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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Damnit. This is just not going to fit some narratives around here.


"This is one of the best offseasons we've had since I've been here," ninth-year lineman Joe Staley said. "Everybody is very focused and excited. New coaching staff, new energy, new ideas — I think that has something to do with it as well."

Running back Kendall Hunter said of Chryst: "He's been around and knows the players. We trust him."

Another goal is to bring tight end Vernon Davis back into a play-making fold. "The first two weeks of practice, I was kind of surprised," Davis said. "It's been a while since I caught that many balls in practice. But it's been like that the entire camp."

Chryst is moving him around in the pocket more, because: "That plays to Kap's advantage. He's always been good throwing both to his left and to his right."

Kaepernick, however, got sacked a franchise-record 52 times last season, and Chryst attributed that to multiple factors.

"You always want to stay healthy on the offensive line for cohesiveness, and maybe for the first couple years, we weren't," Chryst said. "And you have to want to get the ball out. If you're vulnerable, the defense will make you cry uncle. … Yeah, we're trying to play to Kap's strengths."

Tomsula said of Chryst: "He's done a tremendous job."

Wide receivers coach Adam Henry has been putting his corps through what he called "unique" drills, all in an effort to keep their hips low for leverage purposes. That should help them get off the line of scrimmage and create separation, which has been lacking in recent years. Helping Henry and fellow assistant Ronald Curry are veterans Anquan Boldin and Torrey Smith.

"Having the two vets like Boldin and Smith to learn from, if I'm a young guy, I'm happy," said Henry, noting that the receivers all need thick skin because "we love to critique each other."

"I see an amazing offensive coordinator (Geep); someone who wants to win, who's dedicated, and most importantly, he's all about the players," Vernon Davis said.

"The operative word is discernment," Logan said. "You've got a trump card available to you that some quarterbacks don't. What we need to learn is when to use the trump card and when not to. If we use the trump card too much, you'll devolve as a pocket passer. If you learn to use it at the appropriate times, you can really blossom as a pocket passer. " ...It's just, I really prefer to have that bonus attached to the quarterback position. Explosion plays -- that's where you make a living," Logan said.

In fact, Logan said he and offensive coordinator Geep Chryst would be willing to trade a high completion percentage during some games this season if the completions that Kaepernick did make were for big gains.

"He's got a boatload of gifts to work with."

The completion percentage, though, is what has Logan pumping the brakes. He would gladly sacrifice a few points off a completion percentage mark if it meant converting more "explosive" plays -- completions of at least 20 yards, in Logan's estimation.

"This young man has been in the 60-, 62-percent completion arena, which is plenty good enough to win with, and this is another thing when you start talking about quarterbacks that I'm very sensitive to," said Logan. "Explosion plays are, that's where you make your living."

"A balanced offense has the ability to respond to the present requirement," Logan said. "It's time to run the football? If we're a balanced offense, we should be able to run it. It's now time to throw the football? If we're a balanced offense we should be able to throw it. We've got some new toys to play with in Torrey Smith and Reggie Bush and getVernon Davis up and running again," Logan said. "I mean, we've got a wonderful cast of characters for Colin to work with."

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Defensive players have raved about how aggressive and unpredicatable they'll be under Eric Mangini, who was an offensive assistant the past two years before replacing defensive coordinator Vic Fangio.

"I couldn't say it is going to be highly aggressive, or categorize it," said Mangini, a former head coach of the Cleveland Browns and New York Jets. "We're trying to build in flexibility. As a play caller, I've blitzed 30 times and I've blitzed three times. It'll be week to week on that."

"One of the things that I believe in defensively is you have your core things that you do really well but you have to be in a position to be flexible," Mangini said. "As a play-caller, I've called games where we blitzed 30 times, and I've called games where we blitzed three times. I've always been a big believer to be game-plan specific. It's identifying what we can attack and what we have to stop. Then you have to have enough flexibility in the system to get those things done. So we'll evolve as the opponents go. But there has been really good depth built up here. If anything, the look and feel of the players is very consistent with what I've always had. (General manager) Trent (Baalke) and I were together in New York a long time ago with the Jets. So we share philosophically on what a lineman should look like, what a linebacker should look like and so on."

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While Chryst will call plays from up in the coaches' box, Mangini hasn't decided if he also will, having typically run defenses from the sideline.

"Well-coached teams don't have penalties," Chryst began. "We had six touchdowns nullified on penalties last year, five in the pass game and that's not good enough. You add those back in, and your 8-8 record, you can make a strong argument would have been 10-6. You can also make a strong argument that statistically that Kap was right where he was in the previous years. But the fouls happened.

"As coaches, we like to try to emphasize that as a do-right thing."

On the play clock issues: "It's like when you're driving down the street," the coach began, "you know when you're speeding and you know when you're not speeding. You don't always look down at the speedometer. So I think we're getting in and out of the huddle in such a way that we're not looking up at the clock. We're not speeding, but we're not stuck in rush-hour traffic either. We're not just fast for the sake of fast."

"Jimmy T loved the fact that I loved, and Geep Chryst loves, to push the ball down the field. Alright? So guess what...we've got some new toys to play with in Torrey Smith, Reggie Bush, get Vernon Davis up and running again, etc. We've got a wonderful cast of characters for Colin to work with...I think it will be fun to watch...completion percentage...you can take a young man and put him in an offense and really encourage him to hit the check down, hit the check down, hit the check down, and suddenly you look up and he's completing 68-70% and that's wonderful. But what did you sacrifice to get that done? We don't have any vertical passing game suddenly. So you've got to be careful with completion percentage," Steve Logan said.


http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-OC-Colin-Kaepernick-Is-Playing-with-A-Lot-of-Confidence/0e7d92f3-2dfa-4069-bc22-58e1ea8576ab

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2015/06/11/tomsulas-assistants-finally-talk-coordinators-discuss-their-new-approaches/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+49ersHotRead+%2849ers+Hot+Read%29

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article23805727.html#storylink=cpy

http://espn.go.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/13754/49ers-qb-coach-steve-logan-colin-kaepernick-has-a-boatload-of-gifts

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-DC-Eric-Mangini-Talks-Philosophy-Defensive-Personnel-Changes/7fa100e7-ec7e-40a0-a6fd-8c4d7d9593e3

http://www.49ers.com/video/videos/Quarterback-Coach-Steve-Logan-with-The-Media/70836895-9984-4329-831e-7690d09439fa

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article23819341.html

More great stuff added here. You can REALLY start to get a feel for what this offense and defense is going to look like. Great stuff. Exciting.

Love this...thank you Bali-Niner. I've been talking about "situational football" as being a HUGE issue for us over the years...so happy to hear that being addressed as well.

What needs to be better? What are some of the things that stood out that you'd like to really focus on once training camp begins?"Well, I think a continuation of some of the things you saw here with the situational football. We've just got to stay on it. Not that it's bad, but we've got to improve there. We've got to keep improving there. But, in every area, we have to improve in everything. Every area we've just got to keep getting better. Situationally, staying on top of that. That's been the emphasis here. And they're handling it real well right now. It's more of an introduction in three days, but we'll continue in that way and something every day."

Read more at http://www.49erswebzone.com/news/82974-transcript-jim-tomsula-speaks-about-end-minicamp/#q61PzcVvYtpcjhj7.99

You said that one of the aspects that you guys improved on was schematically. How much overhaul or did you have to blend in with the old scheme to the new scheme?"

Again, I'm staying away from, this isn't the old scheme. This is our scheme. This is the 49ers offensive schematic. It was installed. It's the 49ers defensive schematic, special teams schematic, player engagement schematic and we've installed them all and we own it and we're moving forward with it."

Read more at http://www.49erswebzone.com/news/82974-transcript-jim-tomsula-speaks-about-end-minicamp/#q61PzcVvYtpcjhj7.99 -->
Love it, love it, love it. Especially love Vernon's comments.

"I see an amazing offensive coordinator (Geep); someone who wants to win, who's dedicated, and most importantly, he's all about the players," Vernon Davis said.
I like that our new up tempo offense was Tomsula's idea from the start. I know a lot of people just think he only knows the DL or the defense, but it seems like he's smart enough to realize what works best on offense as well. He also realizes up tempo can really work well with Kap at the helm. Here's the quote from Geep's interview yesterday.

"The coaches are also emphasizing an up-tempo theme to this year's offseason work.

The idea was first developed by head coach Jim Tomsula, a well-rounded football mind who informed his offensive staff that the toughest teams to defend all played with great urgency"

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-OC-Colin-Kaepernick-Is-Playing-with-A-Lot-of-Confidence/0e7d92f3-2dfa-4069-bc22-58e1ea8576ab
Originally posted by Luckycharms:
I like that our new up tempo offense was Tomsula's idea from the start. I know a lot of people just think he only knows the DL or the defense, but it seems like he's smart enough to realize what works best on offense as well. He also realizes up tempo can really work well with Kap at the helm. Here's the quote from Geep's interview yesterday.

"The coaches are also emphasizing an up-tempo theme to this year's offseason work.

The idea was first developed by head coach Jim Tomsula, a well-rounded football mind who informed his offensive staff that the toughest teams to defend all played with great urgency"

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-OC-Colin-Kaepernick-Is-Playing-with-A-Lot-of-Confidence/0e7d92f3-2dfa-4069-bc22-58e1ea8576ab

Yup. Justin Smith said it in an interview a few years back. Tomsula is a not a meat-head, d-line only coach. He has a clear understanding of all things football and he teaches extremely well. Tailoring the schemes to fit specifically to the player's strengths is exactly what we needed, especially as it pertains to Kaepernick.
[ Edited by SofaKing on Jun 12, 2015 at 2:32 PM ]
Originally posted by cciowa:
our new coach certainly sounds like he has a appreciation for our past and is not threatened by x niner players or ideas that still may be relevant in todays nfl.

Im still kind of on the coaching changes but Tomsula does not seem like an ideologue philosophy wise.

The last 3 coaches, especially Singletary and Harbaugh were. It was going to be done their way or else. Tomsula seems less rigid, more open to trying new approaches if they could lead to a better ourcome. I think we could see some real improvement on offense largely because Tomsula doesnt seem overly attached to 3 yards and a cloud of dust. He isnt going to stick to something because that is just the way Mike Ditka or Bo Schembechler did it back in the day.

He's also had a front row seat to the shortcomings of the head coaches he has worked under. He may not always know what to do but he has a terrific education on what NOT to do and chief on that list is being unreasonably stubborn and resistant to change.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Jun 12, 2015 at 2:47 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by cciowa:
our new coach certainly sounds like he has a appreciation for our past and is not threatened by x niner players or ideas that still may be relevant in todays nfl.

Im still kind of on the coaching changes but Tomsula does not seem like an ideologue philosophy wise.

The last 3 coaches, especially Singletary and Harbaugh were. It was going to be done their way or else. Tomsula seems less rigid, more open to trying new approaches if they could lead to a better ourcome. I think we could see some real improvement on offense largely because Tomsula doesnt seem overly attached to 3 yards and a cloud of dust. He isnt going to stick to something because that is just the way Mike Ditka or Bo Schembechler did it back in the day.

He's also had a front row seat to the shortcomings of the head coaches he has worked under. He may not always know what to do but he has a terrific education on what NOT to do and chief on that list is being unreasonably stubborn and resistant to change.

Well stated. Even better point!
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Im still kind of on the coaching changes but Tomsula does not seem like an ideologue philosophy wise.

The last 3 coaches, especially Singletary and Harbaugh were. It was going to be done their way or else. Tomsula seems less rigid, more open to trying new approaches if they could lead to a better ourcome. I think we could see some real improvement on offense largely because Tomsula doesnt seem overly attached to 3 yards and a cloud of dust. He isnt going to stick to something because that is just the way Mike Ditka or Bo Schembechler did it back in the day.

He's also had a front row seat to the shortcomings of the head coaches he has worked under. He may not always know what to do but he has a terrific education on what NOT to do and chief on that list is being unreasonably stubborn and resistant to change.

I agree, that's a really good take. Tomsula doesn't look like the stubborn type. He's going to be open to new things, and he'll try whatever puts the players in the best position to succeed.

I think that personality trait will help him with all the managerial stuff that comes along with being a head coach. People rave about his knowledge of X's and O's, but his team management skill will go along way toward determining if he's successful.

We still have the run-the-ball, play great defense mentality. But how we go about it will change in an effort to better take advantage of the talent on the roster.
[ Edited by SofaKing on Jun 12, 2015 at 2:54 PM ]
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by cciowa:
our new coach certainly sounds like he has a appreciation for our past and is not threatened by x niner players or ideas that still may be relevant in todays nfl.

Im still kind of on the coaching changes but Tomsula does not seem like an ideologue philosophy wise.

The last 3 coaches, especially Singletary and Harbaugh were. It was going to be done their way or else. Tomsula seems less rigid, more open to trying new approaches if they could lead to a better ourcome. I think we could see some real improvement on offense largely because Tomsula doesnt seem overly attached to 3 yards and a cloud of dust. He isnt going to stick to something because that is just the way Mike Ditka or Bo Schembechler did it back in the day.

He's also had a front row seat to the shortcomings of the head coaches he has worked under. He may not always know what to do but he has a terrific education on what NOT to do and chief on that list is being unreasonably stubborn and resistant to change.

Tomsula seems like a good I just hope he can be a good HC as he was Dline coach. I have my doubts but wish him nothing but success.
Originally posted by susweel:
Tomsula seems like a good I just hope he can be a good HC as he was Dline coach. I have my doubts but wish him nothing but success.

That's cool!
Originally posted by susweel:
Tomsula seems like a good I just hope he can be a good HC as he was Dline coach. I have my doubts but wish him nothing but success.

Somebody hacked Sus's account guise....
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Im still kind of on the coaching changes but Tomsula does not seem like an ideologue philosophy wise.

The last 3 coaches, especially Singletary and Harbaugh were. It was going to be done their way or else. Tomsula seems less rigid, more open to trying new approaches if they could lead to a better ourcome. I think we could see some real improvement on offense largely because Tomsula doesnt seem overly attached to 3 yards and a cloud of dust. He isnt going to stick to something because that is just the way Mike Ditka or Bo Schembechler did it back in the day.

He's also had a front row seat to the shortcomings of the head coaches he has worked under. He may not always know what to do but he has a terrific education on what NOT to do and chief on that list is being unreasonably stubborn and resistant to change.

I agree, that's a really good take. Tomsula doesn't look like the stubborn type. He's going to be open to new things, and he'll try whatever puts the players in the best position to succeed.

I think that personality trait will help him with all the managerial stuff that comes along with being a head coach. People rave about his knowledge of X's and O's, but his team management skill will go along way toward determining if he's successful.

We still have the run-the-ball, play great defense mentality. But how we go about it will change in an effort to better take advantage of the talent on the roster.



Belicheck has made a HOF coaching career doing that very thing.
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I say we put all our money on this year's 1st game vs the Vikings!!!

I can see Coach T getting his 1st game ball already!!
Originally posted by 9moon:
I say we put all our money on this year's 1st game vs the Vikings!!!

I can see Coach T getting his 1st game ball already!!

Please explain..
Originally posted by susweel:
Tomsula seems like AN ITALIAN GOD. I just hope he can be a good HC as he was Dline coach. I have my doubts but wish him nothing but success.

Ftfy.

But seriously, wasn't thrilled with many of the decisions made after the season. JT as head coach seemed lackluster, some of the position coaches had failed as head coach. Then players start to retire, and we pick AA up in the first round. Then another player retires. But lurking here reading the discussions and getting great insights by great posters the negativity for me started to become positive. Yeah, it's not going to be easy and an 8-8 season is a 50/50 flip of the coin chance. (not sure our record but we make the playoffs IMO) . But this team can do it. We lost players, we gained players. Now it's time to see what our future holds. If we bomb it's probably gonna get rough. But if we excel, than I hope we can all enjoy great football and many SB's. #1stTo10
Originally posted by ToneLoce:
Ftfy.

But seriously, wasn't thrilled with many of the decisions made after the season. JT as head coach seemed lackluster, some of the position coaches had failed as head coach. Then players start to retire, and we pick AA up in the first round. Then another player retires. But lurking here reading the discussions and getting great insights by great posters the negativity for me started to become positive. Yeah, it's not going to be easy and an 8-8 season is a 50/50 flip of the coin chance. (not sure our record but we make the playoffs IMO) . But this team can do it. We lost players, we gained players. Now it's time to see what our future holds. If we bomb it's probably gonna get rough. But if we excel, than I hope we can all enjoy great football and many SB's. #1stTo10

Position coaches that are failed head coaches is generally a good thing. Means they were good enough at coaching their position group to merit a promotion.
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