Why All the Sacks?

Originally posted by MarkD:
With all that being said you still need receivers who are quicker and more elusive. Or at the very least can run good routes or know where to sit in a zone.
Boldin is a good option but slow. Crabtree is slow, had very bad body control with good hands. Gore as an outlet would have helped a ltitle but he has lost some quickness.
Roman and Harbaugh should have went with the younger receivers earlier in the season. IMO

that's 1 thing i hope to look forward to seeing. all the talent on the offensive side of the ball being used consistently
one thing people always tell me is that we had too much talent to not be better on offense and then i have to explain to them that having the talent on the roster and using the talent is 2 completely different things

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by MarkD:
With all that being said you still need receivers who are quicker and more elusive. Or at the very least can run good routes or know where to sit in a zone.
Boldin is a good option but slow. Crabtree is slow, had very bad body control with good hands. Gore as an outlet would have helped a ltitle but he has lost some quickness.
Roman and Harbaugh should have went with the younger receivers earlier in the season. IMO

that's 1 thing i hope to look forward to seeing. all the talent on the offensive side of the ball being used consistently
one thing people always tell me is that we had too much talent to not be better on offense and then i have to explain to them that having the talent on the roster and using the talent is 2 completely different things

Like I tell my players:

'Talent ain't enough '

Originally posted by buck:
The author used PFF stats, but if he had checked in the cumulative quarterback summary for the year, he would have noticed that PFF put the responsibility on Kaepernick for 7 of his 52 sacks----according to the source used by the author 13.46 % of the sacks were on Kaepernick and 86.53 % of the sacks were not on him.

PFF also provides data that shows that % of sacks that were on Kaepernick in 2014 was lower than the % of sacks that were on him in 2013.

But, that 13.46 % is still high when compared to other quarterbacks.

There is no doubt that Kaepernick needs to throw the ball away more, which he did do last year.
He also needs to take the check down more often and quicker.

Hopefully, his time with Warner in Arizona will prove useful.

You also had shown that he avoided a VERY high number of would-be sacks as well. I'm guessing the 7 sacks were a combination of scrambles and running OOB short of the LOS and a few legit sacks d/t confusion.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Good article.

Breaks it down:

A). Kap

B). WR

C). OL

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2361143-san-francisco-49ers-who-is-to-blame-for-2014s-higher-sack-numbers?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-francisco-49ers

Thoughts?

#1 would be scheme/coaching.

Kaepernick had an average of 2.96 seconds as a passer per play in 2014, third-highest in the league, according to Pro Football Focus.

Aaron Rodgers had an average 2.86 seconds as a passer per play in 2014, seventh-highest in the league, according to Pro Football Focus.
(note I had third-highest for Rodgers---it should have been seventh-highest---I changed it.)

His average time to being sacked was 3.72 seconds, fourth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers average time to being sacked was 3.97 seconds, second-highest in the league.

I will continue.

Kaepernick had an average time to throw of 2.68 seconds, fifth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers had an average time to throw of 2.66 seconds, seventh-highest in the league.
By the way, Andrew luck and Kaepernick had the same average time to throw.

Kaepernick had an average time to scramble of 4.96 seconds, twelfth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers had an average time to scramble of 5.58 seconds, fourth-highest in the league.

I do not think that the average times listed in PFF's Time in the Pocket signature statistics can be used as reliable indicators of a quarterback's responsibility for sacks taken.

Kaepernick was sacked 52 times last year.
Aaron Rodgers was sacked 28 times last year.

If you want to use PFF to look at a quarterbacks responsibility for sacks taken, you should look at assigned responsibility for sacks in cumulative offensive summary for each team.

Colin Kaepernick was sacked 52 times. PFF put 7 on those sacks on him----13.46%.

Russell Wilson was sacked 42 times. PFF put 10 on those sacks on him---23.81 %.

Yup IIRC we also called the most go-routes, errr passes over 20 yards, in the NFL despite throwing significantly less than teams like the Pats.

That is about to change.

Originally posted by buck:
Kaepernick had an average of 2.96 seconds as a passer per play in 2014, third-highest in the league, according to Pro Football Focus.

Aaron Rodgers had an average 2.86 seconds as a passer per play in 2014, third-highest in the league, according to Pro Football Focus.

His average time to being sacked was 3.72 seconds, fourth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers average time to being sacked was 3.97 seconds, second-highest in the league.

I will continue.

Kaepernick had an average time to throw of 2.68 seconds, fifth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers had an average time to throw of 2.66 seconds, seventh-highest in the league.
By the way, Andrew luck and Kaepernick had the same average time to throw.

Kaepernick had an average time to scramble of 4.96 seconds, twelfth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers had an average time to scramble of 5.58 seconds, fourth-highest in the league.

I do not think that the average times listed in PFF's Time in the Pocket signature statistics can be used as reliable indicators of a quarterback's responsibility for sacks taken.

Kaepernick was sacked 52 times last year.
Aaron Rodgers was sacked 28 times last year.

I agree with the underlined. There's a lot of context missing in that statistic. If a QB takes a three step drop and quickly gets rid of the ball, then the play design doesn't give him much time to hang onto the ball. That statistic will suffer, but it's due to the design of the play. If Kap takes a 5 step drop, is pressured immediately as he hits the top of his dropback, runs around to extend the play but ends up taking a sack, then that time gets extended, but the Oline sucked, not Kap.

I don't know if the author of that article actually watched the film or if he just derived his own conclusions based off the stats he referenced. In my observation, most of the time it was the Oline sucking.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by buck:
Kaepernick had an average of 2.96 seconds as a passer per play in 2014, third-highest in the league, according to Pro Football Focus.

Aaron Rodgers had an average 2.86 seconds as a passer per play in 2014, third-highest in the league, according to Pro Football Focus.

His average time to being sacked was 3.72 seconds, fourth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers average time to being sacked was 3.97 seconds, second-highest in the league.

I will continue.

Kaepernick had an average time to throw of 2.68 seconds, fifth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers had an average time to throw of 2.66 seconds, seventh-highest in the league.
By the way, Andrew luck and Kaepernick had the same average time to throw.

Kaepernick had an average time to scramble of 4.96 seconds, twelfth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers had an average time to scramble of 5.58 seconds, fourth-highest in the league.

I do not think that the average times listed in PFF's Time in the Pocket signature statistics can be used as reliable indicators of a quarterback's responsibility for sacks taken.

Kaepernick was sacked 52 times last year.
Aaron Rodgers was sacked 28 times last year.

I agree with the underlined. There's a lot of context missing in that statistic. If a QB takes a three step drop and quickly gets rid of the ball, then the play design doesn't give him much time to hang onto the ball. That statistic will suffer, but it's due to the design of the play. If Kap takes a 5 step drop, is pressured immediately as he hits the top of his dropback, runs around to extend the play but ends up taking a sack, then that time gets extended, but the Oline sucked, not Kap.

I don't know if the author of that article actually watched the film or if he just derived his own conclusions based off the stats he referenced. In my observation, most of the time it was the Oline sucking.

Well said. This stat is misleading without proper context. It's still a nice stat, I don't know any other service other than PFF that tracks time in the pocket, but it's not perfect by any means. It's up to the user to make sense of it. Anyone who watched 49ers football this year knows the o-line was not good in pass protection.

Great article, thanks for posting. For me, without question is the lack of checkdowns and routes of WR. If you look at the 2.96 seconds being adequate to at least throw it away, you have to look at intentional grounding. To avoid it, you often need an RB or TE because they are close to the line of scrimmage and the QB is under duress so that he can't deliver a pass downfield sufficient enough to avoid a grounding call. After 3 seconds, a WR "in the area", they are well downfield. Kap's eyes aren't downfield when Iupati didn't touch his assignment or J Martin tripped on the 40 yard line, they are on the charging 280 lb man in the other jersey. Romans lack of adjustment was infantile like stubbornness.

Oline / Kap's decisions / coaching / using a comic book for a playbook =

Originally posted by buck:
Kaepernick had an average of 2.96 seconds as a passer per play in 2014, third-highest in the league, according to Pro Football Focus.

Aaron Rodgers had an average 2.86 seconds as a passer per play in 2014, third-highest in the league, according to Pro Football Focus.

His average time to being sacked was 3.72 seconds, fourth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers average time to being sacked was 3.97 seconds, second-highest in the league.

I will continue.

Kaepernick had an average time to throw of 2.68 seconds, fifth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers had an average time to throw of 2.66 seconds, seventh-highest in the league.
By the way, Andrew luck and Kaepernick had the same average time to throw.

Kaepernick had an average time to scramble of 4.96 seconds, twelfth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers had an average time to scramble of 5.58 seconds, fourth-highest in the league.

I do not think that the average times listed in PFF's Time in the Pocket signature statistics can be used as reliable indicators of a quarterback's responsibility for sacks taken.

Kaepernick was sacked 52 times last year.
Aaron Rodgers was sacked 28 times last year.

What point are you trying to make comparing Rodgers time to throw/sack/scramble vs Kaepernicks?

Originally posted by aTx49er:

Originally posted by buck:
Kaepernick had an average of 2.96 seconds as a passer per play in 2014, third-highest in the league, according to Pro Football Focus.

Aaron Rodgers had an average 2.86 seconds as a passer per play in 2014, third-highest in the league, according to Pro Football Focus.

His average time to being sacked was 3.72 seconds, fourth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers average time to being sacked was 3.97 seconds, second-highest in the league.

I will continue.

Kaepernick had an average time to throw of 2.68 seconds, fifth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers had an average time to throw of 2.66 seconds, seventh-highest in the league.
By the way, Andrew luck and Kaepernick had the same average time to throw.

Kaepernick had an average time to scramble of 4.96 seconds, twelfth-highest in the league.

Aaron Rodgers had an average time to scramble of 5.58 seconds, fourth-highest in the league.

I do not think that the average times listed in PFF's Time in the Pocket signature statistics can be used as reliable indicators of a quarterback's responsibility for sacks taken.

Kaepernick was sacked 52 times last year.
Aaron Rodgers was sacked 28 times last year.

What point are you trying to make comparing Rodgers time to throw/sack/scramble vs Kaepernicks?

Sorry, the point I was trying to make was:

I do not think that the average times listed in PFF's Time in the Pocket signature statistics can be used as reliable indicators of a quarterback's responsibility for sacks taken.

The various average times of Kaepernick and Rodgers were very close (among the 27 players listed) and the number of sacks taken were not.

If you look at the number of sacks taken by the quarterbacks listed and their average times, there is no apparent correlation between the sacks and those average times.

We would have to look at what is actually happening to determine if a quarterback is responsible for any given sack.

For instance Kap had a ton of time to throw on fourth and forever in NO. Do we really think that it was the OL affording Kap this time to throw? Same on the out of bounds fall away J to Boldin in STL. Kap does a great job of extending plays and giving himself more time to throw. Russell Wilson does as well but it ain't due to their OL

The Time in the Pocket tables from PFF are not easy to visualize.

The tables have three core components: average times, 2.5 seconds or less, and 2.5 seconds or more.

Here is what the average time component looks like.
Since the article talked about sacks, I inserted a column with the sacks taken by each of the quarterbacks.