Do you believe Colin Kaepernick is the answer at QB?

LOL! Everyone's frustrations is really showing now. Basically the blame goes to everyone, from the truly OFFENSIVE offensive line, to Colin to the Offensive Coach.

The offensive line has been shuffled around and have some major missing pieces, therefore they're not able to work as a unit. It really makes a lot of difference when you have players that has been together, and playing the same position for a long time. A patched up offensive line lacks cohesiveness.

Colin Kaepernick still hasn't caught up with the speed of the game, lacks the composure when things aren't working as plan. Painfully, he's not as smart as the Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Rogers who all have the ability to assess the defenses and make necessary changes on the fly. Perhaps in time it will happen, but the window is rapidly closing in on him.

A great Offensive coach uses each players strength to their advantage, and also knows how to make changes on the fly. Greg Roman IS a College Coach and it's beginning to show. Perhaps that's why he hasn't gotten a Head Coaching position in spite of his recent success. Every potential suitor knows that his system may work for a while ... until the opposition figures him out.

Oh, I forgot one more thing: Jim Harbaugh. I believe that there is a major riff between he and Trent Balkee. Co-existing in such an environment is tough, and I truly believe that Jim Harbaugh has lost his motivation as a result. I also believe that he will be gone at the end of the season. Will be interesting what next year brings.

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:
stats stats stats blah blah blah

Stats are for winners. OR something like that.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by thl408:
To the bolded: Well then it is unreasonable. To make an honest assessment, all factors must be considered and weighted. My point stands. For a young QB, he cannot be relied upon to carry an offense. He should be playing a support role. Just like how the other recent young SB winning QBs did it (young Brady, young Ben, RW). I mentioned in my previous post (that you cut out) that the expectations of the team did not match the experience of the QB. If fans have a problem with this, then that's on the coach who made the move to the young QB (f**k, I hope I didn't open a can of worms there).
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Anyway, I was talking about comparing QBs to QBs and how that is best done. I understand it can never be done in a complete vacuum because it's such a team sport and there are so many other factors, but using the metric of experience (games played) puts things into perspective as best as possible. When I saw how Kap compared to other QBs after 35 (or whatever that number was) starts, he ain't a bad QB. Far from it.

It seems that are only a handful of posters who consider the value of experience for QBs. QB experience is what allows the QB to play with instincts and not his brain.

I don't put this on Kap..but that is b******t too. Kap is a young qb, but if that excuses his performance, then he shouldn't have been made the starter. Granted, I get to make this comment from hindsight. Please don't take this to mean that I think Kap sucks or that our offensive woes are completely on his shoulders. I'm just tired of the excuse. It was never adequate in my mind.

How many young QBs have taken their team to a SB win while being the focal point of the offense? I'll wait.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Originally posted by thl408:

The best way to measure Kap is to measure him against other QBs after their 35 (or whatever) starts.

Someone please post the comparison of QB stats after 35 games, or whatever that was. That puts a lot into context.

Can't say I agree, and I'll tell you why. The people most upset by our struggles do not care how many games he started or how young he is.

You can say it's because of some agenda or whatever... but that is also not accurate.

The reason his experience and youth make no difference?

Because fans and the media world alike saw this team as SB ready and with a finite window before some of the stars that make this team decline or head to the exit.

THIS is why patience is at a minimum. They see a team that's very complete in many and most facets... yet now, are being asked for patience.. due to the learning curve of their 27 yr old QB.

It's the harsh reality... and it may not even be particularly fair... but patience is not acceptable, as we regard the talent of the team.

This is certainly part of why I am not willing to accept the "he's young" rationales.

The "harsh reality" referred to erroneously places the onus of our offensive woes on a single individual---Colin Kaepernick.

You judgment is harsh, but it is not real to assign responsibility for the sorry state of our offense to any single individual, player or coach.

Please find the post where I have. He's part of the problem...he's not THE problem.

I agree Kaepernick is part of the problem. But, recognize that most every individual on the offensive unit, player and coach, is part of the problem.

Each and every individual on the offensive side of the ball needs to step up and it would not hurt for all their team mates and all the coaches to pitch in as well.

In the post that I responded to you clearly but the onus on him. I am glad to hear that you really did not mean that.

And, no there is not reason for me to go back and check your prior posts before responding to that post?

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It is embarrassing that SF, a SB contender has a QB that is not able to make some very simple reads. On top of that, his ball security is crap.

No wonder our rookie Center struggled so much. His QB knows about as much as the rookie.

Amazing.

Not only is Kap responsible for every aspect of his own game, he's also responsible for other players sucking.

Isn't the QB responsible for knowing the line checks as well? I have a feeling he was no help at all to Martin. Our OL seems like it is making huge mental mistakes and evidence has already shown that our QB is struggling making simple reads.

OHHHH. You "have a feeling".

Well all right then.

Originally posted by buck:
I agree Kaepernick is part of the problem. But, recognize that most every individual on the offensive unit, player and coach, is part of the problem.

Each and every individual on the offensive side of the ball needs to step up and it would not hurt for all their team mates and all the coaches to pitch in as well.

In the post that I responded to you clearly but the onus on him. I am glad to hear that you really did not mean that.

And, no there is not reason for me to go back and check your prior posts before responding to that post?

If you go back and read my post again, you'll see that I was blasting the excuse, not assigning blame.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It is embarrassing that SF, a SB contender has a QB that is not able to make some very simple reads. On top of that, his ball security is crap.

No wonder our rookie Center struggled so much. His QB knows about as much as the rookie.

Amazing.

Not only is Kap responsible for every aspect of his own game, he's also responsible for other players sucking.

Isn't the QB responsible for knowing the line checks as well? I have a feeling he was no help at all to Martin. Our OL seems like it is making huge mental mistakes and evidence has already shown that our QB is struggling making simple reads.

OHHHH. You "have a feeling".

Well all right then.

Joe, we're probably on the same side on this for the most part (for once)..but stop...please. It's embarrassing...really.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

It is embarrassing that SF, a SB contender has a QB that is not able to make some very simple reads. On top of that, his ball security is crap.

No wonder our rookie Center struggled so much. His QB knows about as much as the rookie.

Amazing.

Not only is Kap responsible for every aspect of his own game, he's also responsible for other players sucking.

Isn't the QB responsible for knowing the line checks as well? I have a feeling he was no help at all to Martin. Our OL seems like it is making huge mental mistakes and evidence has already shown that our QB is struggling making simple reads.

OHHHH. You "have a feeling".
Well all right then.

In an interview Rice was asked about number of sacks Kaepernick has taken. Rice said that first of all that told him the offensive line was not playing very well and maybe Kaepernick was holding on to ball too long.

Jerry Rice Analyzing the 49ers' Woes

http://www.49erswebzone.com/news/75884-jerry-rice-analyzing-49ers-woes/

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Originally posted by thl408:
The best way to measure Kap is to measure him against other QBs after their 35 (or whatever) starts.

Someone please post the comparison of QB stats after 35 games, or whatever that was. That puts a lot into context.

Can't say I agree, and I'll tell you why. The people most upset by our struggles do not care how many games he started or how young he is.

You can say it's because of some agenda or whatever... but that is also not accurate.

The reason his experience and youth make no difference?

Because fans and the media world alike saw this team as SB ready and with a finite window before some of the stars that make this team decline or head to the exit.

THIS is why patience is at a minimum. They see a team that's very complete in many and most facets... yet now, are being asked for patience.. due to the learning curve of their 27 yr old QB.

It's the harsh reality... and it may not even be particularly fair... but patience is not acceptable, as we regard the talent of the team.

This is certainly part of why I am not willing to accept the "he's young" rationales.

The "harsh reality" referred to erroneously places the onus of our offensive woes on a single individual---Colin Kaepernick.

You judgment is harsh, but it is not real to assign responsibility for the sorry state of our offense to any single individual, player or coach.

Please find the post where I have. He's part of the problem...he's not THE problem.

I agree Kaepernick is part of the problem. But, recognize that most every individual on the offensive unit, player and coach, is part of the problem.

Each and every individual on the offensive side of the ball needs to step up and it would not hurt for all their team mates and all the coaches to pitch in as well.

In the post that I responded to you clearly but the onus on him. I am glad to hear that you really did not mean that.

And, no there is not reason for me to go back and check your prior posts before responding to that post?

I don't think anyone says he's not a part of the problem. every member of the offense has their hands ion this.

My issue is how MUCH of the blame gets assigned to Kap. It's simply ludicrous. Then when asked to explain why he's at fault, all I get is a cliché about $$$$ and "the most important position".

Duh.

That has no basis though it what's happening on the field. Those are just lazy oversimplifications. Has he been perfect. Nope. Has he missed reads? Yep. Is he at fault for some of his sacks? Yep.

That's all true. Its also true that the O-Line for most of the season has been horrible in both pass protection and run blocking. People are all saying "run the ball more". Have you been seeing what's been happening when they run the ball? In particular lately?

"Niners win when Gore carries the ball X amount of times". Well no sh*t. When you are already WINNING you run the ball more to kill the clock.

The entire offense right now is out of sync. Kap has his part to play but he is NOT the entire problem nor is he even half the problem.

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It is embarrassing that SF, a SB contender has a QB that is not able to make some very simple reads. On top of that, his ball security is crap.

No wonder our rookie Center struggled so much. His QB knows about as much as the rookie.

Amazing.

Not only is Kap responsible for every aspect of his own game, he's also responsible for other players sucking.

Isn't the QB responsible for knowing the line checks as well? I have a feeling he was no help at all to Martin. Our OL seems like it is making huge mental mistakes and evidence has already shown that our QB is struggling making simple reads.

OHHHH. You "have a feeling".
Well all right then.

In an interview Rice was asked about number of sacks Kaepernick has taken. Rice said that first of all that told him the offensive line was not playing very well and maybe Kaepernick was holding on to ball too long.

Jerry Rice Analyzing the 49ers' Woes

http://www.49erswebzone.com/news/75884-jerry-rice-analyzing-49ers-woes/

He needs to get the ball out faster, imho. Or just take off and run. He can get caught in limbo at times and gets sacked or makes turnovers.

Sunday will be telling. Please god please. Let there be at least some fight!

Originally posted by Marvin49:
I don't think anyone says he's not a part of the problem. every member of the offense has their hands ion this.

My issue is how MUCH of the blame gets assigned to Kap. It's simply ludicrous. Then when asked to explain why he's at fault, all I get is a cliché about $$$$ and "the most important position".

Duh.

That has no basis though it what's happening on the field. Those are just lazy oversimplifications. Has he been perfect. Nope. Has he missed reads? Yep. Is he at fault for some of his sacks? Yep.

That's all true. Its also true that the O-Line for most of the season has been horrible in both pass protection and run blocking. People are all saying "run the ball more". Have you been seeing what's been happening when they run the ball? In particular lately?

"Niners win when Gore carries the ball X amount of times". Well no sh*t. When you are already WINNING you run the ball more to kill the clock.

The entire offense right now is out of sync. Kap has his part to play but he is NOT the entire problem nor is he even half the problem.

Not much there for me to argue. I'm not convinced on the running part. Our line has done poorly, but who's to say that they're not out of sync partly because they aren't running much? Gore is still averaging 4.1 yards per carry behind that crappy line this season.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
He needs to get the ball out faster, imho. Or just take off and run. He can get caught in limbo at times and gets sacked or makes turnovers.

Sunday will be telling. Please god please. Let there be at least some fight!

If the line is that porous, then yes. That's partly play calling partly on the QB.

I think the offensive line is the biggest thing holding Kap and the offense back. The sooner they start blocking for both the run and pass the sooner the offense starts playing better. Its the cliché thing to put all the blame on the quarterback but he is not nearly the biggest or only problem with the offense. Not to mention the play calling could be a bit better as well. I really feel we need to go deep a bit more to get defenses to back off blitzing so much.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

If you go back and read my post again, you'll see that I was blasting the excuse, not assigning blame.

OK. I think that we agree that in fact Kaepernick contributes to our offensive problems.

I reread your post.

I happen to think chronological age does not carry much weight when discussing NFL quarterbacks.

I think patience is very rarely not acceptable, and I do see any solid reason to determine that we should not be patient with our offense.

But, then each person differs. I am still patient, worried but patient.

Kap need slow to read and get better next time for process time. He need to learn about the check to other Wrs,TE and RB. He need to quick for check on Boldin if there is coverage on him then quick to check another on Crabtree if there is coverage on him then fast to check other on Johnson if there is coverage on him then go faster to check on Gore if there is open on him. f**kin faster to throw a time!! Don't let defense to sack on him a times. Clear it?