49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Results should be the #1 factor....

If this were the case, the FailFive would be subscribing to the tier 1 SME's, huh? Nope.

you don't even subscribe lol

you don't like results, you're just hanging your hat on an article from Aug.

I'm hanging on end results when those results were proven annually by SME's who evaluated those OL's in tier 1.

But you stick to those micro stats. That's OK.

you just revealed that you have no idea what you are talking about

Hanging your hat on talent eval from August and not actual play.. lol

August. Mid season. End season. Playoffs. Just like what PFF does.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
All I know is when we face the better d lines ...the offensive line shows it's weaknesses. Kyle schemes a lot of it to a minimum, but yeah...those playoff defenses can be handful.

I want to see Banks back and Feliciano at RG. Maybe Moore at RT? He surprisingly looked way more competent filling in for Trent.

That's because your smart and actually watch the games and can clearly see that burford sucks, mckivitz is inconsistent. Even brendel sometimes wiffs badly. Banks and Trent are the only ones any good.

Burford shouldn't be in the NFL and mckivitz and brendel should be backups/ are below average.

It's not that hard to see except for I guess our line coach... I'd rather gamble that Moore or manning or feliciano cam be a worse turn style than burford than knowingly keep a turnstile in the game...

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm hanging on end results when those results were proven annually by SME's who evaluated those OL's in tier 1.

But you stick to those micro stats. That's OK.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Or the 5 fans left in here.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I would argue that the 49ers O line has faced slightly tougher pass rushes than the eagles. 49ers have faced the 7th, 18th, 14th, 29th, 3rd, 1st, 31st 6th and 28th ranked pass rushes. That averages out to 15th ranked overall. The eagles have faced the 30th, 31st, 19th, 24th, 18th, 5th, 8th, 24th and 3rd ranked pass rushes. That averages out to 18th ranked overall. So the 49ers have faced better pass rushes overall and have given up less sacks with a lower sack%.

So you're pivoting to ranks?

Let me ask you one simple question.

Do you think this OL is good enough to win a Superbowl as it's constructed right now (including a healthy Banks)?

I am not the one who favors rankings heavily over results. I merely used rankings to make a point about 49ers pass pro vs eagles pass pro. Results still reign supreme in my book.

Yes. I do believe we have a good enough team, which includes the O line, to win the SB this season.

Cue the canned condescending response 😂

He brought up the secondary in response to that post. Basically saying that O line and secondary will be what holds us back. PHI's secondary has been one of the worst in the NFL this seasson. They have given up more passing yards, more YPA and only have 4 INT's to our 13.

Lol it's what he does, only OL for years. Then it was just recently OL+QB…now it's OL+Secondary. He's really covering his bases. I won't even get into all the micro stats (probably heard that s**t on a podcast and now just repeats it incessantly) like sacks and QB hits he shoved down our throats for years until they no longer were applicable. What's funny is he shifted over to pressures after you did a bunch of legwork, but once you disagreed with him you were no longer a SME 😂.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Its crazy because each one of those stats is like 1 piece to the puzzle. If you put all the pieces together, it creates a detailed picture. Or think of a micro stat as 1 pixel. 1 pixel alone might be meaningless but when you have a collection of them, it forms an image. Rankings, unless given a detailed formula with how they came up with the them, is meaningless and therefor holds less weight in a debate.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Its crazy because each one of those stats is like 1 piece to the puzzle. If you put all the pieces together, it creates a detailed picture. Or think of a micro stat as 1 pixel. 1 pixel alone might be meaningless but when you have a collection of them, it forms an image. Rankings, unless given a detailed formula with how they came up with the them, is meaningless and therefor holds less weight in a debate.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Or the 5 fans left in here.

Because I or others have never criticized Burford?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Its crazy because each one of those stats is like 1 piece to the puzzle. If you put all the pieces together, it creates a detailed picture. Or think of a micro stat as 1 pixel. 1 pixel alone might be meaningless but when you have a collection of them, it forms an image. Rankings, unless given a detailed formula with how they came up with the them, is meaningless and therefor holds less weight in a debate.

that's a good post, and well said,
i do think the eye test, you immediately get all the pixels

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Or the 5 fans left in here.

Because I or others have never criticized Burford?

Exactly. No one in here is saying that Burford has played well. But its not about 1 out of 5, its about the results of all 5 as a whole. The fact of the matter is that PHI's tier 1 O line hasn't helped Hurts be a better QB than Brock and it certainly hasn't made them better in the run game.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Thats exactly why i brought up how large is the gap between us and them.

NC the SME can't explain or give any detail .. As bad as it may be, we've done far better than philly.

I'm not saying we're the best OL, but maybe Philly is given a little too much credit

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Thats exactly why i brought up how large is the gap between us and them.

NC the SME can't explain or give any detail .. As bad as it may be, we've done far better than philly.

I'm not saying we're the best OL, but maybe Philly is given a little too much credit

what's an SME?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Or the 5 fans left in here.

Because I or others have never criticized Burford?

Exactly. No one in here is saying that Burford has played well. But its not about 1 out of 5, its about the results of all 5 as a whole. The fact of the matter is that PHI's tier 1 O line hasn't helped Hurts be a better QB than Brock and it certainly hasn't made them better in the run game.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Or the 5 fans left in here.

Because I or others have never criticized Burford?

Exactly. No one in here is saying that Burford has played well. But its not about 1 out of 5, its about the results of all 5 as a whole. The fact of the matter is that PHI's tier 1 O line hasn't helped Hurts be a better QB than Brock and it certainly hasn't made them better in the run game.

Thats exactly why i brought up how large is the gap between us and them.

NC the SME can't explain or give any detail .. As bad as it may be, we've done far better than philly.

I'm not saying we're the best OL, but maybe Philly is given a little too much credit

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Its crazy because each one of those stats is like 1 piece to the puzzle. If you put all the pieces together, it creates a detailed picture. Or think of a micro stat as 1 pixel. 1 pixel alone might be meaningless but when you have a collection of them, it forms an image. Rankings, unless given a detailed formula with how they came up with the them, is meaningless and therefor holds less weight in a debate.

that's a good post, and well said,
i do think the eye test, you immediately get all the pixels

The eye test is like tunnel vision anyway. You cannot watch 13 games every Sunday in order to compare our players to the rest of the league. Well, I don't have that kind of time on my hands anyway.