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Aug 17, 2023 at 7:49 AM

Since07
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Originally posted by NCommand:
We do it on defense annually. It's just a matter where your prioritize things. And yes, that goes for any position. Yes, 9ers4eva, secondary too.

And here, I'm just asking for 2 elite players out of 5. 3 would make this unit elite.

Good offensive lineman outside of qbs are probably the rarest to come by of any position. To be fair I feel like we have put investments into the OL throughout the years. We got Trent Williams, Alex Mack, Weston Richburg, Laken Tomlinson, drafted McGlinchey and a few mid rounders too.

[ Edited by Since07 on Aug 17, 2023 at 7:50 AM ]

Aug 17, 2023 at 10:57 AM

#34592

49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Going from an elite Lane Johnson to Jack Driscoll is a far bigger drop off from Mike McGlinchey to Tom Compton or Colton McKivitz. In fact, there was a stretch where both Tom Compton and Colton McKivitz played better.

The goal should be to obtain the best OL possible. They did that. We have not.

I agree that it's hard to find quality depth and keep developing a pool annually. With the OL, you simply need time to develop 'with' the unit.

And HERE, so much more is asked of our OL too. Couple in the injury history here, it's more than fair to be concerned about the depth. In fact, its refreshing fans are even looking at the depth. They've come a long ways in here. LOL

I seem to recall the Eagles taking 2 d lineman in the first this season. Is that trying to get the best OL possible?

Ehh...

I've always felt our problem with the OL wasn't the lack resources or draft capitol we did or didn't use... the issue was the players we selected.

Other than Burford and getting TW (incredible value), I'd argue we have struggled to get value out of our picks.

According to PFF, Banks wasn't a top 32 G last year, and this was his breakout year.

MM was drafted in the first, and while he graded out well in run blocking, I'd argue his pass blocking was nowhere near acceptable to his draft selection.

And we just paid Brendel, who's extremely average to me.

If we added just one more elite C, G or RT here right now, the entire unit would move into an ideal spot for Brock, Kyle and all the playmakers ready to go for #6.
Adding 3 elite players, so easy a caveman can do it

We do it on defense annually. It's just a matter where your prioritize things. And yes, that goes for any position. Yes, 9ers4eva, secondary too.

And here, I'm just asking for 2 elite players out of 5. 3 would make this unit elite.

We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent

Also, there aren't elite OL available annually, but we still add OL every year. Elite players are not a dime a dozen

Aug 17, 2023 at 11:10 AM

#34593

Overkill
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Wait.. I thought Moore wasn't even playing because he was hurt? He got snaps?

Just rewatched and wow, yup, he was starting at LT. Well now I'm even more terrified about our OL depth.

Ilm Manning FTW.

49ERS UDFA ILM MANNING JUST TOSSED THIS DUDE 👀 pic.twitter.com/xHOe9DeAe9
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) August 17, 2023

49ers Ilm Manning showing some serious stuff that I would not expect from a UDFA rookie

He drops the DE to his knees with a nasty right-handed chop and continues to mirror once he pops up

THIS IS NOT A DRILL pic.twitter.com/fcb64iwGzb
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) August 17, 2023

Aug 17, 2023 at 11:12 AM

#34594

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Originally posted by Overkill:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Wait.. I thought Moore wasn't even playing because he was hurt? He got snaps?

Just rewatched and wow, yup, he was starting at LT. Well now I'm even more terrified about our OL depth.

Ilm Manning FTW.

49ERS UDFA ILM MANNING JUST TOSSED THIS DUDE 👀 pic.twitter.com/xHOe9DeAe9
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) August 17, 2023

I always wanted a Manning on this football team. Or Minning, as they say.

Aug 17, 2023 at 11:13 AM

#34595

Heroism
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Originally posted by Overkill:

49ERS UDFA ILM MANNING JUST TOSSED THIS DUDE 👀 pic.twitter.com/xHOe9DeAe9
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) August 17, 2023

49ers Ilm Manning showing some serious stuff that I would not expect from a UDFA rookie

He drops the DE to his knees with a nasty right-handed chop and continues to mirror once he pops up

THIS IS NOT A DRILL pic.twitter.com/fcb64iwGzb
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) August 17, 2023

Damn, who is this dude? Explosive kckslide and that chop to get hands off him is nasty.

Check out how he fights for the forklift on the outside hand in the first move to counter the bullrush. Impressive handwork.

[ Edited by Heroism on Aug 17, 2023 at 11:15 AM ]

Aug 17, 2023 at 11:20 AM

#34596

Overkill
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Damn, who is this dude? Explosive kckslide and that chop to get hands off him is nasty.

Check out how he fights for the forklift on the outside hand in the first move to counter the bullrush. Impressive handwork.

I think he's a University of Hawaii kid but don't quote me. I don't remember seeing his name much before the first preseason game.

That account on twitter is posting more of his stuff.

Ilm Manning dominated the Raiders and there is still film left and he just keeps putting these dudes on the ground with superior technique

At this point I am just over saturating the TL lol pic.twitter.com/HnyhoAFDh9
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) August 17, 2023

Aug 17, 2023 at 11:26 AM

#34597

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Ilm Manning looks great on film but the concern about this lack of size is real. He looks more like a G than an OT.

He played 4 years of LT at Hawaii though and you can tell the guy has really good technique.

Aug 17, 2023 at 11:32 AM

#34598

Heroism
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Originally posted by Overkill:
I think he's a University of Hawaii kid but don't quote me. I don't remember seeing his name much before the first preseason game.

That account on twitter is posting more of his stuff.

Ilm Manning dominated the Raiders and there is still film left and he just keeps putting these dudes on the ground with superior technique

At this point I am just over saturating the TL lol pic.twitter.com/HnyhoAFDh9
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) August 17, 2023

One of the most important traits an OL can have is independent hands. It's such a b***h to go against as a DL. This kid is smooth with his hands.

Aug 17, 2023 at 11:46 AM

#34599

Waterbear
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Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Overkill:
I think he's a University of Hawaii kid but don't quote me. I don't remember seeing his name much before the first preseason game.

That account on twitter is posting more of his stuff.

Ilm Manning dominated the Raiders and there is still film left and he just keeps putting these dudes on the ground with superior technique

At this point I am just over saturating the TL lol pic.twitter.com/HnyhoAFDh9
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) August 17, 2023

One of the most important traits an OL can have is independent hands. It's such a b***h to go against as a DL. This kid is smooth with his hands.

Hero, how are you just hearing about this kid right now? LOL He's been one of the young bright spots in camp besides Jamison.

Aug 17, 2023 at 11:52 AM

#34600

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Originally posted by Leathaface:
Ilm Manning looks great on film but the concern about this lack of size is real. He looks more like a G than an OT.

He played 4 years of LT at Hawaii though and you can tell the guy has really good technique.

s**t he looks like a fullback

Aug 17, 2023 at 11:53 AM

#34601

thl408
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Damn, he threw that 4th string DE to ground like a baws.

Aug 17, 2023 at 11:55 AM

#34602

OnTheClock
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Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Damn, who is this dude? Explosive kckslide and that chop to get hands off him is nasty.

Check out how he fights for the forklift on the outside hand in the first move to counter the bullrush. Impressive handwork.

I think he's a University of Hawaii kid but don't quote me. I don't remember seeing his name much before the first preseason game.

That account on twitter is posting more of his stuff.

Ilm Manning dominated the Raiders and there is still film left and he just keeps putting these dudes on the ground with superior technique

At this point I am just over saturating the TL lol pic.twitter.com/HnyhoAFDh9
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) August 17, 2023

Manning also had a throw down on the Darnold bomb, if I'm not mistaken. He was excellent in PP. Trying to not get overhyped, but hard not to get hopeful when the rest of our depth has been so horrible.

EDIT: NEVERMIND I see it above -- I talked about this play by Manning in my post-game review. My favorite block of the day by anyone.

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Aug 17, 2023 at 11:57 AM ]

Aug 17, 2023 at 12:17 PM

#34603

Heroism
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Hero, how are you just hearing about this kid right now? LOL He's been one of the young bright spots in camp besides Jamison.

Bro, I was MIA the entire offseason. I made it a point to turn football off this offseason.

[ Edited by Heroism on Aug 17, 2023 at 12:18 PM ]

Aug 17, 2023 at 12:21 PM

#34604

NCommand
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Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We do it on defense annually. It's just a matter where your prioritize things. And yes, that goes for any position. Yes, 9ers4eva, secondary too.

And here, I'm just asking for 2 elite players out of 5. 3 would make this unit elite.

Good offensive lineman outside of qbs are probably the rarest to come by of any position. To be fair I feel like we have put investments into the OL throughout the years. We got Trent Williams, Alex Mack, Weston Richburg, Laken Tomlinson, drafted McGlinchey and a few mid rounders too.

Too bad we couldn't get all those guys healthy in their prime playing together at the same time!

Aug 17, 2023 at 12:36 PM

#34605

Giedi
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Originally posted by thl408:
Damn, he threw that 4th string DE to ground like a baws.

NIce, the more raw talent for Foerster and KYle to mould, the better!

It could save us a high round draft pick. The dream would be for this guy to step in be a starter at some point and move the draft capital to a good left tackle in next years draft. I think Brock is important enough to move up to the 10 to 15th pick of the draft range to get a good LT as Trent's understudy.