49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

I think Purdy should be making the line calls, and I've been hoping someone would push Brendel out but player after player they have tried at center seems to have not met Foerster and Shanahan's standards. Brendel seems slow and soft ... but there he stays.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

Wasn't trying to gaslight anyone. Perhaps ignoring the hyperbole would have been better.

I've been onboard with the call for a better center. It has puzzled me that we have stuck with Brendel so long. The obvious answer is the staff doesn't see a replacement in the house.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
How did we find a Center as good as Drew Moss as an UDFA? Why don't we use him at C also? Because Moss at C and Puni at G would be beastly. This guy blocks hard. His feet and recovery ability are great. Seems powerful and like a good athlete. Good technique too. Would love to see him as our starting C sooner rather than later.

So you liked him at C this preseason?

I believe they played him at Guard in the last game and he played super well. But he has Center experience and we need that. So Moss - C, Puni - G, Colby - G could be our interior for the future. That's a good to great young interior. Now if this team could just find a way to pick OT sometime. As Trent is getting older and McKivitz may leave in free agency. We have huge needs at OT. Yes I see Moss's future at C. Even though he didn't always play there this preseason. It seems to be his future.

What's his C history? Did he play C at all this preseason?

He did get snaps at center with the 49ers.

I wish Kyle would let Brock make the calls, then Moss could get in the game faster.

That starts to explain why the team held onto undrafted rookie Drew Moss on cutdown day. Moss and fellow rookie Connor Colby played guard throughout the spring and summer and held up well. While Colby's future is at guard, Moss' might be at center, which he hasn't played to this point. The 22-year-old might not have the length — 32 1/8th-inch arms — to be a full-time guard, but Foerster feels that's adequate for center. Moss is a project at that position, but he's someone to keep in mind when considering an heir to Brendel.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

Wasn't trying to gaslight anyone. Perhaps ignoring the hyperbole would have been better.

I've been onboard with the call for a better center. It has puzzled me that we have stuck with Brendel so long. The obvious answer is the staff doesn't seen a replacement in the house.

So you agree with me

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

I think Purdy should be making the line calls, and I've been hoping someone would push Brendel out but player after player they have tried at center seems to have not met Foerster and Shanahan's standards. Brendel seems slow and soft ... but there he stays.

Lol those standards don't appear to be very high.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

Wasn't trying to gaslight anyone. Perhaps ignoring the hyperbole would have been better.

I've been onboard with the call for a better center. It has puzzled me that we have stuck with Brendel so long. The obvious answer is the staff doesn't see a replacement in the house.

I wasn't talking to you with that. Just thought Scoots' line while sarcastic did do that in a way.

Brendel obviously wasn't an All Pro but as I said, he was closer to terrible than to All Pro. The PFF grades for OL especially hide a lot of good/bad depending on their rules and the mental mistakes that Brendel makes causing havoc on our offense definitely gets hidden. And the % of snaps also clouds the ranking system.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

Wasn't trying to gaslight anyone. Perhaps ignoring the hyperbole would have been better.

I've been onboard with the call for a better center. It has puzzled me that we have stuck with Brendel so long. The obvious answer is the staff doesn't see a replacement in the house.

I wasn't talking to you with that. Just thought Scoots' line while sarcastic did do that in a way.

Brendel obviously wasn't an All Pro but as I said, he was closer to terrible than to All Pro. The PFF grades for OL especially hide a lot of good/bad depending on their rules and the mental mistakes that Brendel makes causing havoc on our offense definitely gets hidden. And the % of snaps also clouds the ranking system.

Protection calls are always going to be questioned. Sometimes they are just wrong. Other times, the call is correct based on the pre-snap look but the defense has disguised the intent with the result the center gets the blame. No way we will ever know which is which. All that doesn't excuse Brendel. It is what it is.

As to PFF; the basic level gives the average fan a general look at how a player is doing in comparison to others in the same position. For that, it is fine. The premium level goes deeper and answers more questions. The one year I added that I didn't see the value there for what I wanted to know.

I watch OL play at lot, but it is impossible to know who is at fault when the defensive scheme works. All we see is an OL that gets beat and we get upset. Sometimes the mistake is obvious like when a player is beaten one-on-one. Other times we see a free runner but never know if it was good defense or bad offense. Just good grist for the mill.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

Wasn't trying to gaslight anyone. Perhaps ignoring the hyperbole would have been better.

I've been onboard with the call for a better center. It has puzzled me that we have stuck with Brendel so long. The obvious answer is the staff doesn't see a replacement in the house.

I wasn't talking to you with that. Just thought Scoots' line while sarcastic did do that in a way.

Brendel obviously wasn't an All Pro but as I said, he was closer to terrible than to All Pro. The PFF grades for OL especially hide a lot of good/bad depending on their rules and the mental mistakes that Brendel makes causing havoc on our offense definitely gets hidden. And the % of snaps also clouds the ranking system.

Protection calls are always going to be questioned. Sometimes they are just wrong. Other times, the call is correct based on the pre-snap look but the defense has disguised the intent with the result the center gets the blame. No way we will ever know which is which. All that doesn't excuse Brendel. It is what it is.

As to PFF; the basic level gives the average fan a general look at how a player is doing in comparison to others in the same position. For that, it is fine. The premium level goes deeper and answers more questions. The one year I added that I didn't see the value there for what I wanted to know.

I watch OL play at lot, but it is impossible to know who is at fault when the defensive scheme works. All we see is an OL that gets beat and we get upset. Sometimes the mistake is obvious like when a player is beaten one-on-one. Other times we see a free runner but never know if it was good defense or bad offense. Just good grist for the mill.

Agreed. I'm also just hoping Brendel's tough season last year was a result of some nagging injury(Feliciano kind of hinted at that) but boy was it frustrating watching him stand around blocking air while the QBs were getting drilled or RBs stopped behind the LOS.

I've been asking for Brock to make the protection calls in key moments. I think I'd rather the QB play out the play within what he believes is about to happen. Even if he's wrong I think that would lead to a better outcome than not being on the same page with Brendel's call. If Jalen Hurts is allowed to do it, I think Brock is more than capable of it. Too many breakdowns in key spots last year.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

Wasn't trying to gaslight anyone. Perhaps ignoring the hyperbole would have been better.

I've been onboard with the call for a better center. It has puzzled me that we have stuck with Brendel so long. The obvious answer is the staff doesn't see a replacement in the house.

I wasn't talking to you with that. Just thought Scoots' line while sarcastic did do that in a way.

Brendel obviously wasn't an All Pro but as I said, he was closer to terrible than to All Pro. The PFF grades for OL especially hide a lot of good/bad depending on their rules and the mental mistakes that Brendel makes causing havoc on our offense definitely gets hidden. And the % of snaps also clouds the ranking system.

Protection calls are always going to be questioned. Sometimes they are just wrong. Other times, the call is correct based on the pre-snap look but the defense has disguised the intent with the result the center gets the blame. No way we will ever know which is which. All that doesn't excuse Brendel. It is what it is.

As to PFF; the basic level gives the average fan a general look at how a player is doing in comparison to others in the same position. For that, it is fine. The premium level goes deeper and answers more questions. The one year I added that I didn't see the value there for what I wanted to know.

I watch OL play at lot, but it is impossible to know who is at fault when the defensive scheme works. All we see is an OL that gets beat and we get upset. Sometimes the mistake is obvious like when a player is beaten one-on-one. Other times we see a free runner but never know if it was good defense or bad offense. Just good grist for the mill.

Agreed. I'm also just hoping Brendel's tough season last year was a result of some nagging injury(Feliciano kind of hinted at that) but boy was it frustrating watching him stand around blocking air while the QBs were getting drilled or RBs stopped behind the LOS.

I've been asking for Brock to make the protection calls in key moments. I think I'd rather the QB play out the play within what he believes is about to happen. Even if he's wrong I think that would lead to a better outcome than not being on the same page with Brendel's call. If Jalen Hurts is allowed to do it, I think Brock is more than capable of it. Too many breakdowns in key spots last year.

I had hope for Nugent last year but he looked even worse than the worst of Brendel last year in the pre-season.

Now all my hope is Moss :)

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

Wasn't trying to gaslight anyone. Perhaps ignoring the hyperbole would have been better.

I've been onboard with the call for a better center. It has puzzled me that we have stuck with Brendel so long. The obvious answer is the staff doesn't see a replacement in the house.

I wasn't talking to you with that. Just thought Scoots' line while sarcastic did do that in a way.

Brendel obviously wasn't an All Pro but as I said, he was closer to terrible than to All Pro. The PFF grades for OL especially hide a lot of good/bad depending on their rules and the mental mistakes that Brendel makes causing havoc on our offense definitely gets hidden. And the % of snaps also clouds the ranking system.

Protection calls are always going to be questioned. Sometimes they are just wrong. Other times, the call is correct based on the pre-snap look but the defense has disguised the intent with the result the center gets the blame. No way we will ever know which is which. All that doesn't excuse Brendel. It is what it is.

As to PFF; the basic level gives the average fan a general look at how a player is doing in comparison to others in the same position. For that, it is fine. The premium level goes deeper and answers more questions. The one year I added that I didn't see the value there for what I wanted to know.

I watch OL play at lot, but it is impossible to know who is at fault when the defensive scheme works. All we see is an OL that gets beat and we get upset. Sometimes the mistake is obvious like when a player is beaten one-on-one. Other times we see a free runner but never know if it was good defense or bad offense. Just good grist for the mill.

Agreed. I'm also just hoping Brendel's tough season last year was a result of some nagging injury(Feliciano kind of hinted at that) but boy was it frustrating watching him stand around blocking air while the QBs were getting drilled or RBs stopped behind the LOS.

I've been asking for Brock to make the protection calls in key moments. I think I'd rather the QB play out the play within what he believes is about to happen. Even if he's wrong I think that would lead to a better outcome than not being on the same page with Brendel's call. If Jalen Hurts is allowed to do it, I think Brock is more than capable of it. Too many breakdowns in key spots last year.

Do we know Purdy isn't making some calls? I was of the impression that he did make some adjustments.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

Wasn't trying to gaslight anyone. Perhaps ignoring the hyperbole would have been better.

I've been onboard with the call for a better center. It has puzzled me that we have stuck with Brendel so long. The obvious answer is the staff doesn't see a replacement in the house.

I wasn't talking to you with that. Just thought Scoots' line while sarcastic did do that in a way.

Brendel obviously wasn't an All Pro but as I said, he was closer to terrible than to All Pro. The PFF grades for OL especially hide a lot of good/bad depending on their rules and the mental mistakes that Brendel makes causing havoc on our offense definitely gets hidden. And the % of snaps also clouds the ranking system.

Protection calls are always going to be questioned. Sometimes they are just wrong. Other times, the call is correct based on the pre-snap look but the defense has disguised the intent with the result the center gets the blame. No way we will ever know which is which. All that doesn't excuse Brendel. It is what it is.

As to PFF; the basic level gives the average fan a general look at how a player is doing in comparison to others in the same position. For that, it is fine. The premium level goes deeper and answers more questions. The one year I added that I didn't see the value there for what I wanted to know.

I watch OL play at lot, but it is impossible to know who is at fault when the defensive scheme works. All we see is an OL that gets beat and we get upset. Sometimes the mistake is obvious like when a player is beaten one-on-one. Other times we see a free runner but never know if it was good defense or bad offense. Just good grist for the mill.

Agreed. I'm also just hoping Brendel's tough season last year was a result of some nagging injury(Feliciano kind of hinted at that) but boy was it frustrating watching him stand around blocking air while the QBs were getting drilled or RBs stopped behind the LOS.

I've been asking for Brock to make the protection calls in key moments. I think I'd rather the QB play out the play within what he believes is about to happen. Even if he's wrong I think that would lead to a better outcome than not being on the same page with Brendel's call. If Jalen Hurts is allowed to do it, I think Brock is more than capable of it. Too many breakdowns in key spots last year.

Do we know Purdy isn't making some calls? I was of the impression that he did make some adjustments.

I believe he makes play call adjustments and will point out key players but protection calls are not on him

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

Wasn't trying to gaslight anyone. Perhaps ignoring the hyperbole would have been better.

I've been onboard with the call for a better center. It has puzzled me that we have stuck with Brendel so long. The obvious answer is the staff doesn't see a replacement in the house.

I wasn't talking to you with that. Just thought Scoots' line while sarcastic did do that in a way.

Brendel obviously wasn't an All Pro but as I said, he was closer to terrible than to All Pro. The PFF grades for OL especially hide a lot of good/bad depending on their rules and the mental mistakes that Brendel makes causing havoc on our offense definitely gets hidden. And the % of snaps also clouds the ranking system.

Protection calls are always going to be questioned. Sometimes they are just wrong. Other times, the call is correct based on the pre-snap look but the defense has disguised the intent with the result the center gets the blame. No way we will ever know which is which. All that doesn't excuse Brendel. It is what it is.

As to PFF; the basic level gives the average fan a general look at how a player is doing in comparison to others in the same position. For that, it is fine. The premium level goes deeper and answers more questions. The one year I added that I didn't see the value there for what I wanted to know.

I watch OL play at lot, but it is impossible to know who is at fault when the defensive scheme works. All we see is an OL that gets beat and we get upset. Sometimes the mistake is obvious like when a player is beaten one-on-one. Other times we see a free runner but never know if it was good defense or bad offense. Just good grist for the mill.

Agreed. I'm also just hoping Brendel's tough season last year was a result of some nagging injury(Feliciano kind of hinted at that) but boy was it frustrating watching him stand around blocking air while the QBs were getting drilled or RBs stopped behind the LOS.

I've been asking for Brock to make the protection calls in key moments. I think I'd rather the QB play out the play within what he believes is about to happen. Even if he's wrong I think that would lead to a better outcome than not being on the same page with Brendel's call. If Jalen Hurts is allowed to do it, I think Brock is more than capable of it. Too many breakdowns in key spots last year.

Do we know Purdy isn't making some calls? I was of the impression that he did make some adjustments.

Yeah the center makes the calls. I still remember seeing Hurts motion to one of his WRs in the SB to hit KC defense after spotting what they were doing.

I do understand Kyle's thought process. He thinks this way it allows QBs to not worry as much on stuff like that and just look for the answers on each play but I do think giving Brock that ability in key moments can be a big help. Like the 2 min warning in the SB. Yes the answer was there and Brock missed it but I also wonder if Brock read it his own way he may have been better able to respond in the moment. At minimum it would make us a little harder to break down.

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Heres my bold prediction, if the Oline stays relatively healthy they will be a top 10 Oline.

Would be a miracle, but imo Brendel is still terrible.

He's not terrible. He is an average NFL center. Last season he ranked #17 out of 40 centers who played the minimum number of snaps. His weakness has been in PP. Even there he ranks just ahead of Cam Jurgens in Philly. If he picked that up a bit, he would be fine.

On the zone anything short of all-pro is terrible.

Brendel was graded as the 36th center by PFF in pass pro last year(20% snaps as the cutoff)

If you bump the criteria as 80% of snaps played he is 18th...but only out of 22 centers who made 80% of their starts last year.

The other part that PFF can't grade are the pass protection calls which keep biting us in the butt in big moments. I've been harping on that all offseason and hoping it's something Kyle addresses and wasn't shocked that it was the call out defensive coaches had as the one knock against Kyle's offense.

My only hope is Brendel was dealing with injuries that weren't well reported last year. It is what it is now...but no reason to gaslight people into thinking he's a solid center who just isn't an All Pro. He was closer to terrible than All Pro last season.

Wasn't trying to gaslight anyone. Perhaps ignoring the hyperbole would have been better.

I've been onboard with the call for a better center. It has puzzled me that we have stuck with Brendel so long. The obvious answer is the staff doesn't see a replacement in the house.

I wasn't talking to you with that. Just thought Scoots' line while sarcastic did do that in a way.

Brendel obviously wasn't an All Pro but as I said, he was closer to terrible than to All Pro. The PFF grades for OL especially hide a lot of good/bad depending on their rules and the mental mistakes that Brendel makes causing havoc on our offense definitely gets hidden. And the % of snaps also clouds the ranking system.

Protection calls are always going to be questioned. Sometimes they are just wrong. Other times, the call is correct based on the pre-snap look but the defense has disguised the intent with the result the center gets the blame. No way we will ever know which is which. All that doesn't excuse Brendel. It is what it is.

As to PFF; the basic level gives the average fan a general look at how a player is doing in comparison to others in the same position. For that, it is fine. The premium level goes deeper and answers more questions. The one year I added that I didn't see the value there for what I wanted to know.

I watch OL play at lot, but it is impossible to know who is at fault when the defensive scheme works. All we see is an OL that gets beat and we get upset. Sometimes the mistake is obvious like when a player is beaten one-on-one. Other times we see a free runner but never know if it was good defense or bad offense. Just good grist for the mill.

Agreed. I'm also just hoping Brendel's tough season last year was a result of some nagging injury(Feliciano kind of hinted at that) but boy was it frustrating watching him stand around blocking air while the QBs were getting drilled or RBs stopped behind the LOS.

I've been asking for Brock to make the protection calls in key moments. I think I'd rather the QB play out the play within what he believes is about to happen. Even if he's wrong I think that would lead to a better outcome than not being on the same page with Brendel's call. If Jalen Hurts is allowed to do it, I think Brock is more than capable of it. Too many breakdowns in key spots last year.

I had hope for Nugent last year but he looked even worse than the worst of Brendel last year in the pre-season.

Now all my hope is Moss :)

Hence Moss and Colby already on depth chart while Nugent / Zakelj are not (will only and always just be PS bodies)

Q- Are we really going into the game today with no backup at OT? LOL