Offseason All22 Film Study

RR aligned head on.


After a jab step inside, MG releases outside. RR stays balanced throughout and plays press bump at the line.


RR flips hips and dips his head, bursting through to head Goodwin off. Notice MG closer to the sideline now.


MG ends up getting a quarter step, if that, for a moment. Not targeted. RR's height over GW plays a role on any attempted target because the pass would have to go over GW's outside shoulder. Tough throw.



Round 1:
RR 10
MG 9

Cover1. RR with inside shade.


Jab step to the outside.


RR caught leaning to his left as Goodwin cuts for an inside release. MG swats his hands. Can't tell if he actually hit RR, but MG's release is clean off the line.


RR knows he's beat off the line. A CB wants to flip those hips and dip them low to burst through. It's a footrace.


Goodwin gets that step. This time with room away from the sideline.


Targeted. Pass too far to the outside. Ball enters the view as gif ends.

Round 2:
MG 10
RR 8

RR inside shade.


Jab inside. RR stays low and head on, no bump, mirroring MG.


Because RR was balanced in the last frame, he's able to cut off MG's outside release and kill the route.


Not targeted.


Round 3:
RR 10
MG 8

Outside shade.


Outside release all the way. This is a 3 step timing play. If MG was targeted, QB would also be mid-windup like he is here. There's some hand fighting, but it's hard to tell what's going on from this camera angle.


CBs are taught to watch the hips, not the head. What MG is doing shows why. His head is straight towards the end zone, but his hips and plant leg suggest an out cut.


Quick out gets separation. As much as this route is really going to get.



Round 4:
MG 10
RR 9

RR inside shade. Cover1 safety was shallow on this play so RR won't have deep help.


Jab step and head fake gets RR to get on his heels a bit. RR able to make contact with MG to slightly disrupt the release.


RR flips and is able to stay ahead of MG's shoulder to control his speed.


all22 to show how a Post route might have worked better than a Go, since the middle safety playing so shallow.



Round 5:
RR 10
MG 8

Head on alignment.


Hand fighting. Hard to be sure, but I think MG is able to swat RR's hands away.


RR stays over the top, in MG's face to disrupt any vertical release.


MG curls his route, towards a LB in the middle of the field.


RR played to his help, so even though MG got separation on the Curl, he was never open due to being bracketed by RR and the LB in the middle.

Round 6:
MG 10
RR 9

This is a 3rd & 24.


Go-stutter step-Go-Stop gets good separation. +14. Down and distance meant RR was going play soft, over the top positioning to avoid giving up the big gain.


Round 7:
MG 10
RR 9
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(RR left the game in the middle of 3rd quarter)
This judge score it a 65-65....Draw. . How do you have it scored?

A Rematch will take place this training camp.

I love this thread.

Looks like MG didn't get much separation except that one play where the ball was overthrown

Originally posted by thl408:
This is a 3rd & 24.


Go-stutter step-Go-Stop gets good separation. +14. Down and distance meant RR was going play soft, over the top positioning to avoid giving up the big gain.


Round 7:
MG 10
RR 9
-------------------------
(RR left the game in the middle of 3rd quarter)
This judge score it a 65-65....Draw. . How do you have it scored?

A Rematch will take place this training camp.

Nice job THL
Thanks.
So does this mean they're evenly matched highly skilled players or both just ..ehh?
Will Goodwin be able to get separation against NFCW DB's?
Will Robinson be able to lock down the best WRs in the division?
What's your opinion?
I was impressed with Robinson last year but to be honest don't remember the Buffalo game. In fact I've tried to forget all of last year. Even when we won, we lost.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Looks like MG didn't get much separation except that one play where the ball was overthrown

I admit I was generous with some of the wins for MG. I don't agree with MG's quote, "you can't cover me, & couldn't all game".

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Looks like MG didn't get much separation except that one play where the ball was overthrown

I admit I was generous with some of the wins for MG. I don't agree with MG's quote, "you can't cover me, & couldn't all game".

Seems like a lot of posturing and trash talk....what's puzzling is that he said there's film...LOL....

Originally posted by Sourball:
Nice job THL
Thanks.
So does this mean they're evenly matched highly skilled players or both just ..ehh?
Will Goodwin be able to get separation against NFCW DB's?
Will Robinson be able to lock down the best WRs in the division?
What's your opinion?
I was impressed with Robinson last year but to be honest don't remember the Buffalo game. In fact I've tried to forget all of last year. Even when we won, we lost.

RR is going to be a good one. What I am waiting to see is how he adjusts to being a Cover3 CB. He already is good at press man coverage, but what about when he's using bail technique, hands off the WR, watching the QB, and watching route combinations develop, defending an area and not a WR. Can he thrive in a system like that or is a pure man coverage CB? Just as an example, Nnamdi was considered a lockdown CB until he signed on with PHI and they put him in zone concepts. Then he looked slow and hesitant. Same with Revis as a Buccaneer.

I watched Goodwin against ARI and he had success when lining up against Marcus Cooper, but got owned against Patrick Peterson. I'll show this one play where PP defeated Goodwin on a vertical route and made a crazy one handed INT. PP is a stud though. I haven't watched Goodwin versus SEA.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Sourball:
Nice job THL
Thanks.
So does this mean they're evenly matched highly skilled players or both just ..ehh?
Will Goodwin be able to get separation against NFCW DB's?
Will Robinson be able to lock down the best WRs in the division?
What's your opinion?
I was impressed with Robinson last year but to be honest don't remember the Buffalo game. In fact I've tried to forget all of last year. Even when we won, we lost.

RR is going to be a good one. What I am waiting to see is how he adjusts to being a Cover3 CB. He already is good at press man coverage, but what about when he's using bail technique, hands off the WR, watching the QB, and watching route combinations develop, defending an area and not a WR. Can he thrive in a system like that or is a pure man coverage CB? Just as an example, Nnamdi was considered a lockdown CB until he signed on with PHI and they put him in zone concepts. Then he looked slow and hesitant. Same with Revis as a Buccaneer.

I watched Goodwin against ARI and he had success when lining up against Marcus Cooper, but got owned against Patrick Peterson. I'll show this one play where PP defeated Goodwin on a vertical route and made a crazy one handed INT. PP is a stud though. I haven't watched Goodwin versus SEA.

Thanks
Can't wait to get to the draft and then this next season going.
*Kinda sad that I spend so much of my life waiting for football season

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Sourball:
Nice job THL
Thanks.
So does this mean they're evenly matched highly skilled players or both just ..ehh?
Will Goodwin be able to get separation against NFCW DB's?
Will Robinson be able to lock down the best WRs in the division?
What's your opinion?
I was impressed with Robinson last year but to be honest don't remember the Buffalo game. In fact I've tried to forget all of last year. Even when we won, we lost.

RR is going to be a good one. What I am waiting to see is how he adjusts to being a Cover3 CB. He already is good at press man coverage, but what about when he's using bail technique, hands off the WR, watching the QB, and watching route combinations develop, defending an area and not a WR. Can he thrive in a system like that or is a pure man coverage CB? Just as an example, Nnamdi was considered a lockdown CB until he signed on with PHI and they put him in zone concepts. Then he looked slow and hesitant. Same with Revis as a Buccaneer.

I watched Goodwin against ARI and he had success when lining up against Marcus Cooper, but got owned against Patrick Peterson. I'll show this one play where PP defeated Goodwin on a vertical route and made a crazy one handed INT. PP is a stud though. I haven't watched Goodwin versus SEA.

If RR turns out to be a PP type guy, do you think Saleh would be more willing to stay with a more cover-1 type defense where the backend coverages are more like what JoN ran?? Or, would he run more like Seattle's first couple years with Sherman and Browner where it was zone but with man-coverage techniques?? Or, like Fangio where vertical releases often times turned into man-coverage??