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So does anyone know which type of offense we are going to run?

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Originally posted by bzborow1:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by thl408:
I don't think the coaches know either. They said they were going to evaluate each player on an individual basis, then tailor the offense to the strength of the roster. My guess is that it will involve establishing the run first, then using playaction to get simpler reads downfield off of that. I think it was Tomsula who said that the coaches were not going to bring playbooks to their first meetings. Just look at the players first, then work together to determine what kind of offense best suits their abilities. Sounds great, but lots of ideas sound great at first. We'll just have to wait and see.

Honestly that sounds like a terrible plan or lack of one. Coaches should have a clear cut vision of what they wonna run and get players to fit that vision. Of course you may have to do some tinkering based on personnel but at least have a vision.

Nothing wrong with being flexible and confidence in their coaching ability to implement something that will fit their changing personnel.

I know what sus means here (or at least I think I do). I'm the same way: philosophy/vision > scheme > coaches within both > proper personnel > execution

My guess is that we're making more of a transition to a more pure WCO from now on. That will be our foundation...now, will it be run to set up play action passing or more controlled passing to set up running in the second halfs of games? Either way, the WCO foundation is flexible enough for either although I'd prefer the latter.

Everyone likes to throw that WCO term around like it's going out of style. Every team in the NFL now incorporates and builds on WCO concepts. Referencing Jed York's comments on last years squad not sticking to the teams core competencies, it leads me to believe that senior managements vision is one which focuses on power running, stretch passes, etc.

I'm assuming you guys want a good offensive scheme for longevity in the NFL. Ones that you can use for 5-10 years that defense won't be able to 'figure' out. Plug in another player and don't miss a beat and keep on humming. That's all good, but it only last as long as your core guys like qb, rb, and wr are together in their career. At some point you have to be flexible in your offense to accommodate difference in talent added to the offense.

The Patriots is the a good example. The one constant is Tom Brady through the years, but they were flexible enough to accommodate different types of RB, WR for Brady. Last year they didn't have your typical NFL receivers. Bunch of second tier receivers and went and won the SB. Little annoying receivers that catches short passes in front of you, sometimes make you miss tackled giving up big gains. That's flexibility in coaching to your personnel.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by susweel:
Personally I dont think we are going WCO I think we are going more spread and read option offense. We just guessing at this point but thats what I see happening.

As our foundation? Damn, I hope not! We saw how we ran the spread last year and CK may not last 8 games if he's running the RO as a primary play.

Jed says they gonna use his legs.

I'm sure they'll allow him to read - read - run and some designed QB keepers/RO but my God, if they are going full college here (Spread+RO), we're dead! LOL

If I had to guess, the reason for the promotion of Geep was so that an entire new offense install wasn't needed. As much as some don't want to believe, our offense under Harbs had all the tried and true WCO concepts in the passing game (exception being not able to properly execute a f**king screen pass) and had an almost gibbs style coryell run game. The issue was the time and place these plays where called. The where way to reliant on first down run and never really exploited this lean by getting explosive plays out of the Playaction game on first down.

Again it's all speculation, but I think the offense will look aesthetically similar to the Harbs offenses (formation wise), however I think the charge from the top is to eliminate the leans/tells that crept in to the offense and offer a system that allows kap to play more untearthered and free. The influx of speed (smith and bush) should help get this accomplished. However, the single biggest factor in this offense improving lies on Kap. He just needs to keep improving.

This. If we went with Gase, we'd be installing a brand new offensive system. I think 816 nailed it using the word "aesthetically" b/c overall, the terminology shouldn't change, nor will many of the designs we currently run, but the manner in which they are called, tinkered with, edited and precision to which they are run, "should" be a big difference esp. if there is added focus on first down production AND we incorporate the RB's into the passing game (both as primary receivers AND outlets).
It will be a basic power run with more passes to the RBs and we fill finally run some screen passes as well. Add in some deep passes but I'm sure it will be more mid field passes with recoevers in space to collect YAC. There will be very little shifts that Herbs liked to do.
Originally posted by stonecold590:
It will be a basic power run with more passes to the RBs and we fill finally run some screen passes as well. Add in some deep passes but I'm sure it will be more mid field passes with recoevers in space to collect YAC. There will be very little shifts that Herbs liked to do.

Ahhhh man, no more circus-clown animations pre-snaps?
No more confusion that costs time outs on the second play of the game
Originally posted by trooper49:
We should employ the Seattle Seahawk offense: QB runs around in circles, throws ball up in the air, receiver always comes down with it.

I hope he tries that this year and aldon tears his f**kin head off.
The Jimmy Raye offense
The Geepus Chyrst Hail Mary offense
"So does anyone know which type of offense we are going to run?"

The odds of asking the same question mid season....very high.
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Originally posted by 49ersking:
"So does anyone know which type of offense we are going to run?"

The odds of asking the same question mid season....very high.

they still will be assessing the talent at that point. lol
Originally posted by susweel:
they still will be assessing the talent at that point. lol

Says the poster who claimed yesterday that he was never trying to just stir the pot and get reactions.
Originally posted by 49ersking:
"So does anyone know which type of offense we are going to run?"

The odds of asking the same question mid season....very high.



Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by stonecold590:
It will be a basic power run with more passes to the RBs and we fill finally run some screen passes as well. Add in some deep passes but I'm sure it will be more mid field passes with recoevers in space to collect YAC. There will be very little shifts that Herbs liked to do.

Ahhhh man, no more circus-clown animations pre-snaps?

I honestly love shifts and motions. That is one of the things BW was way ahead of the game in doing (Landry was also at the forefront of motion). There is just so much easy info that can be gathered by using motions and shifts. Everyone seems to rag on us shifting Miller out wide, but in most of those situations it got either VD or in one case Boldin isolated on a safety. But this is just my opinion. I'm for anything makes the defense take pause and have to think.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Mar 20, 2015 at 2:19 PM ]
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Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by stonecold590:
It will be a basic power run with more passes to the RBs and we fill finally run some screen passes as well. Add in some deep passes but I'm sure it will be more mid field passes with recoevers in space to collect YAC. There will be very little shifts that Herbs liked to do.

Ahhhh man, no more circus-clown animations pre-snaps?

I honestly love shifts and motions. That is one of the things BW was way ahead of the game in doing (Landry was also at the forefront of motion). There is just so much easy info that can be gathered by using motions and shifts. Everyone seems to rag on us shifting Miller out wide, but in most of those situations it got either VD or in one case Boldin isolated on a safety. But this is just my opinion.

I'm with you on that one. The shifts and motions are just gathering intel for the passing game. For the run game, it's trying to gain the advantage with blocking angles at the edges. Shifting which side of the formation is the strong side and forcing the defense to adjust accordingly or get outnumbered at the point of attack. I think what most people have a problem with is the shifting while the playclock ticks down to 3, 2, 1..timeout.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by stonecold590:
It will be a basic power run with more passes to the RBs and we fill finally run some screen passes as well. Add in some deep passes but I'm sure it will be more mid field passes with recoevers in space to collect YAC. There will be very little shifts that Herbs liked to do.

Ahhhh man, no more circus-clown animations pre-snaps?

I honestly love shifts and motions. That is one of the things BW was way ahead of the game in doing (Landry was also at the forefront of motion). There is just so much easy info that can be gathered by using motions and shifts. Everyone seems to rag on us shifting Miller out wide, but in most of those situations it got either VD or in one case Boldin isolated on a safety. But this is just my opinion.

I'm with you on that one. The shifts and motions are just gathering intel for the passing game. For the run game, it's trying to gain the advantage with blocking angles at the edges. Shifting which side of the formation is the strong side and forcing the defense to adjust accordingly or get outnumbered at the point of attack. I think what most people have a problem with is the shifting while the playclock ticks down to 3, 2, 1..timeout.

Agreed. Just got excessive at times and forces CK to think a lot as the clock ticks down. The idea is great.
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