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Originally posted by Oilcan:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Funny how every reason the Niners fall short, it's always because the offensive line performance was poor, but outside of the 2021 offseason, little to no improvement.
That is not entirely accurate. They replaced Banks with Burford, a good prospect who has not yet stayed healthy long enough to really perform up to expectations. Puni was a major win. They've developed McKivitz into a top 10 RT. Signed Bartch. Unfortunately, he has been injured. Brendel, the "zone's" favorite whipping boy, has improved and now in the top half of centers. PFF rates all players and teams by the same metric, and love them or hate them, they rank our line #5. That's not bad. Could be better but...

It isn't like quality offensive linemen are just hanging from the lower branches waiting to be picked. As a group, it is the weak link on just about every team. Bo Nix, playing behind the Denver line ranked #1 overall, was sacked 22 times. Purdy and Jones combined were sacked 27 times, the same amount as Sam Darnold. Of QBs that played a full season, only Stafford and Caleb Williams were sacked less.

Right now we are all down as a result of the Seattle game but that was due in large part to Trent not being available. We still have a well-above average OL when everyone is healthy,

Having said that, restocking for depth and a future LT is a high priority.

"There aren't quality lineman just hanging waiting to be picked"

True, but could've easily drafted Zach Frazier over Ricky Pearsall in 2024.

...and we see how absolutely impotent the passing game is when there is no down-field threat to the defense,

…And it doesn't matter if you have a down-field threat, if the quarterback doesn't have time to get it to them. It kind of works both ways.

MacDonald's scheme is to commit 8 in the box to both stop the run and confuse the blocking assignments. It also puts 2-3 people in the path of the under routes that are so effective in Kyle's scheme. It is a double hammer. The threat of a deep threat forces the D to hold defenders deeper in the area which makes the job of the OL much easier.

Another thing that was glaringly apparent in the Seattle game was the lack of any man-beaters among the wideouts. Pearsall is the only WR on the team that can win quickly in a man scheme. JJ is good at contested catches but is a poor route-runner. That reality alone changes the defensive approach significantly.
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Atrain:
If Trent come back . Sign the Ravens Center Tyler Linderbaum in free agency .First Round Draft which is higher on your board a WR or Guard then Draft the opposite in the second round.3 Round Draft another o lineman who could play Guard or Tackle.Rest of the Draft find the best defensive players who could step on the field right away.

Yah gonna find lots of defenders in the late 4th round to step on field right away.

Well let's see Seahawks just found 5th round CB Woolen who is probably better than any CB we have .

Just found? He was drafted 4 years ago a regressed to the point they wanted to trade him and lost his starting position

You're wrong as usual he's back starting and just doesn't fit in the scheme of McDonald and is a free agent. But the Rams are the team to pick him up for next year
Lot of excuses for you being wrong, get over it

Nah you might want to look inward

Jobe has started the last 8 games. Maybe do some research and know what the f**k you are talking about if you are going to talk s**t

Dip $hit Woolen is the starting nickel but there you go again with double talk

Pathetic. You are so full of s**t. This is very basic info out there for anyone to look at
[ Edited by Hoovtrain on Jan 7, 2026 at 12:05 PM ]
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Not a big PFF guy…but
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2025-nfl-offensive-line-rankings

I agree pff is not that good but you posted anyways because you do a lot of double talk
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Not a big PFF guy…but
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2025-nfl-offensive-line-rankings

I agree pff is not that good but you posted anyways because you do a lot of double talk

It's ok bud, you were dead f**king wrong on Woolen, amongst other things, but instead of just accepting that you keep doubling down and making yourself look even dumber . He's their boundary corner and doesn't start slot so you can kindly stfu
[ Edited by Hoovtrain on Jan 7, 2026 at 12:16 PM ]
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Atrain:
If Trent come back . Sign the Ravens Center Tyler Linderbaum in free agency .First Round Draft which is higher on your board a WR or Guard then Draft the opposite in the second round.3 Round Draft another o lineman who could play Guard or Tackle.Rest of the Draft find the best defensive players who could step on the field right away.

Yah gonna find lots of defenders in the late 4th round to step on field right away.

Well let's see Seahawks just found 5th round CB Woolen who is probably better than any CB we have .

Just found? He was drafted 4 years ago a regressed to the point they wanted to trade him and lost his starting position

You're wrong as usual he's back starting and just doesn't fit in the scheme of McDonald and is a free agent. But the Rams are the team to pick him up for next year
Lot of excuses for you being wrong, get over it

Nah you might want to look inward

Jobe has started the last 8 games. Maybe do some research and know what the f**k you are talking about if you are going to talk s**t

Dip $hit Woolen is the starting nickel but there you go again with double talk

Pathetic. You are so full of s**t. This is very basic info out there for anyone to look at

Chill.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Not a big PFF guy…but
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2025-nfl-offensive-line-rankings

Ranked 5th best in the league? They are nowhere near Top 5 in the league. Maybe middle of the pack or a little better at best, and T. Williams continues to be a big reason for that.

That PFF 5th best ranking comes from the Niners playing teams like the Cardinals, Saints, Giants, Browns, Titans, and the fading Colts. When this OL plays against better teams having talented D-linemen (like Seattle), they get exposed big time. Unfortunately, we just saw in that last game how one-sided it can be (though missing Williams obviously didn't help).

The Bears played a similar schedule as the 49ers and wound up #3.

You play who you play and are graded accordingly.

Missing Trent was huge against Seattle. So was the lack of a downfield threat (Pearsall). That allowed MacDonald to commit 8 to the box much of the time, taking away the quick releases that take pressure off the OL.

Don't want to say anything more negative about the Niners' OL than the above, especially ahead of another tough DL matchup with what the Eagles bring. Hoping for the best, and really hoping Trent plays.

On the positive side, in addition to Trent, McKivitz and Puni as he's gotten healthier have definitely been bright spots. And, the line has had some good continuity going for the most part throughout this year.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Atrain:
If Trent come back . Sign the Ravens Center Tyler Linderbaum in free agency .First Round Draft which is higher on your board a WR or Guard then Draft the opposite in the second round.3 Round Draft another o lineman who could play Guard or Tackle.Rest of the Draft find the best defensive players who could step on the field right away.

Yah gonna find lots of defenders in the late 4th round to step on field right away.

Well let's see Seahawks just found 5th round CB Woolen who is probably better than any CB we have .

Just found? He was drafted 4 years ago a regressed to the point they wanted to trade him and lost his starting position

You're wrong as usual he's back starting and just doesn't fit in the scheme of McDonald and is a free agent. But the Rams are the team to pick him up for next year
Lot of excuses for you being wrong, get over it

Nah you might want to look inward

Jobe has started the last 8 games. Maybe do some research and know what the f**k you are talking about if you are going to talk s**t

Dip $hit Woolen is the starting nickel but there you go again with double talk

Pathetic. You are so full of s**t. This is very basic info out there for anyone to look at

Chill.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Yeah and I think that's why 4eva thinks he gets a post 1 cut or trade. Draft has some interesting guys as well

Yup i this McCoy gets cut with a designation because they dont have a lot of ways to cover their financial woes. 130 or so mil in dead cap. Just not a lot of maneuverable contracts.

McCoy fits what the 9ers do to a T. Thats why I like him so much
Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Funny how every reason the Niners fall short, it's always because the offensive line performance was poor, but outside of the 2021 offseason, little to no improvement.

maybe after the Eagles DLine kills us again, Shanahan and the FO will learn their lesson, but probably not

I would say the poor secondary was almost always the bigger reason. That and qb play that missed opportunities in the early days

Im no fan of Burford or Brendel and would like them replaced. But they are both better at their positions than either of our safeties and are on par with Green at corner.
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Hennessy should be brought back. He played well. Pleasants looks to be a solid backup and is a RFA and should be back. We could do worse than Colby as a backup guard. Burford should be cheap to be brought back.

LT- Trent Williams / Austen Pleasants
LG- Spencer Burford / Connor Colby
C- Jake Brendel / Matt Hennessy
RG- Dominic Puni
RT- Colton McKivitz

That's a pretty good solid Oline and they play great in Shanahan's scheme

Still thinking this?

Alot were after a few good games by the OL. What people dont seem to get is that if you going to evaluate performance you should look at more than a few games.
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Hennessy should be brought back. He played well. Pleasants looks to be a solid backup and is a RFA and should be back. We could do worse than Colby as a backup guard. Burford should be cheap to be brought back.

LT- Trent Williams / Austen Pleasants
LG- Spencer Burford / Connor Colby
C- Jake Brendel / Matt Hennessy
RG- Dominic Puni
RT- Colton McKivitz

That's a pretty good solid Oline and they play great in Shanahan's scheme

Still thinking this?

Alot were after a few good games by the OL. What people dont seem to get is that if you going to evaluate performance you should look at more than a few games.

Absolutely. I think you are underestimating how important quality receivers affect the offense as a whole.

You don't have the 7th most YPG, 10th most PPG and 5th most passing YPG with a weak Oline.

The Hawks didn't fear any of our receivers and we don't have anyone who can threaten a D on deep routes. The Hawks didn't have one player last 10 yards for the entire game which in turn took away the middle of the field and made Kittle and CMC useless.

I fully expect the Eagles to do the same.
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Still thinking this?

Alot were after a few good games by the OL. What people dont seem to get is that if you going to evaluate performance you should look at more than a few games.

Uh, yes? We have a very good pass blocking OL. I'm not sure how anyone that has watched all year (and not, as you said, 1 or 2 games) could come to any other conclusion
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Still thinking this?

Alot were after a few good games by the OL. What people dont seem to get is that if you going to evaluate performance you should look at more than a few games.

Uh, yes? We have a very good pass blocking OL. I'm not sure how anyone that has watched all year (and not, as you said, 1 or 2 games) could come to any other conclusion

Strong opinion. Lets see how they do against Philly.
Originally posted by ritz126:

So....running game. The staple of this offense? Something we absolutely need agsinst Philly on Sunday. How does the OL rank?
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