49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
So basically its Staley- Beadles- Kilgore- Garnett- Brown. I think our run game will be stellar but our pass blocking will be my only worry. I guess it helps that Kelly's system will have the QB getting rid of the ball quickly anyways

have we seen anything to suggest Garnett playing RG?

I just see him only at LG

He said he's played both and it's no big deal. Beadles said he's only played left. 2+2, I guess.

I wouldn't sleep on Tiller beating out Beadles and staying on the right, with Garnett on the left. Just depends how much emphasis is placed on speed over power.

yeah so i guess it depends on who wins between Tiller and Beadles. Lets not count out Thomas either. If we learned anything from last year, Tomsula and Co. had no idea how to assess OL talent and who should start. Definitely if Beadles wins, he will take the LG spot and Garnett will move over to RG. Tiller wins, he gets RG and Garnett moves to LG. Thomas wins, who knows.

The signing of Beadles and drafting of Garnett really solidified our starting OL. Like many of you have said, a healthy Kilgore will be key. I firmly believe Trent Brown will start at RT...for Staley to say the things he has about him makes me excited about what TB can do. I like the two OT's Baalke drafted, too. Theus was a 4-yr starter for GA and when you do that, it says you're a good player. I'm a little more enthusiastic about Cooper, though. Like Garnett, he brings some nasty to our OL and can play at any of the 4 positions besides C. They'll need to find someone who can back Kilgore up and I'm not sure Martin's that guy. He could step up, and hopefully he will. Competition for roster spots will be pretty intense...but that's a good thing. Overall, I'm optimistic our OL can and will turn things around. You have to like the depth a ton better going into this season than 2015.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
So basically its Staley- Beadles- Kilgore- Garnett- Brown. I think our run game will be stellar but our pass blocking will be my only worry. I guess it helps that Kelly's system will have the QB getting rid of the ball quickly anyways

I think the biggest question marks on the Oline will be how Brown and Garnett hold up on obvious passing downs/blitzes to their side.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
If Kilgore can stay healthy we will be in decent shape.

Right, it's been a while since we saw a healthy Kilgore. Last year when he came back he was clearly still shaking off the rust. Even then, he was still much better than Martin. Hope he bounces back and looks like the guy he was pre-injury.

Agree

If Kilgore returns to the way he played just prior to his injury - we'll be in better shape.

Still have no faith in Martin.

I hope he worked his butt of this off season.

Believing that these rookies will come in and stave off these veteran fully developed NFL D-linemen is comical. They will need time to develop, and if they didn't they would have been taken much higher in the draft. T is one of the most difficult positions to play in the NFL.

I hate saying this but couldn't we put Thomas on the P.S.?

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

I hate saying this but couldn't we put Thomas on the P.S.?

Technically, we could, if he cleared waivers.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

I hate saying this but couldn't we put Thomas on the P.S.?

Do you really trust that the coaching staff last year evaluated him properly? I dont.


I hope he ends up returning to his previous form where he completely locked down a pre-injury Clowney. If he wound up as a starter I wouldnt be the least bit surprised. He was looked at as an early 2nd rounder prior to his injury so hopefully he gets it together.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

I hate saying this but couldn't we put Thomas on the P.S.?

Do you really trust that the coaching staff last year evaluated him properly? I dont.


I hope he ends up returning to his previous form where he completely locked down a pre-injury Clowney. If he wound up as a starter I wouldnt be the least bit surprised. He was looked at as an early 2nd rounder prior to his injury so hopefully he gets it together.

Hard not to wonder about, truthfully. This is the same staff that left Devey in there even AFTER Tiller had proven to be a vastly superior player. From the get-go, the players questioned the lineup choice. I won't harp on the Trenton Brown. He probably started a little later than he should've, but I imagine he probably wasn't ready until mid-season.

The Devey thing was just inexcusable. Here's to hoping Thomas, almost 3 years removed from the ACL injury, comes in and shows he can be the player he was expected to be coming out of Clemson.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

I hate saying this but couldn't we put Thomas on the P.S.?

Do you really trust that the coaching staff last year evaluated him properly? I dont.


I hope he ends up returning to his previous form where he completely locked down a pre-injury Clowney. If he wound up as a starter I wouldnt be the least bit surprised. He was looked at as an early 2nd rounder prior to his injury so hopefully he gets it together.

Hard not to wonder about, truthfully. This is the same staff that left Devey in there even AFTER Tiller had proven to be a vastly superior player. From the get-go, the players questioned the lineup choice. I won't harp on the Trenton Brown. He probably started a little later than he should've, but I imagine he probably wasn't ready until mid-season.

The Devey thing was just inexcusable. Here's to hoping Thomas, almost 3 years removed from the ACL injury, comes in and shows he can be the player he was expected to be coming out of Clemson.

Also the same staff that didn't use B.E. After he made plays when he got an opportunity. The same staff that started acker over donate, even though donate played better when given an opportunity. They also started the year with tramaine Brock playing the nickel corner instead of ward. And the staff that used brooks and Aaron Lynch in coverage more than rushing the passer for the first 4 weeks. Oh not to mention barely using AA.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
I hate saying this but couldn't we put Thomas on the P.S.?

Do you really trust that the coaching staff last year evaluated him properly? I dont.


I hope he ends up returning to his previous form where he completely locked down a pre-injury Clowney. If he wound up as a starter I wouldnt be the least bit surprised. He was looked at as an early 2nd rounder prior to his injury so hopefully he gets it together.

Hard not to wonder about, truthfully. This is the same staff that left Devey in there even AFTER Tiller had proven to be a vastly superior player. From the get-go, the players questioned the lineup choice. I won't harp on the Trenton Brown. He probably started a little later than he should've, but I imagine he probably wasn't ready until mid-season.

The Devey thing was just inexcusable. Here's to hoping Thomas, almost 3 years removed from the ACL injury, comes in and shows he can be the player he was expected to be coming out of Clemson.

This and that!

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
I hate saying this but couldn't we put Thomas on the P.S.?

Do you really trust that the coaching staff last year evaluated him properly? I dont.


I hope he ends up returning to his previous form where he completely locked down a pre-injury Clowney. If he wound up as a starter I wouldnt be the least bit surprised. He was looked at as an early 2nd rounder prior to his injury so hopefully he gets it together.

Hard not to wonder about, truthfully. This is the same staff that left Devey in there even AFTER Tiller had proven to be a vastly superior player. From the get-go, the players questioned the lineup choice. I won't harp on the Trenton Brown. He probably started a little later than he should've, but I imagine he probably wasn't ready until mid-season.

The Devey thing was just inexcusable. Here's to hoping Thomas, almost 3 years removed from the ACL injury, comes in and shows he can be the player he was expected to be coming out of Clemson.

One of the things that is hard to measure is heart and desire or the mind. Sometimes people get psyched by an injury. Especially if they never had a serious injury. As the goes, why do we fall/fail, so we can learn to pick our selves up. Gore was a good example. Others can't deal with it and wonder and doubt themselves, can they come back, always wondering if they hear something or feel something- they play scared. Some are relentless in coming back that it maybe a detriment to themselves, like Jerry Rice.

Originally posted by toppdogg32:
I'd say Tiller be the 1st guy off the bench at either guard spot, providing phenominal depth. And with Beadles being a vet, Tiller can start 2017/2018. I don't see this as a shame or a problem, but that we SOLVED the Guard position finally after loosing Iupati and Boone. were finally 2012-2015 solid at the position AGAIN!

Beadles signed for 3 years, but after two, I expect Tiller to take over in the future, just like our safety position. There is also the possibility that Beadles becoming the emergency center because of his experience.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
A couple questions:

1. Is Kilgore healthy?

2. Is he or has he regained his starter status?

3. Can Zane, Garnett, or tiller play OC?

4. Will that be necessary to get the 5 best OLs on the field?

I wonder about just how good Kilgore is. When not injured, it looked like he got pushed around. Is he still the best bet at OC? If not, it will show up early and often. I still think we get an OC FA who is a late cut by their team ...and HE starts. IMO.

Good questions, which I'll take a stab at...

1) I believe they would have drafted a center if they though Kilgore was unhealthy...but who knows, he could have another relapse...or another injury.
2) Same as above, unless they have someone else on the roster who is capable...and I doubt they would take a chance on Martin as the starter again.
3) I believe Tiller has played a bit at center and one write up on Garnett said he could play any interior position. But that wouldn't be the best choice.
4) My guess--Staley/Garnett/Kilgore/Beadles/Brown starting with Rookie/Tiller/Martin/Thomas/Rookie backing up. The two OTs drafted can both play OG.

Edit: Kilgore was one of our top graded OL before his injury and so much better than Martin that they must be OK with him. The only other alternative I could see is Garnett or Tiller playing center while the other plays OG.

49ers history has always had the guard move to center. I do question Kilgore's health and worry about that. We will see in the preseason as to how the intends to handle the situation. Cause if he goes down we are in trouble.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Also the same staff that didn't use B.E. After he made plays when he got an opportunity. The same staff that started acker over donate, even though donate played better when given an opportunity. They also started the year with tramaine Brock playing the nickel corner instead of ward. And the staff that used brooks and Aaron Lynch in coverage more than rushing the passer for the first 4 weeks. Oh not to mention barely using AA.

They probably don't like him just giving away completions