Seattle Seahawks coaches Film analysis (week 15)

Originally posted by sanjo49er:
man!!! Had Patton Open again. Take what the Defense gives you.

i think if he steps up ...like he should have... and that defender isn't right there he probably attempts a pass.i can't really blame anything on this one. he escapes the pressure by stepping up and buying some time. boone probably thinks the pass is gone already.. but because of the pressure it wasn't and then the guy that seals the deal for kap scrambling boone is standing right by and doesn't block him until its way too late.

just one of those plays.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Hey thl or jonny I was reading cosell's analysis of Kap this week and he quoted one play where Kap got sacked but said the play design was perfect against the defense called. I was wondering if you could find this play and show it, it must be one of his 6 sacks. Thanks again for this thread, even when we lose I enjoy looking at the film. Here's the quote.

"Believe me, they're designing things that should work. One of his sacks came on a play where the ball had to be thrown. It was the perfect route call against the coverage, and the ball had to be thrown. Only he can tell you why he didn't throw it."

I think this is the play he is referring to. I was chronologically going through the game, but I wasn't planning on going into the 49ers' 4Q possessions anyway because the Moody personal foul call was horse poop and it was then I knew the game was over. But here it is.

4Q 2nd & 9
49ers: To Kap's right is the Sail concept (Ellington + Patton + VD). Ellingon's route is a clearing route to push the deep 1/3 defender (blue) back and out of the area they want to attack. The curl/flat defender (orange) is who the 49ers want to attack.
SEA: cover3


After completing the playaction, Kap starts to slide right, but has to halt because of pressure off the edge. Millerwill shove the pass rusher out of harms way. VD flat route draws the attention of the curl/flat defender.


As Kap steps up in the pocket to buy time, orange is shaded towards VD and there is a vacant area behind him due to Ellington and VD's route. Kap stepping up also causes the hook/curl defender to step forward because he thinks Kap might scramble. This is more than enough time for Patton to work his away across the field which allows this route combination to completely develop. Kap starts looking towards Alonzo Smith's direction.


Kap continues to look to ASmith which I think causes some of the separation for Patton.


Scramble for +8




Kap bought time for himself and for the route combination with his step up into the pocket. Then he didn't give the concept a chance by looking backside too soon.

In the 2nd GIF look at Ellington's and Patton's speed on their routes. They are both visably faster than our starting wr trio, I really wish we would play them more these final 2 games.

Originally posted by thl408:
I just read what Cossell wrote again and it said the play was a sack. Oops. I'll take another look tomorrow.

I just looked at all the sacks from this game (6).

Sack #1: 1Q - On 3rd and 10, the SEA comes with cover1 sending 5 man pressure. Boone is shoved back into the pocket and Kap runs around to get sacked for -3. Cosell is not talking about this play.

Sack #2: post#76 - If Cosell is talking about this play, it's a bit harsh. VD might have been targeted, but it's versus Sherman who is lanky and had his hips turned running with VD. I'm not gonna fault Kap here.

Sack #3: post#83 - This might be the play Cosell is talking about. I thought Kap could have pulled the trigger and got rid of the ball, but a tad harsh of an assessment.

Sack #4: 3Q 3rd & 9: SEA sends 6 man pressure. Kap gets pressure in his face just as he completes his dropback. Cosell is not talking about this play.

Sack #5: 3Q 3rd & 10: SEA sends 5 man pressure and plays man coverage. 49ers run the same concepts in post#55. In the play here, the 49ers mess up on route running as the Mesh concept almost collides with one another (Lloyd+Crabs). Boldin's intermediate crosser could have been available, but the play never gets a chance to develop due to pressure. Cosell is not talking about this play.


Sack #6: 4Q 2nd & 10: SEA sends 5 man pressure and Kap is pressured immediately as he completes his dropback. Cosell is not talking about this play.

So either Cosell is talking about Sack #3, which is a little harsh, or he is talking about the play in post#87 which wasn't a sack, but a scramble. I think Cosell misspoke and thought it was a sack. Sail concept is a good cover3 buster and Kap did not allow the concept to develop before moving away from it.

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Luckycharms:
Hey thl or jonny I was reading cosell's analysis of Kap this week and he quoted one play where Kap got sacked but said the play design was perfect against the defense called. I was wondering if you could find this play and show it, it must be one of his 6 sacks. Thanks again for this thread, even when we lose I enjoy looking at the film. Here's the quote.

"Believe me, they're designing things that should work. One of his sacks came on a play where the ball had to be thrown. It was the perfect route call against the coverage, and the ball had to be thrown. Only he can tell you why he didn't throw it."

I think this is the play he is referring to. I was chronologically going through the game, but I wasn't planning on going into the 49ers' 4Q possessions anyway because the Moody personal foul call was horse poop and it was then I knew the game was over. But here it is.

4Q 2nd & 9
49ers: To Kap's right is the Sail concept (Ellington + Patton + VD). Ellingon's route is a clearing route to push the deep 1/3 defender (blue) back and out of the area they want to attack. The curl/flat defender (orange) is who the 49ers want to attack.
SEA: cover3


After completing the playaction, Kap starts to slide right, but has to halt because of pressure off the edge. Millerwill shove the pass rusher out of harms way. VD flat route draws the attention of the curl/flat defender.


As Kap steps up in the pocket to buy time, orange is shaded towards VD and there is a vacant area behind him due to Ellington and VD's route. Kap stepping up also causes the hook/curl defender to step forward because he thinks Kap might scramble. This is more than enough time for Patton to work his away across the field which allows this route combination to completely develop. Kap starts looking towards Alonzo Smith's direction.


Kap continues to look to ASmith which I think causes some of the separation for Patton.


Scramble for +8




Kap bought time for himself and for the route combination with his step up into the pocket. Then he didn't give the concept a chance by looking backside too soon.

In the 2nd GIF look at Ellington's and Patton's speed on their routes. They are both visably faster than our starting wr trio, I really wish we would play them more these final 2 games.

Troy Aikman called this play out live, that Patton was the primary target and Kap never saw him. His running is a threat, but, completing the pass forces the defense to adjust things....

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by sanjo49er:
man!!! Had Patton Open again. Take what the Defense gives you.

i think if he steps up ...like he should have... and that defender isn't right there he probably attempts a pass.i can't really blame anything on this one. he escapes the pressure by stepping up and buying some time. boone probably thinks the pass is gone already.. but because of the pressure it wasn't and then the guy that seals the deal for kap scrambling boone is standing right by and doesn't block him until its way too late.

just one of those plays.

You are too kind jonesadrian. This is the key frame where Kap should still be looking at Patton's route to develop and gets into a throwing posture, but instead moves away from Patton to look at Alfonso Smith on the backside wheel route...Alfonso Smith...on a backside wheel route.

What I don't get is how both Harbaugh and Roman spoke about Kaep's knowledge of this offense "inside out".. . that he'd know what to do even if the play calling goes bad..

what I learned this year is what Nevada's coaches didn't tell us about Keap all 3 years... and that is he can't read nor see the whole field developing..

Originally posted by 9moon:
What I don't get is how both Harbaugh and Roman spoke about Kaep's knowledge of this offense "inside out".. . that he'd know what to do even if the play calling goes bad..

what I learned this year is what Nevada's coaches didn't tell us about Keap all 3 years... and that is he can't read nor see the whole field developing..

Greg Roman, is that you?

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:

Originally posted by 9moon:
What I don't get is how both Harbaugh and Roman spoke about Kaep's knowledge of this offense "inside out".. . that he'd know what to do even if the play calling goes bad..

what I learned this year is what Nevada's coaches didn't tell us about Keap all 3 years... and that is he can't read nor see the whole field developing..

Greg Roman, is that you?

I love 9moon posts. Totally bats**t crazy. You mean, Ault didn't tell the 49ers the best QB to ever touch a football wearing a Wolfpack uniform, couldn't read a defense?

Roman and Harbaugh are damn lucky the guy isn't ripping them to pieces in an honest, public, analysis of how they've been running the offense for the past four seasons.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by thl408:
I just read what Cossell wrote again and it said the play was a sack. Oops. I'll take another look tomorrow.

I just looked at all the sacks from this game (6).

Sack #1: 1Q - On 3rd and 10, the SEA comes with cover1 sending 5 man pressure. Boone is shoved back into the pocket and Kap runs around to get sacked for -3. Cosell is not talking about this play.

Sack #2: post#76 - If Cosell is talking about this play, it's a bit harsh. VD might have been targeted, but it's versus Sherman who is lanky and had his hips turned running with VD. I'm not gonna fault Kap here.

Sack #3: post#83 - This might be the play Cosell is talking about. I thought Kap could have pulled the trigger and got rid of the ball, but a tad harsh of an assessment.

Sack #4: 3Q 3rd & 9: SEA sends 6 man pressure. Kap gets pressure in his face just as he completes his dropback. Cosell is not talking about this play.

Sack #5: 3Q 3rd & 10: SEA sends 5 man pressure and plays man coverage. 49ers run the same concepts in post#55. In the play here, the 49ers mess up on route running as the Mesh concept almost collides with one another (Lloyd+Crabs). Boldin's intermediate crosser could have been available, but the play never gets a chance to develop due to pressure. Cosell is not talking about this play.


Sack #6: 4Q 2nd & 10: SEA sends 5 man pressure and Kap is pressured immediately as he completes his dropback. Cosell is not talking about this play.

So either Cosell is talking about Sack #3, which is a little harsh, or he is talking about the play in post#87 which wasn't a sack, but a scramble. I think Cosell misspoke and thought it was a sack. Sail concept is a good cover3 buster and Kap did not allow the concept to develop before moving away from it.

Thank you.
But people aren't going to take the time to look at the plays like you and I do to see if its actually true.
Just trust his word and repeat it as fact when it's not.
He's been a one track mind when it comes to Kap for a while now.
I saw what you saw, was just waiting on you to say it before I did.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by sanjo49er:
man!!! Had Patton Open again. Take what the Defense gives you.

i think if he steps up ...like he should have... and that defender isn't right there he probably attempts a pass.i can't really blame anything on this one. he escapes the pressure by stepping up and buying some time. boone probably thinks the pass is gone already.. but because of the pressure it wasn't and then the guy that seals the deal for kap scrambling boone is standing right by and doesn't block him until its way too late.

just one of those plays.

You are too kind jonesadrian. This is the key frame where Kap should still be looking at Patton's route to develop and gets into a throwing posture, but instead moves away from Patton to look at Alfonso Smith on the backside wheel route...Alfonso Smith...on a backside wheel route.

I get what you're saying, He left that side too soon, well totally due to pressure. He has to stay on it longer even when pressure is there. he did everything right but keep waiting for it to develop.

I get that and agree.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by thl408:
I just read what Cossell wrote again and it said the play was a sack. Oops. I'll take another look tomorrow.

I just looked at all the sacks from this game (6).

Sack #1: 1Q - On 3rd and 10, the SEA comes with cover1 sending 5 man pressure. Boone is shoved back into the pocket and Kap runs around to get sacked for -3. Cosell is not talking about this play.

Sack #2: post#76 - If Cosell is talking about this play, it's a bit harsh. VD might have been targeted, but it's versus Sherman who is lanky and had his hips turned running with VD. I'm not gonna fault Kap here.

Sack #3: post#83 - This might be the play Cosell is talking about. I thought Kap could have pulled the trigger and got rid of the ball, but a tad harsh of an assessment.

Sack #4: 3Q 3rd & 9: SEA sends 6 man pressure. Kap gets pressure in his face just as he completes his dropback. Cosell is not talking about this play.

Sack #5: 3Q 3rd & 10: SEA sends 5 man pressure and plays man coverage. 49ers run the same concepts in post#55. In the play here, the 49ers mess up on route running as the Mesh concept almost collides with one another (Lloyd+Crabs). Boldin's intermediate crosser could have been available, but the play never gets a chance to develop due to pressure. Cosell is not talking about this play.


Sack #6: 4Q 2nd & 10: SEA sends 5 man pressure and Kap is pressured immediately as he completes his dropback. Cosell is not talking about this play.

So either Cosell is talking about Sack #3, which is a little harsh, or he is talking about the play in post#87 which wasn't a sack, but a scramble. I think Cosell misspoke and thought it was a sack. Sail concept is a good cover3 buster and Kap did not allow the concept to develop before moving away from it.

Thank you.
But people aren't going to take the time to look at the plays like you and I do to see if its actually true.
Just trust his word and repeat it as fact when it's not.
He's been a one track mind when it comes to Kap for a while now.
I saw what you saw, was just waiting on you to say it before I did.

It is never a good thing when your left guard is chasing a DT like he just stole is lunch money.

Originally posted by Geeked:

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:

Originally posted by 9moon:
What I don't get is how both Harbaugh and Roman spoke about Kaep's knowledge of this offense "inside out".. . that he'd know what to do even if the play calling goes bad..

what I learned this year is what Nevada's coaches didn't tell us about Keap all 3 years... and that is he can't read nor see the whole field developing..

Greg Roman, is that you?

I love 9moon posts. Totally bats**t crazy. You mean, Ault didn't tell the 49ers the best QB to ever touch a football wearing a Wolfpack uniform, couldn't read a defense?

Roman and Harbaugh are damn lucky the guy isn't ripping them to pieces in an honest, public, analysis of how they've been running the offense for the past four seasons.

Just this season really.
Last season they do deserve some criticism because they kept kyle williams as the #2 when Kap didn't trust him to catch any passes and he was right not to.
that limited the offense more than anything.. having only 2 receiving options for more than half the season.

this year they didn't play to the receivers strengths at all and didn't adjust to a line that was really below average in run and pass blocking.. just either beat physically or blew assignments flat out

the speed routes... get ellington and patton in there to run them... please.. stop counting on lloyd to run the vertical routes... he is't burning by anybody neither is boldin neither is crab. vd is hurt
stop doing it and we never did..
start running precision routes start running ball control passing starting doing some of the things we did this past sunday.. but do it from week 2 on..
or
get ellington on the field (when he was healthy to start) or get patton activated so he can stretch the defense and get these chunk yards
we dial up chunk plays with people who can't get chunk yards and it takes them entirely too long to get to a spot while the line surrenders pressure.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by Geeked:

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:

Originally posted by 9moon:
What I don't get is how both Harbaugh and Roman spoke about Kaep's knowledge of this offense "inside out".. . that he'd know what to do even if the play calling goes bad..

what I learned this year is what Nevada's coaches didn't tell us about Keap all 3 years... and that is he can't read nor see the whole field developing..

Greg Roman, is that you?

I love 9moon posts. Totally bats**t crazy. You mean, Ault didn't tell the 49ers the best QB to ever touch a football wearing a Wolfpack uniform, couldn't read a defense?

Roman and Harbaugh are damn lucky the guy isn't ripping them to pieces in an honest, public, analysis of how they've been running the offense for the past four seasons.

Just this season really.
Last season they do deserve some criticism because they kept kyle williams as the #2 when Kap didn't trust him to catch any passes and he was right not to.
that limited the offense more than anything.. having only 2 receiving options for more than half the season.

this year they didn't play to the receivers strengths at all and didn't adjust to a line that was really below average in run and pass blocking.. just either beat physically or blew assignments flat out

the speed routes... get ellington and patton in there to run them... please.. stop counting on lloyd to run the vertical routes... he is't burning by anybody neither is boldin neither is crab. vd is hurt
stop doing it and we never did..
start running precision routes start running ball control passing starting doing some of the things we did this past sunday.. but do it from week 2 on..
or
get ellington on the field (when he was healthy to start) or get patton activated so he can stretch the defense and get these chunk yards
we dial up chunk plays with people who can't get chunk yards and it takes them entirely too long to get to a spot while the line surrenders pressure.

Agreed. Crabtree is a pure possession receiver, and isn't getting by anyone who pays attention to him. Boldin looks like he is in pain when he is running. Davis looks like he doesn't want to be on the field. Yet, somehow we cannot get Ellington (when healthy) or Patton on the field. Just stupid.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by thl408:
I just read what Cossell wrote again and it said the play was a sack. Oops. I'll take another look tomorrow.

I just looked at all the sacks from this game (6).

Sack #1: 1Q - On 3rd and 10, the SEA comes with cover1 sending 5 man pressure. Boone is shoved back into the pocket and Kap runs around to get sacked for -3. Cosell is not talking about this play.

Sack #2: post#76 - If Cosell is talking about this play, it's a bit harsh. VD might have been targeted, but it's versus Sherman who is lanky and had his hips turned running with VD. I'm not gonna fault Kap here.

Sack #3: post#83 - This might be the play Cosell is talking about. I thought Kap could have pulled the trigger and got rid of the ball, but a tad harsh of an assessment.

Sack #4: 3Q 3rd & 9: SEA sends 6 man pressure. Kap gets pressure in his face just as he completes his dropback. Cosell is not talking about this play.

Sack #5: 3Q 3rd & 10: SEA sends 5 man pressure and plays man coverage. 49ers run the same concepts in post#55. In the play here, the 49ers mess up on route running as the Mesh concept almost collides with one another (Lloyd+Crabs). Boldin's intermediate crosser could have been available, but the play never gets a chance to develop due to pressure. Cosell is not talking about this play.


Sack #6: 4Q 2nd & 10: SEA sends 5 man pressure and Kap is pressured immediately as he completes his dropback. Cosell is not talking about this play.

So either Cosell is talking about Sack #3, which is a little harsh, or he is talking about the play in post#87 which wasn't a sack, but a scramble. I think Cosell misspoke and thought it was a sack. Sail concept is a good cover3 buster and Kap did not allow the concept to develop before moving away from it.

Thank you.
But people aren't going to take the time to look at the plays like you and I do to see if its actually true.
Just trust his word and repeat it as fact when it's not.
He's been a one track mind when it comes to Kap for a while now.
I saw what you saw, was just waiting on you to say it before I did.

Agreed and this is why it's important to watch film and come to your own conclusions. thl408 provides much more context here and a more realistic assessment based on the speed of the game/variables effecting the play despite the fact that he is trying to look at each play from an ideal perspective.

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
It is never a good thing when your left guard is chasing a DT like he just stole is lunch money.

I read Cossell today..well a transcript from when he was on the radio
he attributed everything (the sacks) to Kap being a running QB. He said that Kap is the one ruining the protection.
He didn't say anything about what we see here week in and week out. He didn't say anything like "well there is a lot of things that contribute to" he just flat out said Kap is causing all the sacks on himself
I just can't take his criticism seriously anymore. he looks at the tape supposedly see's everything we see.. see's people run blocking when they should be pass blocking and vice versa he see's linemen getting shoved aside and sped by he see's immediate pressure and just says it's all kap? I don't care if you criticize kap if its' valid and seemingly unbiased. his is the opposite of that. complete opposite of that.