either. Line play can change in spurts too. The NE line was pretty average for a while but were just lights out in the playoffs.

Maybe this system lends itself to more QB hits save for LAR.

2018 LAR are our goal for this OL in this system. They just lost a key G though so let's see if they drop off too now.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 2, 2019 at 11:53 AM ]
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
I think the LAR come back to earth for two reasons; 1) loss of guard talent and 2) Hoodie's defensive game plan will be replicated.

I hadn't thought about 2. Copycat league. Good point. I haven't kept up with their transactions on the OL. Anyone know who they lost and who they brought in?
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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
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But he is being him. LOL

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Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Go have a snickers CC

But he is being him. LOL

someone has to be him,. who the hell else would want that job

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
I think the LAR come back to earth for two reasons; 1) loss of guard talent and 2) Hoodie's defensive game plan will be replicated.

I hadn't thought about 2. Copycat league. Good point. I haven't kept up with their transactions on the OL. Anyone know who they lost and who they brought in?

The Rams also lost their starting center. And the game plan was first formulated by the Bears last year, they may try to counter it but we all know when Jared Goff gets pressured he is one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL. Luckily we will be getting a lot more pressure this year
Originally posted by dj43:
We all know that replacing Joe Staley is in our near-term future. How? When? We don't know.

I am going to suggest the FO has moved on that. Here is why I think that:

What has made Staley so good for so long is that he is really a bulked-up TE. He had the agility/footwork of a TE coming out of college. He added enough muscle to play the power game when needed. However, the key to his game is his feet. It not only works in PP but is ideal for outside ZBS.

So, the 49ers went looking for a converted TE that had good footwork and now needs to build into the pro game. With the signing of Ryan Pope to the PS, the 49ers now have two guys that fit the Staley mold. The other guy is Daniel Brunskill. Both are former TEs. The scouting report on Brunskill is that he has better feet than Pope but needs to add lower body strength to make power moves. That is nearly identical to Staley. The difference with Brunskill is that while Staley had multiple years at TE in college, Brunskill only has one. However, he showed great promise in that one year.

Pope is similar but according to scouting reports, does not have the foot skills of Brunskill. However, he has a bit more power. The choices made by Shanahan's staff confirms that Brunskill is ahead of Pope, but both have potential for the team.

In both cases, there is a pattern that has shown success and fits the Shanahan offense better than some bulldozer-type brought in just to fill a back-up roster spot. Now that all the camp fodder is gone, and reps are more concentrated, expect both of these guys to continue to improve and fill a legit role on the team.


Terrific post , DJ. Think about this...two studs at OT that can move, (with Brunskill and Pope in the pipeline, and both like Joe S in a former life, played TE.), added to 4 TEs, who are all good blockers, kittle being the exception as a 1st class blocker and best receiving TE in the league,, added to Au Jus and Hurd, who both can both block, run and catch passes.....and what do you have?

It sounds like a machine that blocks well, catches, well, runs well, paired with an OC who has no equal in today's game, and ends up being a bunch of heavies that can move, block, catch, and run. But they aren't Trent Brown heavies. They are in the fast but sturdy group, which makes it sound like an O none of us have seen before.

Really ,we have the equivalent of 6 TEs, all blockers, and 4 of which are known as good receivers. We also have 2 OTs who can move and block. Then we have a WR who is a TE and RB, plus a FB who can block like a TE , run like a RB and catch like a WR.

Now i ask you: what does this sound like in the very early beginnings? RZ? Goal line? I just don't see those as problems anymore. Sure there will be exceptions, but...when the RZ Defense loads the box we will have 4 guys on the field who can block or run...or receive a pass.

But mainly, if the above is true, this is starting to sound like the beginning of a juggernaut...and one not easily stopped. And strange as it seems it is based on TEs, not WRs, even tho we have 3 very good WRs...ok, exquisite ones. So a running based offense based on guys who also are great receivers. And at OT, we have not only Joe and McG who can move but also BRunskill and Pope, two OLs who were former TEs to work into the lineup when Joe hangs 'em up.

We all have been trying to figure out what kind of O kyle is running, and now DJ has kindly shown us the way.

If this isn't kyle's Plan, i bet it is darn close. Really well done, DJ. If this is truly kyle's Plan, remember DJ figured it out first. And...it just makes sense. Ok, i am finessing the QB protection here, but i bet all this is based on the ball being gone in under 2.0 seconds.
Originally posted by mitpdub:
True but:

We're fortunate to have Staley who's been with us what 13 years?

Tomlinson is a retread 1st rounder, and McGlinchy is young but solid.

Richburg has been injured and he came from the Giants who stunk up their own line and didn't bat an eye losing him.

Has Tomlinson sucked here? Seriously? He's been fine. Richburg wasn't coming back to NY it wasn't batting an eye, he wasn't resigning.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
FWIW it's clear as day what kyle wants his OL to do...run blocking.

That shanahan/McVay espn article you could see what they both wanted to do on offense... It all starts with running ball. Whether people want to admit it or not, it's true. McVay didn't have some elite IOL group and just let his best guard walk.

The run game, sets up the pay-action and allows him to run the personnel he wants. People wanting elite PP at the guard positions who require high end contracts and top 50 picks probably need to realize it's not happing.

Just looking at past teams and how they built this team, Kyle will take avg PP and top end run-blocking at the guard spot. Is what it is.

Never once did many of us use the term elite.I just want it to be clear, it's the argument your making, not the argument that's being made.

People don't require elite, you're saying elite.

The assumption is being made that we have average PP. That's okay. And here's where there's disagreement. You're calling average elite.

But none of it matters. It's time to prove if we have an average functional OL that's durable on average.

I said, McVay never had an elite IOL...never had top end prospects at all. That's the truth. He had one of the best offenses in the league and yet managed to do all that without these amazing guards and center. How so?

I never said our OL was elite, where did I state that? I've said Kyle prioritized having good OTs and a quality center. He values run-blocking. His offense is based around running the ball, running a scheme that allows him to dictate what the defense can do, and using play-action. Those are facts and that's all I stated.
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
I think the LAR come back to earth for two reasons; 1) loss of guard talent and 2) Hoodie's defensive game plan will be replicated.

I hadn't thought about 2. Copycat league. Good point. I haven't kept up with their transactions on the OL. Anyone know who they lost and who they brought in?

The Rams also lost their starting center. And the game plan was first formulated by the Bears last year, they may try to counter it but we all know when Jared Goff gets pressured he is one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL. Luckily we will be getting a lot more pressure this year

The lost their C and G? They're f**ked.
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Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
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But he is being him. LOL

someone has to be him,. who the hell else would want that job

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Originally posted by NinerGM:
I think the LAR come back to earth for two reasons; 1) loss of guard talent and 2) Hoodie's defensive game plan will be replicated.

We will see how McVay responds and adjusts to exactly this. This is what separates good coaches from great coaches.

I think he is a smart coach and will have an answer, but they are our rivals so hope I am wrong.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Totally agree.

Although the LAR only gave up 89 hits (11th) to our 125 (31st) and only 33 sacks (8th best) to our 48 (25th) and were 2nd best in stuffed runs to our 25th. We also only had 7 rushing TD's (32nd) to their 26 (2nd).

...and I didn't see many kill shots on their QB.

So in the meaningful offensive line stats, while the philosophies are parallel, the production was night and day different.

If Kyle can produce an OL like this, I'd be elated! And we'd certainly be a playoff team, no question.

But to your other point, like I said this off season, I'll say it again for next year, don't expect any changes to the OL. Kyle seems perfectly content with this starting 5 unit and lack of quantity and quality depth.

Odds are, it's going to cost him.

A couple things that can change it is obviously QB play and turnover ratio. LA was +11 and SF -25...you're setup for failure in that situation.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
I think the LAR come back to earth for two reasons; 1) loss of guard talent and 2) Hoodie's defensive game plan will be replicated.

I hadn't thought about 2. Copycat league. Good point. I haven't kept up with their transactions on the OL. Anyone know who they lost and who they brought in?

What guard talent did they have? Saffold wasn't some amazing guard until McVay got there. Sullivan wasn't known as a quality center until McVay either (currently out of a job).

One of the reasons BB stuffed McVay during the SB was because he couldn't run the ball.
Dan Feeney starting over Forest Lamp in LA. I'd look into what's up with that. Lamp has been injured and a disappointment in LA so far. Change of scenery might be good
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