The 49ers 2015 Coaching Search Thread(All Rumors Here) | Page 8

Phoenix49ers · 2014-12-17T09:10:01-08:00

Updated the last thread, added a couple new choices that came up, eliminated some of the least popular ones, so here we go. Please put all coaching rumors and debate in this thread rather than creating new ones. My quick thoughts on each candidate. Mike Holmgren-A coaching great, a Super Bowl winner, great with QB's and a local guy. The downside is that he's 67, has been out of coaching for awhile and I don't know how strong the motivation is to put in the ridiculous hours that being a head coach requires. He seems interested according to various reports, but guys with that lengthy of a layoff from coaching don't often tend to do well. Pep Hamilton-The Colts offense has been explosive, Hamilton has done a very good job in utilizing the various pieces of his offense. However it has not been a very balanced offense, they obviously lacking talent at RB but it leaves one to wonder whether Luck is more responsible for the success that Indy has had than Hamilton. Adam Gase-Definitely a favorite of mine, has had some highly successful people vouching for him, is seeing as one of the top head coaching candidates going into 2015, could have had a job as a head coach in 2014 but turned it down in favor of more seasoning. Has shown he's very flexible in his approach, having coached Tebow and helped adjust the offense for him as well as having earned the respect of Manning for his offensive creativity. Young coach and just as with Hamilton, there's questions about whether his success has more to do with the quarterback running the offense than him. Gary Kubiak-All in all this this might be the best, most balanced candidate IMO. Was the QB coach on the 1994 49ers Superbowl team, recognized as having a tremendous offensive mind, his work with Baltimore as their OC has been outstanding. Their offense is ranked in the Top 10 of the NFL for the first time since 1997. A Ravens OL that was one of the worst in the NFL last season now all of a sudden is among the best in yards rushing before contact(3.1) and a low amount of sacks. Flacco is thriving and Justin Forsett has looked beastly in Kubiak's zone blocking scheme. Has head coaching experience, but isn't super old, only a few years older than Harbaugh was. Well experienced guy who has won Superbowl's as a QB coach and an OC. In the event that the 49ers were to lose Fangio, Kubiak could have Wade Phillips on deck to be the defensive coordinator. Issues to look at would be what changes he would make since things fell apart with the Texans and especially to look at health related concerns. But all in all, Kubiak presents the fewest concerns in my mind and from top to bottom would be dealing with a better roster than he ever had with the Texans. Vic Fangio-Seemingly the most popular internal candidate from these forums. A tremendous DC with a lot of coaching experience. Respected by the players and could probably keep most of the defensive staff intact. The familiarity would still remain as Fangio has been here for the entire Harbaugh era making for perhaps a much smoother transition. The downside is now that you need to find a quality OC and be at that person's mercy essentially the same way Nolan was. Jim Mora-He was brought up in a few places as a guy that would be interested perhaps in the 49ers making him an offer. Was a DC with the 49ers for quite a few years, also has head coaching experience in the NFL. Not a guy I'm real thrilled about but someone that has been brought up enough times to warrant consideration here. David Shaw-Seen as a popular choice, local guy, much more affable and media-friendly than Harbaugh is. Experienced coach that has been around a bit but the downside is that he's been criticized for similar struggles as this offense has had, scoring in the red zone....etc. I think his hiring would largely depend on who he brings to the table as an OC.

Dec 17, 2014 at 5:47 PM

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LVJay
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Promoting Vic isn't an option. If Jim leaves, he leaves.

And you know this how exactly? Fangio was an assistant and a defensive coordinator in the NFL for 24 years before he got involved with Jim Harbaugh, just because he came over with with him from Stanford doesn't mean he's going to go bouncing around the NFL just because he does. Fangio's contract also lasts through 2015, meaning he can't just up and leave suddenly unless its for a head coaching position.

If the 49ers offered him a head coaching spot, it'd be silly to think he'd turn it down so he could play Robin to Harbaugh's Batman.

HE WON'T be following Harbaugh / Roman... he's tired of carrying the team. He wants to win a SB. Their comical playbook would only slow him down. It's hard enough to defend against one offense, but when your own team's offense keeps screwing up and making defense stay on the field all the time, it gets played out fast.

I don't think he enjoys battling two offenses game after game after game after game

Dec 17, 2014 at 5:54 PM

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NOW, I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Fangio as HC

Imagine what kind of guys he'd be wanting to get in here (on the defense). Get a top OC in here and this could really work out well. The players already know / like him. He doesn't BS around, he's straight up and will just bench a diva for underperforming ASAP!

Dec 17, 2014 at 5:59 PM

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Originally posted by LVJay:
NOW, I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Fangio as HC

Imagine what kind of guys he'd be wanting to get in here (on the defense). Get a top OC in here and this could really work out well. The players already know / like him. He doesn't BS around, he's straight up and will just bench a diva for underperforming ASAP!

I don't think you need Fangio as HC to bring in talented defensive players. Baalke is still going to be calling the shots in the front office and I don't think he's had a problem bringing in good quality defensive players. The biggest issue with Fangio as a HC to me is now you're going to be replacing your OC fairly regularly if they are any good.

So either they suck and they stick around for a few seasons, or they are good, they leave for a new team and now you've got a new guy coming in with a new playbook, not really the ideal environment for a young quarterback.

Dec 17, 2014 at 6:00 PM

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For me my top guys are Pep, Jim Tomsula or Mike Holmgren if he is serious about coaching again. IF and big IF Peyton is available him and Vic Fangio would be nasty as they won a ring before together.

I really hope harbaugh stays though love this guy its roman who is a cancer

Dec 17, 2014 at 6:07 PM

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Originally posted by Axl49:
For me my top guys are Pep, Jim Tomsula or Mike Holmgren if he is serious about coaching again. IF and big IF Peyton is available him and Vic Fangio would be nasty as they won a ring before together.

I really hope harbaugh stays though love this guy its roman who is a cancer

When did they ever work together in the first place. When did Fangio ever win a Superbowl.

Dec 17, 2014 at 6:09 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I don't think you need Fangio as HC to bring in talented defensive players. Baalke is still going to be calling the shots in the front office and I don't think he's had a problem bringing in good quality defensive players. The biggest issue with Fangio as a HC to me is now you're going to be replacing your OC fairly regularly if they are any good.

So either they suck and they stick around for a few seasons, or they are good, they leave for a new team and now you've got a new guy coming in with a new playbook, not really the ideal environment for a young quarterback.

This is exactly how I feel. Nolan had a hard time keeping and good OC. McCarthy one year, Turner one year, the list keep going. Higher a head coach that can run the offense so it will not need to change every year with a new OC.

Dec 17, 2014 at 6:11 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LVJay:
NOW, I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Fangio as HC

Imagine what kind of guys he'd be wanting to get in here (on the defense). Get a top OC in here and this could really work out well. The players already know / like him. He doesn't BS around, he's straight up and will just bench a diva for underperforming ASAP!

I don't think you need Fangio as HC to bring in talented defensive players. Baalke is still going to be calling the shots in the front office and I don't think he's had a problem bringing in good quality defensive players. The biggest issue with Fangio as a HC to me is now you're going to be replacing your OC fairly regularly if they are any good.

So either they suck and they stick around for a few seasons, or they are good, they leave for a new team and now you've got a new guy coming in with a new playbook, not really the ideal environment for a young quarterback.

So, I was starting to warm up to the idea, but now you're trying to make me luke warm / cold

Dec 17, 2014 at 6:16 PM

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Originally posted by LVJay:
So, I was starting to warm up to the idea, but now you're trying to make me luke warm / cold

My main reservation about a defensive coach.....how can you ensure continuity on offense. Baltimore is having a lot of success on offense this season but if Kubiak bounces on them after a season, where does that leave them. I still have nightmares of the yearly rotating OC's here.

Dec 17, 2014 at 6:16 PM

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How about fangio at hc and bring in trestman for OC when he gets canned in Chicago. He runs a very qb friendly offense and I'm sure he won't be getting any hc gigs anytime soon after his cutler circus.

Dec 17, 2014 at 6:21 PM

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Originally posted by Tman:
How about fangio at hc and bring in trestman for OC when he gets canned in Chicago. He runs a very qb friendly offense and I'm sure he won't be getting any hc gigs anytime soon after his cutler circus.

Assuming he even wants an OC position and doesn't just head back to Canada again like "screw you guys."

Dec 17, 2014 at 6:28 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LVJay:
So, I was starting to warm up to the idea, but now you're trying to make me luke warm / cold

My main reservation about a defensive coach.....how can you ensure continuity on offense. Baltimore is having a lot of success on offense this season but if Kubiak bounces on them after a season, where does that leave them. I still have nightmares of the yearly rotating OC's here.

I can just picture Fangio in interviews and on the sidelines (calm/collective) with his best Robert Deniro impersonations

Dec 17, 2014 at 9:23 PM

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Originally posted by CWin4949:
Lol....who's "we're"......

Dude just posted a top 3 defense with players off the scrap pile. No one in the entire league would have guessed that this years 49er defense would have played so gooed especially when Aldon Smith missed more than half the season.
You don't replace Fangio's proven success with a brand new coaching staff.

I don't care if we have a new OC every single year if it means the Defense can stay at a high level and we can manage to put together good STs.

We can't lose ground on the the defense that has been built over the past 4 years.

Well, we had a really good defense this year, and we're still gonna be rooting for Not Seattle in the playoffs. Here is our chance to get better on offense, while preserving the defense (defensive staff still under contract).

Dec 17, 2014 at 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
My main reservation about a defensive coach.....how can you ensure continuity on offense. Baltimore is having a lot of success on offense this season but if Kubiak bounces on them after a season, where does that leave them. I still have nightmares of the yearly rotating OC's here.

This! I'm probably too stuck on this but the early career of Alex Smith was so dam hard to watch that I don't ever want to see the revolving OCs again. Looking back I feel so bad for Smith, Gore, Staley...all the guys who had to suffer through that annual relearning process only to be blamed for not being a fluid offense.

Dec 17, 2014 at 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Well, we had a really good defense this year, and we're still gonna be rooting for Not Seattle in the playoffs. Here is our chance to get better on offense, while preserving the defense (defensive staff still under contract).

LOL! This year may set a record for me rooting against teams! Seattle, Arizona, Dallas, San Diego, NE...I'll have to subdue my pride and hope for Green Bay (not wild about them but always liked that Cal guy), Denver (even though Manning upsets my stomach with his whining), Colts for Luck, KC for Smith, Charles and Reid...must be someone else.

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Dec 17, 2014 at 10:46 PM ]

Dec 17, 2014 at 10:50 PM

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i want an offensive minded coach if harbaugh leaves (and i dont blame him at all if he does with our immature owner and baalke f**king with him indirectly) i dont want a defensive coach who is at the mercy of his OC possibly leaving every year. weve been through that and it sucks. get a coach with a track record of burying the other team and not taking his foot off the pedal until the last whistle blows. i want a coach whos an a*****e like belicheck, peyton or fisher. they dont stop scoring til the game is over if theyre up.