49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by frenchmov:
You're listening guys they paid ok money to. We have paid guys like hargrave, bosa, Ford, warner, etc top of market.

And again, regarding OL, I think everyone would agree to spending. My entire point was (for example) bosa earns more this year than the entire eagles front 7. He'll earn more next year than their entire front 7, and the year after that. Show me a time the eagles were paying ONE defensive lineman more than an entire front 7. They haven't.

When we start spending eagles level at OL, we can't afford guys like bosa and warner on paper.

They pay a bunch of dudes that were in the top 5-8 highest paid at one point. Cox was one of the highest paid DT for a while. Slay one of the highest paid CB. Hargrave wasn't making nothing in Philly lol. AJ brown making bank, Wentz getting paid to not be in Philly etc etc.

no one is saying SF has to sign Quentin Nelson to $100M either. How about something more than the scrap pile in FA?

Also, Who cares if Bosa's cap hit is huge THIS yr. They can do what Philly does all the damn time when cap hits get huge…restructure or extend. it's not like if they signed a decent FA OL his cap hit was gonna be some monster hit this yr. Look at freaking Hurts, signed an extension in 2023 and his cap hit isn't gonna break $40M until 2027!

the whole we can sign good players elsewhere is nonsense. We're leading the league in DM and are 3rd overall in cap space currently.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They pay a bunch of dudes that were in the top 5-8 highest paid at one point. Cox was one of the highest paid DT for a while. Slay one of the highest paid CB. Hargrave wasn't making nothing in Philly lol. AJ brown making bank, Wentz getting paid to not be in Philly etc etc.

no one is saying SF has to sign Quentin Nelson to $100M either. How about something more than the scrap pile in FA?

Also, Who cares if Bosa's cap hit is huge THIS yr. They can do what Philly does all the damn time when cap hits get huge…restructure or extend. it's not like if they signed a decent FA OL his cap hit was gonna be some monster hit this yr. Look at freaking Hurts, signed an extension in 2023 and his cap hit isn't gonna break $40M until 2027!

the whole we can sign good players elsewhere is nonsense. We're leading the league in DM and are 3rd overall in cap space currently.

We do the same thing as philly. We use the void years just like they do. That's how we ended up with $90m in dead money this year.

As for philly, they've never had a front 7 even in the stratosphere of cost that we had last year (add up bosa, warner, hargrave and Floyd).

So, considering we're always up against it cap wise, always one of the highest spending teams, and that we utilize void years at one of the highest rates in the league, I'm not sure I agree with your theory that we just go out and sign some $10m/year ol (which would be a mid level FA, if that, Moore and banks are not what I'd call great OL and got payed drastically more than that), and it would have no effect on anything else. Makes no sense.

Now, if you are saying sign a guy like Aaron banks to a $20m a year deal (which is what he got in FA) that's fine (I personally wouldn't but ok) but you're going to perhaps not be able to afford a guy who pops this year that we might want to extend.

I'm not disagreeing with more focus on OL (the draft). I'm disagreeing that we can just throw $$ at a mid level FA ($10m+ at least) and be unaffected elsewhere

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
I'm seriously rooting for Colby (starter) and even Moss as a solid backup

And then there's this If healthy and in shape, why not
https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/niners/2025/08/11/san-francisco-49ers-jon-feliciano-unretire/85608037007/

Conner Colby looked like a bulldozer out there in the run game. I can't believe how good he is for a late round pick and we need it.

As long as he stays away from Bartch's protein smoothies, he'll be fine

Originally posted by frenchmov:
We do the same thing as philly. We use the void years just like they do. That's how we ended up with $90m in dead money this year.

As for philly, they've never had a front 7 even in the stratosphere of cost that we had last year (add up bosa, warner, hargrave and Floyd).

So, considering we're always up against it cap wise, always one of the highest spending teams, and that we utilize void years at one of the highest rates in the league, I'm not sure I agree with your theory that we just go out and sign some $10m/year ol (which would be a mid level FA, if that, Moore and banks are not what I'd call great OL and got payed drastically more than that), and it would have no effect on anything else. Makes no sense.

Now, if you are saying sign a guy like Aaron banks to a $20m a year deal (which is what he got in FA) that's fine (I personally wouldn't but ok) but you're going to perhaps not be able to afford a guy who pops this year that we might want to extend.

I'm not disagreeing with more focus on OL (the draft). I'm disagreeing that we can just throw $$ at a mid level FA ($10m+ at least) and be unaffected elsewhere

Yes we do something similar and you can see how Philly makes it work. Like I said they got their $250M QB not hitting $40M cap wise until 2027.

yes Philly has had a highly paid top 7 in that DL at one point. They make it work overall and saying we can't "afford it" is a bunch of b******t.

what you consistently keep neglecting to see is im not saying you NEED to go spend top 3 money on a guard or whatever. Someone like Seumalo was a damn good OG, but wasn't getting paid Nelson money. I'm saying invest SOMETHING in the OL outside of teams cut candidates and late day 3 developmental picks yr after yr.

There is a middle ground and SF isn't even doing that. invest in a damn center to learn the offense and at the very least have competition at OG. Invest in a damn OT if you can't spend any money at the position (which simply isn't true). How many damn conditional picks has this team been given over the years and thrown in the trash basically?

Looks like we are finding good talent at guard the last two drafts. I wish they could upgrade center, but have read Kyle would never go for a rookie center.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Looks like we are finding good talent at guard the last two drafts. I wish they could upgrade center, but have read Kyle would never go for a rookie center.

Which is why we should have drafted one and let him develop for a year or two.
Like NY said they've had a bunch of third round comp picks over the years.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yes we do something similar and you can see how Philly makes it work. Like I said they got their $250M QB not hitting $40M cap wise until 2027.

yes Philly has had a highly paid top 7 in that DL at one point. They make it work overall and saying we can't "afford it" is a bunch of b******t.

what you consistently keep neglecting to see is im not saying you NEED to go spend top 3 money on a guard or whatever. Someone like Seumalo was a damn good OG, but wasn't getting paid Nelson money. I'm saying invest SOMETHING in the OL outside of teams cut candidates and late day 3 developmental picks yr after yr.

There is a middle ground and SF isn't even doing that. invest in a damn center to learn the offense and at the very least have competition at OG. Invest in a damn OT if you can't spend any money at the position (which simply isn't true). How many damn conditional picks has this team been given over the years and thrown in the trash basically?

Why do you bring up their QB? Our QB hits are t until later either.

And again, I never said the 49ers can't afford to pay OL. What I said is you can't just pay a random FA guy the market rate and expect not to get hit elsewhere. That's not debatable

Let's take this past free agent glass. Which guard or tackle would you have preferred we paid? Probably the cheapest was Mekhi Becton at $10m a year. Or would you have preferred Moore at $15m a year? What about Banks at $20m a year?

Those are who is available in FA to pay

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Looks like we are finding good talent at guard the last two drafts. I wish they could upgrade center, but have read Kyle would never go for a rookie center.

Which is why we should have drafted one and let him develop for a year or two.
Like NY said they've had a bunch of third round comp picks over the years.

To be fair they have tried basically every IOL they've added for the last 4 years at center and none have been able to take the job.

They better find a way to keep both Colby and Moss on the 53. For a team that lacks Oline depth they can't afford to let promising young Linemen go and get snatched up by someone else. And they say they want to get cheaper and younger, Well Colby and Moss fit both. Can't get much cheaper than a 7th Rounder and an undrafted guy.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Why do you bring up their QB? Our QB hits are t until later either.

And again, I never said the 49ers can't afford to pay OL. What I said is you can't just pay a random FA guy the market rate and expect not to get hit elsewhere. That's not debatable

Let's take this past free agent glass. Which guard or tackle would you have preferred we paid? Probably the cheapest was Mekhi Becton at $10m a year. Or would you have preferred Moore at $15m a year? What about Banks at $20m a year?

Those are who is available in FA to pay

I brought up their QB because they've paid TWO QBs top 5 deals at one point. They ate a massive DM hit for Wentz and their $250M QB currently doesn't even hit $40 (cap hit) until 2027 (on a 2023 extension).

I would have gladly paid James Daniels 3yrs $24M as a OG/C over Ferrell who got damn near the same deal. I would have paid Ryan Kelly 2 yr $18M.

these aren't backbreaking deals that mean we can't afford to pay guys like Warner or Bosa. It's ridiculous to assume that imo

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Looks like we are finding good talent at guard the last two drafts. I wish they could upgrade center, but have read Kyle would never go for a rookie center.

Which is why we should have drafted one and let him develop for a year or two.
Like NY said they've had a bunch of third round comp picks over the years.

To be fair they have tried basically every IOL they've added for the last 4 years at center and none have been able to take the job.

To be fair they haven't drafted a legit center ever. I don't even know if they've drafted a center. Outside of mcg they haven't spent over a 5th rd pick on a OT. IMO that's not a recipe for success to maintain a quality OL

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Looks like we are finding good talent at guard the last two drafts. I wish they could upgrade center, but have read Kyle would never go for a rookie center.

Which is why we should have drafted one and let him develop for a year or two.
Like NY said they've had a bunch of third round comp picks over the years.

To be fair they have tried basically every IOL they've added for the last 4 years at center and none have been able to take the job.

To be fair they haven't drafted a legit center ever. I don't even know if they've drafted a center. Outside of mcg they haven't spent over a 5th rd pick on a OT. IMO that's not a recipe for success to maintain a quality OL

Funny thing about that ... the list of the best centers in team history in my mind is all but one players drafted as guards. Randy Cross, Jesse Sapolu, Jeremy Newberry, Eric Heitmann ... were all drafted as guards, and 2 of them were 2nd round picks. The lone exception is Forrest Blue who was a center taken in the 1st round so long ago he retired when I'd been watching football for 2 years but didn't play for the 49ers while I was following them. Bobb was like Foerster there too ... he liked veterans at C.

Marcus Martin was a bust ... I think he's the latest attempt at drafting a C in the first 2 days of the draft. But I may have forgotten someone.

Originally posted by Scoots:
Funny thing about that ... the list of the best centers in team history in my mind is all but one players drafted as guards. Randy Cross, Jesse Sapolu, Jeremy Newberry, Eric Heitmann ... were all drafted as guards, and 2 of them were 2nd round picks. The lone exception is Forrest Blue who was a center taken in the 1st round so long ago he retired when I'd been watching football for 2 years but didn't play for the 49ers while I was following them. Bobb was like Foerster there too ... he liked veterans at C.

Marcus Martin was a bust ... I think he's the latest attempt at drafting a C in the first 2 days of the draft. But I may have forgotten someone.

I mean, I don't really care about past regimes to backup how we should or shouldn't draft in 2025.

Just because we drafted Brock in the 7th rd doesn't mean if we ever need a FQB again, we should wait until the 7th rd to do it.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with investing legit picks at center/OT. Those position groups are actually pretty damn important to this scheme….and if Kyle just can't fathom the idea of a rookie being a starting center (with all the protection calls) then fork over some cash there. It helps the whole OL and QB. It's not like C is some highly paid position compared to other positions

FWIW I'm not pro use a top 50 pick on a OG. Never have been. OT and center matter more here. Use some draft capital and spend a little money there. We've throw away tons of comp picks over the past couple yrs. You can never have too many good OL/DL guys.

I'm feeling pretty good about our starting line and OG depth with Colby and Moss.
Backup T is just very worrisome

Originally posted by Niners418:
I'm feeling pretty good about our starting line and OG depth with Colby and Moss.
Backup T is just very worrisome

Backup T is scary as hell...hoping we make a move either via FA(maybe Wills once he heals up) or trade.

I still worry about Brendel though. Really praying his issue last year was due to injuries.