49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
what seperates Philly OL vs the 49ers OL ?

I mean their OL is better than ours. Not because they're all high end draft picks…but let's keep it real they got a good OL. Coaching/developing and scouting.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
what seperates Philly OL vs the 49ers OL ?

I mean their OL is better than ours. Not because they're all high end draft picks…but let's keep it real they got a good OL. Coaching/developing and scouting.

coaching/developing/scouting has been said before about past teams who had top OLs, but those teams don't really have good OLs for a long time.

but what actually separates them from us?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
coaching/developing/scouting has been said before about past teams who had top OLs, but those teams don't really have good OLs for a long time.

but what actually separates them from us?

They have a better RT/Center/LG and when Jurgens comes back better RG.

it's not close dude. They have one of if not the best OL coaches in the NFL. We have a damn good one, but Jeff Stoutland is a stud.

overall we are below avg to bad everywhere outside of LT. Our scheme masks a lot of the problems, but let's not act like they're not there.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
coaching/developing/scouting has been said before about past teams who had top OLs, but those teams don't really have good OLs for a long time.

but what actually separates them from us?

They have a better RT/Center/LG and when Jurgens comes back better RG.

it's not close dude. They have one of if not the best OL coaches in the NFL. We have a damn good one, but Jeff Stoutland is a stud.

but that is all opinion.

What is the measuring stick to shows they are better. What can be measured to show they are better ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
but that is all opinion.

What is the measuring stick to shows they are better. What can be measured to show they are better ?

Dude like every single offensive line statistical data point lol. Our OG are damn near last in the league in PBLK. Our center is ranked 32nd. Colton is the 77th ranked OT overall.

as a unit we rank 22nd in PBWR and Philly is 5th. They're 1st in RBWR. We're like 17th. Brock is pressured a f**k ton and they're plenty of data/film backing it up. Our scheme masks some of it. True pass sets we suck as an offensive line unit. That's not an option, that's reality.

look I know you love your Niners, we all do…don't be naive about it. We can all call a spade a spade. Acting like Philly's OL is the same as SF's is foolish. I'm not gonna debate that…that's like saying Mac Jones is as good as Joe burrow.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
but that is all opinion.

What is the measuring stick to shows they are better. What can be measured to show they are better ?

Dude like every single offensive line statistical data point lol. Our OG are damn near last in the league in PBLK. Our center is ranked 32nd. Colton is the 77th ranked OT overall.

as a unit we rank 22nd in PBWR and Philly is 5th. They're 1st in RBWR. We're like 17th. Brock is pressured a f**k ton and they're plenty of data/film backing it up. Our scheme masks some of it. True pass sets we suck as an offensive line unit.

look I know you love your Niners, we all do…don't be naive about it. We can all call a spade a spade. Acting like Philly's OL is the same as SF's is foolish. I'm not gonna debate that…that's like saying Mac Jones is as good as Joe burrow.

again that is opinions and rankings, which don't tell the entire story. less the a % point can seperate 10 teams in certain categories.

data/Film... if you want to go by pressure, Brock had the most time to throw this past weekend (Yac stats). Brock likes to go deep and holds it a little longer. Holding the ball longer is going to get pressure. it doesn't mean brock was running for his life on every play or the game would have a different outcome.

it's cool if you don't know what separates them from us and go by what the media says. This is the reason why i brought this up to get some real data.. not rankings or media popularity

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
coaching/developing/scouting has been said before about past teams who had top OLs, but those teams don't really have good OLs for a long time.

but what actually separates them from us?

They are bigger. The average weight of the Eagles O-line is 327.6 lbs. For us is 309 lbs.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
or the OL that gets to hold and not get called the most lol

So your talking about the superbowl and the quiefs, yeah that sucked. If I held a woman like they held Bosa I'd be doing time.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
but that is all opinion.

What is the measuring stick to shows they are better. What can be measured to show they are better ?

Dude like every single offensive line statistical data point lol. Our OG are damn near last in the league in PBLK. Our center is ranked 32nd. Colton is the 77th ranked OT overall.

as a unit we rank 22nd in PBWR and Philly is 5th. They're 1st in RBWR. We're like 17th. Brock is pressured a f**k ton and they're plenty of data/film backing it up. Our scheme masks some of it. True pass sets we suck as an offensive line unit.

look I know you love your Niners, we all do…don't be naive about it. We can all call a spade a spade. Acting like Philly's OL is the same as SF's is foolish. I'm not gonna debate that…that's like saying Mac Jones is as good as Joe burrow.

again that is opinions and rankings, which don't tell the entire story. less the a % point can seperate 10 teams in certain categories.

data/Film... if you want to go by pressure, Brock had the most time to throw this past weekend (Yac stats). Brock likes to go deep and holds it a little longer. Holding the ball longer is going to get pressure. it doesn't mean brock was running for his life on every play or the game would have a different outcome.

it's cool if you don't know what separates them from us and go by what the media says. This is the reason why i brought this up to get some real data.. not rankings or media popularity

They are better. Wth are you trying to argue here lol. And Purdy was under pressure a lot this week.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
but that is all opinion.

What is the measuring stick to shows they are better. What can be measured to show they are better ?

Dude like every single offensive line statistical data point lol. Our OG are damn near last in the league in PBLK. Our center is ranked 32nd. Colton is the 77th ranked OT overall.

as a unit we rank 22nd in PBWR and Philly is 5th. They're 1st in RBWR. We're like 17th. Brock is pressured a f**k ton and they're plenty of data/film backing it up. Our scheme masks some of it. True pass sets we suck as an offensive line unit.

look I know you love your Niners, we all do…don't be naive about it. We can all call a spade a spade. Acting like Philly's OL is the same as SF's is foolish. I'm not gonna debate that…that's like saying Mac Jones is as good as Joe burrow.

again that is opinions and rankings, which don't tell the entire story. less the a % point can seperate 10 teams in certain categories.

data/Film... if you want to go by pressure, Brock had the most time to throw this past weekend (Yac stats). Brock likes to go deep and holds it a little longer. Holding the ball longer is going to get pressure. it doesn't mean brock was running for his life on every play or the game would have a different outcome.

it's cool if you don't know what separates them from us and go by what the media says. This is the reason why i brought this up to get some real data.. not rankings or media popularity

They are better. Wth are you trying to argue here lol. And Purdy was under pressure a lot this week.

That's the thing. No one so far has brought up a way to measure how are they better. It's just a "hey trust me" post

under pressure yes, but had the most time to throw

Nice to see some quality talk in here again. Well done fellas.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nice to see some quality talk in here again. Well done fellas.

Would like your input on what can be used to measure how far the gap between philly vs 9ers OL

and please, since you're a self proclaimed SME.. no "trust me bro" posts

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why the extreme? Philly has both...

Sure, you can't have everything but no excuses with a QB on a rookie contract. Maybe next year. I feel like I say that alot. Haha

Philly's elite LT is a 7th rd pick and a rugby player. Their elite center was a 6th rd pick. Their current RG is a UDFA.

Exactly. Lots of different ways to achieve a tier 1 OL. It doesn't have to be all high priced FA's.

I mean you wouldn't be very happy if that's how SF built their OL. Let's keep it real.

Oh I've never ever cared about HOW the OL was constructed. I'm all about the final product and meeting the standard. And 7 years later it's still way under standard. I don't care how you get there...just get there.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why the extreme? Philly has both...

Sure, you can't have everything but no excuses with a QB on a rookie contract. Maybe next year. I feel like I say that alot. Haha

Philly's elite LT is a 7th rd pick and a rugby player. Their elite center was a 6th rd pick. Their current RG is a UDFA.

Exactly. Lots of different ways to achieve a tier 1 OL. It doesn't have to be all high priced FA's.

I mean you wouldn't be very happy if that's how SF built their OL. Let's keep it real.

Oh I've never ever cared about HOW the OL was constructed. I'm all about the final product and meeting the standard. And 7 years later it's still way under standard. I don't care how you get there...just get there.

Get where?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nice to see some quality talk in here again. Well done fellas.

Would like your input on what can be used to measure how far the gap between philly vs 9ers OL

and please, since you're a self proclaimed SME.. no "trust me bro" posts

You don't need to trust me, my friend. I gave you a great source to learn from and follow. You'd learn a ton by simply following him/them on X. They spotlight individual players, technique, unit sync, unit PP, RB, zone, power, gap, etc. BT actually covers us a lot too (good and bad).