Trade Bait 2015

Originally posted by English:
I like Brooks but I can't see teams trading for him with that contract. I think most GMs will assume we will have to cut him and they can deal direct.

This. His age, contract, lack of production last season and perceived (rightly or wrongly) discontent last season mean he has no trade value. I would be stoked to get a 7th rounder for him.

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Vernon has one down year due to s**tty quarterback and offensive line play, s**tty coordinating, and injuries. Now a bunch of fans are calling for him to get traded or even cut. Yeah let's just get rid of a top 5 tight end who is currently the only player on our team that has proven ability to stretch the field and replace him with Vance Mcdonald! Brilliant! People that are calling for Vernon's departure really need to take some time to think how stupid that would be. Even if he doesn't put up huge numbers, he's still a very important component to our offense in making linebackers and safeties honest down the middle of the field. Although he had a down year in blocking as well, he's still one of the better blocking tight ends.


His skills have not declined. He still has his speed and I imagine he will have elite speed at the tight end position well into his thirties. He's one of those freaks of nature like Terrell Owens, Darrell Green, Hershel Walker, etc that have amazing work ethic and their speed takes a while to decline. People don't realize what a back injury, Eric Mangini as your tight ends coach, and Greg Roman coordinating will do to your production. He doesn't suddenly suck and has dropped off a cliff in one year... GEEZ

good post... i went from defending vernon, to ripping him to just having no clue what to think about him and last year,, but yes he has done well for us so we need to pass last year off as a off year due to various reasons that 52 made plus just the over all damn jh drama and distractions all over the place did not help vernon or our entire team.... and of course yes, sorry to vance defenders, we do not have a good back up tight end behind vernon so he stays

exactly

Good to see support for Vernon. He had a terrible season - but I'm hopeful it was an aberration rather than a sign of things to come.

Originally posted by slowriot:
Good to see support for Vernon. He had a terrible season - but I'm hopeful it was an aberration rather than a sign of things to come.

i thought it was injuries, then he acted like he was not giving an effort in games.. for a while i really had no idea what to think. i know it is risky to "hope" its a off year and "hope" he bounces back but that is what i have decided to do. i think he has built up more than enough good will for us to give him a break in a year that was hopefully , as you said,, an aberration, for the entire team. i am glad you spelled that because i do not know how to spell that word

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by slowriot:
Good to see support for Vernon. He had a terrible season - but I'm hopeful it was an aberration rather than a sign of things to come.

i thought it was injuries, then he acted like he was not giving an effort in games.. for a while i really had no idea what to think. i know it is risky to "hope" its a off year and "hope" he bounces back but that is what i have decided to do. i think he has built up more than enough good will for us to give him a break in a year that was hopefully , as you said,, an aberration, for the entire team. i am glad you spelled that because i do not know how to spell that word

Yeah, hard to know what to make of his dramatic fall from grace. Was it injury - or he was pouting a little because of the contract stand-off in the offseason? He's always struck me as a 'confidence-player' - so he's either on a roll, or totally off his game. Let's hope Sparano has a positive influence on him.

Originally posted by slowriot:
Good to see support for Vernon. He had a terrible season - but I'm hopeful it was an aberration rather than a sign of things to come.

Problem was, he seemed like he quit. Can't see what's inside a guy...so this one is a coin flip. These dudes with their "brands"..

Cuts and trades impact our salary cap.

Here are the numbers for some of the players.

Dead money is bad.

Brooks and Davis leave us with some major, at least it seems major to me, dead money.

Brooks and Tomsula might not get along.

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:

I hear you on Davis, I just think he's replaceable in the sense that he didn't do jack for us this year, and now he's got back issues. Davis still thinks he should be paid like the best TE, even though he's not there anymore, and might now get back there again. Maybe we could package all 3 guys I listed to the Raiders for their 2nd round pick this year? Kind of a bundled package, the Raiders have TONS of cap space, and could use all 3 guys. By trading those 3 guys, and then cutting Dawson and Dahl, we could make a couple descent value signings in FA, and look at the draft to replace a few of those guys.

Cut dawson. Are you on crack.

Originally posted by buck:
Cuts and trades impact our salary cap.

Here are the numbers for some of the players.

Dead money is bad.

Brooks and Davis leave us with some major, at least it seems major to me, dead money.

Brooks and Tomsula might not get along.

i still think Brooks is gone, but based on those numbers Martin and Dahl are no brainers and Dawson could be on the cut list too as 3+ million in cap savings is big but I believe Vernon gets extended and it would be a great time to do coming off a poor year for him.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
I hear you on Davis, I just think he's replaceable in the sense that he didn't do jack for us this year, and now he's got back issues. Davis still thinks he should be paid like the best TE, even though he's not there anymore, and might now get back there again. Maybe we could package all 3 guys I listed to the Raiders for their 2nd round pick this year? Kind of a bundled package, the Raiders have TONS of cap space, and could use all 3 guys. By trading those 3 guys, and then cutting Dawson and Dahl, we could make a couple descent value signings in FA, and look at the draft to replace a few of those guys.

Cut dawson. Are you on crack.

That is way too big of a number for a kicker he must restructured or be cut.

Originally posted by leakyfausett:

Originally posted by buck:
Cuts and trades impact our salary cap.

Here are the numbers for some of the players.

Dead money is bad.

Brooks and Davis leave us with some major, at least it seems major to me, dead money.

Brooks and Tomsula might not get along.

i still think Brooks is gone, but based on those numbers Martin and Dahl are no brainers and Dawson could be on the cut list too as 3+ million in cap savings is big but I believe Vernon gets extended and it would be a great time to do coming off a poor year for him.

Brooks would cost us almost 5 1/2 million in dead money if we cut or trade him.

In my mind, that is a lot of wasted money.

If Brooks reconciles himself to losing playing time and restructures his contract accordingly, the problems with Tomsula could disappear.

But, I do think Brooks more than likely will be cut or traded.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
I hear you on Davis, I just think he's replaceable in the sense that he didn't do jack for us this year, and now he's got back issues. Davis still thinks he should be paid like the best TE, even though he's not there anymore, and might now get back there again. Maybe we could package all 3 guys I listed to the Raiders for their 2nd round pick this year? Kind of a bundled package, the Raiders have TONS of cap space, and could use all 3 guys. By trading those 3 guys, and then cutting Dawson and Dahl, we could make a couple descent value signings in FA, and look at the draft to replace a few of those guys.

Cut dawson. Are you on crack.

Dawson is 40 and showed signs he may be slowing down. He had his worst FG% in 8 years last season.

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
I hear you on Davis, I just think he's replaceable in the sense that he didn't do jack for us this year, and now he's got back issues. Davis still thinks he should be paid like the best TE, even though he's not there anymore, and might now get back there again. Maybe we could package all 3 guys I listed to the Raiders for their 2nd round pick this year? Kind of a bundled package, the Raiders have TONS of cap space, and could use all 3 guys. By trading those 3 guys, and then cutting Dawson and Dahl, we could make a couple descent value signings in FA, and look at the draft to replace a few of those guys.

Cut dawson. Are you on crack.

Dawson is 40 and showed signs he may be slowing down. He had his worst FG% in 8 years last season.

it would be nice to be able to kick it out of end zone to. i am not advocating the team cut dawson but i suppose drafting a kicker would not be a terrible idea.

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Trade Anthony Davis and move Alex Boone out to RT.

No way Boone is gone after this year and then you are looking for a RT again.

We can give Boone an extension and move him to RT where he fits better and trade A.Davis for a 2nd or a early 3rd rd pick. The OT prospects of this years draft and FA is not so great so A.Davis has some value for trading and yet we keep Boone the better player of the two. IMO, Boone is better than A.Davis at Offensive Tackle by a mile. He's too tall to be a Guard and sometimes lose the battle of pad leverage due to his height at Guard, DTs and NTs are more lower to the ground than him. He has the height and length advantage going against DEs and OLBs on the outside.

First of all, I would never do a long term big money contract with a guy like Boone. He's a shrewd business man and would likely hold out every couple of years if he thought he was underpaid. He held out when it appeared he had no leverage, what do you guys think he would do if he was in an important tackle position with leverage?
Secondly, Boone actually didn't play all that well last year. But, did you notice how much worst our run game was without A.Davis? We need him. Plus, I love the fire this kid brings. Davis is barely reaching his prime, he turned 25 a few months ago. Boone is like 28.
Maybe Boone would be a better tackle, but its hard to say. He played well for a strech when he subbed for Joe Staely, but there wasn't much film on him. To really know how good a player will be, you have to give it a season or two.
In all, I just dont trust Boone. Period.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
I hear you on Davis, I just think he's replaceable in the sense that he didn't do jack for us this year, and now he's got back issues. Davis still thinks he should be paid like the best TE, even though he's not there anymore, and might now get back there again. Maybe we could package all 3 guys I listed to the Raiders for their 2nd round pick this year? Kind of a bundled package, the Raiders have TONS of cap space, and could use all 3 guys. By trading those 3 guys, and then cutting Dawson and Dahl, we could make a couple descent value signings in FA, and look at the draft to replace a few of those guys.

Cut dawson. Are you on crack.

Dawson is 40 and showed signs he may be slowing down. He had his worst FG% in 8 years last season.

it would be nice to be able to kick it out of end zone to. i am not advocating the team cut dawson but i suppose drafting a kicker would not be a terrible idea.

I agree, it would be nice to have a stronger leg on the team, but Baalke seems to favor veteran guys. No surprise really, since so many young kickers either flame out or take many year to develop. I'd love to nab Gostkowski from the Pats (it'll never happen)

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Trade Anthony Davis and move Alex Boone out to RT.

I agree that Boone is better suited to play tackle, but I really don't like this idea at all. I'm a big Davis fan. I would prefer to get fair value for Boone if anything before he takes off in FA for OT money.