St. Louis Rams week 9 coaches film analysis

Originally posted by Phil:
Kap first quarter endzone pass to Crabtree that was 10 feet off. Kap, at the end of the second quarter fumbles in the Rams territory. Rams score an easy TD off Borlands bad coverage. Various less severe third quarter mistakes. Kap, fourth quarter drive to Gore, bad pass into tight double coverage. Kap, on the very next play bad pass to Crabtree. We went 3 and out. Kap, last drive at the goal line bad pass to Crabtree. Kap, at the goal line fumble. These are the game changing plays that stick out in my mind. And the sacks of course. But the plays that just killed it came from the QB position as well. Balls thrown high, low, wide.... Almost 2 ints. One of them a close pick 6. No adjustments to the rush. Boldin sitting on the sideline on the last drive. No rush with Gore who holds the all time record for rushing yards against the Rams, who's run D isn't that great this year. Stevie Johnson and Lloyd sitting on the sideline in the first half. Not playing Johnson or running Gore is inexcusable. Not running Gore at least once at the goal line is inexcusable. . . . . . Redzone issues. Kap shuts down with a short field. Even a bad punt and FG. Borland good against the run, not so much in pass coverage. Roman is not an NFL caliber play caller. And even players complaining about offensive schemes. The biggest mistakes still, IMO, fall on Kap. There's almost no need for film analysis. 21 points in the game are tied to Kaps mistakes. At clutch moments or in the redzone. If he makes that first pass to Crabtree in the first quarter we win. If he doesn't fumble at the end of the second quarter Rams don't score. If he makes good throws to Gore and Crabtree mid 4th we extend the drive and probably get a FG. If he makes an easy throw to Crabtree at the goal line final drive we win. If he doesn't fumble at the goal line we win. No need for film. The online, Roman and Kap reverted to PopWarner. Season over. No need to study the film.

Why look at things logically when we have Phil to help us set things straight right?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Is it fair to suggest that kap is in a system that is not putting him in a postition to practice the fundamental check down communication he needs to master in order to survive in the NFL? Because this is not baked into any play or adjustment techinque at the line of scrimmage in this baroque, overplanned, and formation heavy playbook?

Alex Smith - Captain Checkdown himself didn't exactly do a tone of that here under Harbaugh/Roman. I think that says something.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Thanks for all this THL. I only looked at first four sacks. There seems to be absolutely no recognition or adjustment by kap and the receivers for blitzing situations.

No hot reads or breakoffs or 3-5 yard anticipation type throws. Is that right? It looks like they're just waiting for their concepts to develop and the concepts are all 5-7 step. ALso, no appetite by kap to hit the checkdown. On sack 1 miller clearly has tons of space and its an easy throw but kap never even glances at him. on sack 2 stevie johnson looks like he has a lot of room to adjust his route as well for an easy 5-7 yard gain in 2 seconds. Again he may as well have run his route on the moon as far as kap is concerned. It looks like kap reads the primary concept, then, 2-3 seconds later, if its not there, he looks at the rush and starts dancing. He;s a klutz, so this situation doesn't usually end well.

Is this fair?

I think you're really pushing it with the clear and easy throw thing...are you looking at where Miller is or what's happening around Kap when Miller gets open? Not sure how you can look at that and think that was an easy play to make there.

Then again your comment shows your bias so I guess I'm not surprised.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Is it fair to suggest that kap is in a system that is not putting him in a postition to practice the fundamental check down communication he needs to master in order to survive in the NFL? Because this is not baked into any play or adjustment techinque at the line of scrimmage in this baroque, overplanned, and formation heavy playbook?

To reach a checkdown, the QB needs a pocket in which to operate and go through his reads. If the pocket is blown within 2-3 seconds of snap and before the routes develop then the QB cannot make the progression reads he needs to.

So yes is the answer - the play book, the play calling and the utter lack of pocket will prevent him being able to go through his reads and reach his checkdown, assuming there is one built into the play - which with Roman I seriously question.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Is it fair to suggest that kap is in a system that is not putting him in a postition to practice the fundamental check down communication he needs to master in order to survive in the NFL? Because this is not baked into any play or adjustment techinque at the line of scrimmage in this baroque, overplanned, and formation heavy playbook?

Alex Smith - Captain Checkdown himself didn't exactly do a tone of that here under Harbaugh/Roman. I think that says something.

I remember after the 2011 season.... the one where we lost to the giants... we blamed not having hot reads built into the system because there was no offseason due to the holdout and there simply wasn't enough time to build in the offense AND the hot reads...

f**k YOU ROMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! f**k YOU HARBAUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can you not have hot reads built into an offense? this is simple s**t and one of many reasons Baalke needs to fire his ass

Originally posted by thl408:

I like what Kap was doing here. He saw the misalignment in the defense pre-snap and immediately looked that direction. Pump-faked to Stevie to draw the CB closer (not sure it was necessary, but nice to see he is trying to add it to his game). I just wish he had been more decisive and tossed a lob to Lloyd on the sideline. No one was there. Instead, he tried to wait until Lloyd was completely uncovered, allowing time for the pressure to get home. He also rolled out into the pursuit because he had no feel for the pocket around him.

Originally posted by thl408:

I don't know what the hell happened here. Get rid of the f**king ball.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by thl408:

I like what Kap was doing here. He saw the misalignment in the defense pre-snap and immediately looked that direction. Pump-faked to Stevie to draw the CB closer (not sure it was necessary, but nice to see he is trying to add it to his game). I just wish he had been more decisive and tossed a lob to Lloyd on the sideline. No one was there. Instead, he tried to wait until Lloyd was completely uncovered, allowing time for the pressure to get home. He also rolled out into the pursuit because he had no feel for the pocket around him.

Originally posted by thl408:

I don't know what the hell happened here. Get rid of the f**king ball.

Come on. There is open for crabtree and Te was open too. . Kap can't see it. His eyes to read like fog..

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I like what Kap was doing here. He saw the misalignment in the defense pre-snap and immediately looked that direction. Pump-faked to Stevie to draw the CB closer (not sure it was necessary, but nice to see he is trying to add it to his game). I just wish he had been more decisive and tossed a lob to Lloyd on the sideline. No one was there. Instead, he tried to wait until Lloyd was completely uncovered, allowing time for the pressure to get home. He also rolled out into the pursuit because he had no feel for the pocket around him.


I don't know what the hell happened here. Get rid of the f**king ball.

My guess is the split second he had he looked at a guy that was covered.

And can't tell if the guy above me is serious or not but Kap didn't even look in the direction Crabtree was at so how could he see him?

thl....


I highlighted a play in Marvin's thread where the rams safety ran from all the way back off the line of scrimmage to almost affect a play in the flat 30 yards away.

My question is this... when re-watching the game, did you get a sense that rams players flew to the ball because they knew where the ball was going?

Is Cohn's analysis correct here?

Or did we just not run enough because the Rams loaded the box and dared us to run?

Kaep should've anticipated that window to Crabs! Would've been a TD.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

I like what Kap was doing here. He saw the misalignment in the defense pre-snap and immediately looked that direction. Pump-faked to Stevie to draw the CB closer (not sure it was necessary, but nice to see he is trying to add it to his game). I just wish he had been more decisive and tossed a lob to Lloyd on the sideline. No one was there. Instead, he tried to wait until Lloyd was completely uncovered, allowing time for the pressure to get home. He also rolled out into the pursuit because he had no feel for the pocket around him.


I don't know what the hell happened here. Get rid of the f**king ball.

My guess is the split second he had he looked at a guy that was covered.

And can't tell if the guy above me is serious or not but Kap didn't even look in the direction Crabtree was at so how could he see him?

I don't know man...I see a fairly clean pocket and two viable receiving options right down the middle of the field. I think he had more than a split second; any urgency came from his panic and his failure to maneuver in the pocket.

On the Crabtree pass interference play that put us at the goal line at the end of the 4th quarter...I couldve sworn VD was wide open streaking down the left-middle of the field. I could be wrong because I didnt see a replay showing the whole field. When they showed the PI replay, VD was nearby, and it appeared he was by himself at the time. Anyone else see this?

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I don't know man...I see a fairly clean pocket and two viable receiving options right down the middle of the field. I think he had more than a split second; any urgency came from his panic and his failure to maneuver in the pocket.

Maybe he did panic a bit but that pocket wasn't that clean. He has to step up pretty much right at the end of his drop back due to the guys coming around the outside, looks like his first look was to Lloyd and he looked covered. Boone was being pushed right into him and it's very possible he didn't see Gore behind him, Boone isn't exactly short. There was obviously some panic there given how the game has gone but I don't think it's an easy play like you and some others are insinuating.

I also wonder what is being told to Kap behind the scenes. I know some people like to pretend Kap turns the ball over like crazy but he really doesn't. I wonder if all these anticipation throws and hesitancy to throw guys open or throw to a spot is more him or if it's the coaching staff telling him to not make throws unless he sees guys are open.

Originally posted by verb1der:

Kaep should've anticipated that window to Crabs! Would've been a TD.

Kap would ready to throw but there are rams defense quick to sack on him. Kap saw the rams defense like attack to forward. Kap moved to forward then sack it when crabtree was open before between after. Damn.. blames on Offense lines or Boone. ..