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Originally posted by Heroism:Originally posted by thl408:Regarding pulling guards, here's an interesting play where Tomlinson pulled and made a nice kickout. It's a Counter Lead but ran to the strongside.
Niceee. That's a tricky play to read for the LBs because the wrapper's and trapper's flows conflict. The sneaky windback design for the wrapper(Juice).
Originally posted by thl408:
This is interesting to monitor, whether Kyle's OL will cutblock on the backside for outside zone. We did discuss this during the 2017 season. I hypothesized that they didn't cutblock so that their run blocks look like their pass blocks - everyone stays on their feet. I just took a look at some Alfred Morris/RG3 highlights and did not see the backside OL cutblock on outside zone (Kyle was OC), but that was some highlight clips.
Golitta, your point is valid because being able to cutblock is an agility block so perhaps he didn't ask Tomlinson/Fusco/Brown to cutblock because they aren't agile enough? We'll see. Let's hope it looks nothing like this lol
Some bad football in 1st Half of #SEAvsTEN game. Never 👀this before 👉🏻5 whiffed cuts & a fumbled snap Tough Times for @Seahawks OFFENSE pic.twitter.com/e3eBJD7j7R
— Shaun O'Hara (@ShaunOHara60) September 25, 2017
Originally posted by dtg_9er:Originally posted by thl408:This is interesting to monitor, whether Kyle's OL will cutblock on the backside for outside zone. We did discuss this during the 2017 season. I hypothesized that they didn't cutblock so that their run blocks look like their pass blocks - everyone stays on their feet. I just took a look at some Alfred Morris/RG3 highlights and did not see the backside OL cutblock on outside zone (Kyle was OC), but that was some highlight clips.
Golitta, your point is valid because being able to cutblock is an agility block so perhaps he didn't ask Tomlinson/Fusco/Brown to cutblock because they aren't agile enough? We'll see. Let's hope it looks nothing like this lol
Some bad football in 1st Half of #SEAvsTEN game. Never 👀this before 👉🏻5 whiffed cuts & a fumbled snap Tough Times for @Seahawks OFFENSE pic.twitter.com/e3eBJD7j7R
— Shaun O'Hara (@ShaunOHara60) September 25, 2017
In fairness, these were not cut blocks. They were dive blocks.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by thl408:
This is interesting to monitor, whether Kyle's OL will cutblock on the backside for outside zone. We did discuss this during the 2017 season. I hypothesized that they didn't cutblock so that their run blocks look like their pass blocks - everyone stays on their feet. I just took a look at some Alfred Morris/RG3 highlights and did not see the backside OL cutblock on outside zone (Kyle was OC), but that was some highlight clips.
Golitta, your point is valid because being able to cutblock is an agility block so perhaps he didn't ask Tomlinson/Fusco/Brown to cutblock because they aren't agile enough? We'll see. Let's hope it looks nothing like this lol
Some bad football in 1st Half of #SEAvsTEN game. Never 👀this before 👉🏻5 whiffed cuts & a fumbled snap Tough Times for @Seahawks OFFENSE pic.twitter.com/e3eBJD7j7R
— Shaun O'Hara (@ShaunOHara60) September 25, 2017
In fairness, these were not cut blocks. They were dive blocks.
Yes, dtg, but still sucking putrid. A great example of HOW NOT TO DO IT.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:Originally posted by thl408:This is interesting to monitor, whether Kyle's OL will cutblock on the backside for outside zone. We did discuss this during the 2017 season. I hypothesized that they didn't cutblock so that their run blocks look like their pass blocks - everyone stays on their feet. I just took a look at some Alfred Morris/RG3 highlights and did not see the backside OL cutblock on outside zone (Kyle was OC), but that was some highlight clips.
Golitta, your point is valid because being able to cutblock is an agility block so perhaps he didn't ask Tomlinson/Fusco/Brown to cutblock because they aren't agile enough? We'll see. Let's hope it looks nothing like this lol
Some bad football in 1st Half of #SEAvsTEN game. Never 👀this before 👉🏻5 whiffed cuts & a fumbled snap Tough Times for @Seahawks OFFENSE pic.twitter.com/e3eBJD7j7R
— Shaun O'Hara (@ShaunOHara60) September 25, 2017
In fairness, these were not cut blocks. They were dive blocks.
Originally posted by thl408:
I'll tweet the 11 year NFL veteran Center and let him know. He'll feel soo stoopid.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:hah! That gif wasn't appropriate anyway. We were talking about outside zone and SEA wasn't running outside zone there.
Originally posted by thl408:
I'll tweet the 11 year NFL veteran Center and let him know. He'll feel soo stoopid.
LOL! Yes, my HS team did this so much better!
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:hah! That gif wasn't appropriate anyway. We were talking about outside zone and SEA wasn't running outside zone there.
Originally posted by thl408:
I'll tweet the 11 year NFL veteran Center and let him know. He'll feel soo stoopid.
LOL! Yes, my HS team did this so much better!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:In fairness, these were not cut blocks. They were dive blocks.
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
In fairness, these were not cut blocks. They were dive blocks.
To my knowledge any block below the knee is cut block. A chop block is the old school "high low" block.
I think chop blocking at the LOS should be made legal again, it would allow offensive linemen to become the enforcers. When we had the chop, we didn't need the "Brady rule" or the targeting the head rule...the O-line would send a message in response.
Like in the National League, a pitcher comes in side, and when he comes to bat, he gets pitehed inside. The players police the game.
Anyway, I expect to see a lot more cutting or diving this season, along with more pulling and moving the pocket!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:Originally posted by GolittaCamper:Originally posted by dtg_9er:In fairness, these were not cut blocks. They were dive blocks.
To my knowledge any block below the knee is cut block. A chop block is the old school "high low" block.
I think chop blocking at the LOS should be made legal again, it would allow offensive linemen to become the enforcers. When we had the chop, we didn't need the "Brady rule" or the targeting the head rule...the O-line would send a message in response.
Like in the National League, a pitcher comes in side, and when he comes to bat, he gets pitehed inside. The players police the game.
Anyway, I expect to see a lot more cutting or diving this season, along with more pulling and moving the pocket!
I believe McKittrick's chop or cut block was meant to hit the thigh just above the knee as the blocker was lowering his shoulder. But the blocker was not suppose to fall flat on his stomach. Now, hitting exactly an inch above the knee is not guaranteed so it is still a dangerous block. It is also most effective coming from the side rather than straight on. This is also more dangerous. No perfect answer. But my issue is that a good passive block creates and maintains an obstacle to the ball. By passive I mean you are not trying to move the defender in a particular direction but just getting in the way of his pursuit.
Edit: Should have mentioned, bad coaching sometimes teaches players to fall down and look like the chop block was an accident. For me, that is a really dumb idea that is seldom successful. Same with roll blocking, as if the lineman rolling five feet after falling down is likely. Refs aren't going to buy it...or shouldn't!
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Bill Walsh ran the Vince Lombardi sweep, many say this is the perfect play, unstoppable if executed properly.
It is indeed near unstoppable, but it does hinge on a chop block on the defensive end.
A high low block that creates a pile at the end of the LOS, the tackle, the D end, and tight end form a pile that makes the defensive linemen I pursuit to clog the line backers lane, forcing the linebackers to take a wider angle of persuit.
This combined with good blocking from the fullback and two pulling guards insures the defenses first clean shot at the runner occurs 4-5 yards down field.
can't really run it as well anymore.
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
I believe this unit WILL(keyword) be the most improved unit and become one of our strengths on our team. 4 first round talents, and 1 second round pick as starters with great coaching will do some wonders.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
I believe this unit WILL(keyword) be the most improved unit and become one of our strengths on our team. 4 first round talents, and 1 second round pick as starters with great coaching will do some wonders.
Hope so! The key will be for them to jell quickly and improve the mobility of the unit. I recall Boone getting around the corner so slowly that he often had no one to block...or just stood their waiting. Drove me crazy. At least the other guys tried to hit someone. Never understood Boone becauses he seemed to get some things but was totally lost at others. Not a dumb guy from what I've read so...
