We got robbed tonight, and here is why.

How many ints, fumbles, dropped passes and bad throws in clutch moments do we have in the Bears/Rams losses?

They will claim that Crabs didn't have control of the ball before crossing back out of the endzone..

Originally posted by pahlerbj:

Originally posted by Rizvi49er:
if this catch is a td:



then so is crabtrees catch...

wish we had those refs

Refs love the Steelers.

Not only did they screw us out of a TD, they gave us a s**tty spot afterwards too.

Jerome Booger can't lose.

How many ints, fumbles, dropped passes and bad throws in clutch moments did we have in the Bears/Rams losses? 3 ints and 4 fumbles. About 5 dropped passes and maybe 10 bad throws in clutch moments. You don't win football games playing like that. Refs or not.

Maybe 6 or 7 dropped passes. And in the Bears game, as with the Rams loss, we were still in it in the 4th quarter and bad throws were made to Crabtree in the redzone. Kap to Crabtree in the 4th quarter last drive has failed at least 7 times. The same number of fumbles/ints and dropped passes we have in those 2 losses. There's a pattern here that some don't want to see.

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by pahlerbj:

Originally posted by Rizvi49er:

if this catch is a td:



then so is crabtrees catch...

wish we had those refs

Refs love the Steelers.

According to cc and pill, Ravens didn't play good enough

Originally posted by cciowa:

kyle williams, not converting third downs cost us in 2011
special ed teams and being unwilling to give the best run game and run blocking line, at the time, a chance to win cost us
two inches cost us the seattle game
losing games to the bears and to the disgraceful rams may cost us a playoff berth,,
why don't you turn that pointing finger of yours against the refs to a fish hook and point it back at the coaches and players.; we are not playing good football, at this point in time we do not deserve a post season berth but if just want to be in denial and blame the refs , knock yourself out

Kyle Williams shows fumbling in the stat sheet, but if you watched the game..we forced a fumble that was legit and we would have had the ball on the 20 to win the game. the last fumble KW had was recovered by gunner who ran out of bounds and can not be the first guy to the touch the ball and he did

Bears game was the most penalized worst officiated game barely above the Arizona game which took away gores TD that would have put us up by 3 TDs and would have definetly changed the game

Rams game, you must have gone to the bathroom ...but we were robbed of a safety right before halftime...then we were robbed by smirking ref on crabtrees TD

I have blamed the coaches, but I give credit also to the other teams for playing well...you fail to see that any team can win no matter the record shows they are. You are fooling yourself because we didn't dominate a team is because of poor play...plus you mix in the game changing bad calls then your at a disadvantage

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

I believe that we can only control what we can control and in 2011 we went 1/13 on third down because we played apprehensively offensively. In 2012 we had 1st and goal and Gore never carried the pill. In 2013 I lamented the Ahmad Brooks penalty but Roman got away from the run vs IND and Vance dropped the game winner vs CAR and Kap threw the pick to Crab vs SEA in SEA where we never should have had to play in the first place. Even this year we've had chances to make plays in games we could have won yet didn't. We have to look within first and after we've addressed these issues we can look to the atrocious officiating we've endured in the referenced games and situations above. As a 49er fan I am incensed by the game deciding calls going the other way repeatedly and consistently yet we can't dwell on it much because we still have work to do on our own team

2011 we couldn't move the ball, so someone had to make a play..guess what we did we forced a fumble oh wait refs called that play dead the RB was still moving forward
2012 Baltimore was repeatedly offsides almost everyplay, crabs received a helmet to help hit by a guy who received fines and penalties all season..nothing called and crabs said he was dazed after that hit, also what about the hold on crab in the end zone ?, now why we didn't run gore..well the were offsides running blitzes..gore would have been stuffed

Indy game legit play calling loss, same with Carolina...but that wasn't a drop by Vance, kuehkly hand was on vances arm and tugged it great play but the penalty on Bree's was the home field advantage game decider

There is no way to win a two legged race, when you have one leg...no matter how well you use that one leg

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
According to cc and pill, Ravens didn't play good enough

In every one of our season ending losses I simply acknowledged that we could have played better and avoided some mistakes of our own yet I have acknowledged that there was horrible officiating at key moments that helped to decide games against us. Personally I believe that the helmet to helmet on Crabtree in the Super Bowl should have given us 1st and goal at the 2 and 1/2 yard line because it was blatant obvious and right in from t of the official with that being a point of emphasis that year. The Jacoby Jones TD was a mugging of Bruce Miller and it was the pivotal score in that game. I still felt we never gave Gore a touch when we had 1st and goal at the 7 and I feel it was a mistake. We all know that the NFCCG in SEA was suspicious to say the least as far as the officiating yet I felt that we would have been better served realizing that we had 50 seconds and 2 TOs left and we needed to call safer plays that got Kap out of the pocket and on the move and I believe he could have scored in those instances as he did vs CAR when at first he rolled out to find VD in back of the end zone and the other he ran it in. Guys, I know we have been shi**ed on by the officials but we have to play through it whilst keeping our composure and come through when we need to come through. All our guys can do is battle through this mess!

In addition, we have to believe that us griping about bad calls fall on deaf ears league wide. No one likes us but us so we better come to terms with that and we have to be better than our opponent and above spotty officiating. I saw that hit on the plant leg of Andy Lee in the NFCCG that took us off the field and that aided SEA in getting the ball back that led to their go ahead score. It was BS and was an easy call yet it wasn't made. Maybe you guys are right but I know that most folk don't care about us getting poked around so we gotta get it done somehow

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by cciowa:
of course this is the truth. sure there are bad calls but obviously, for whatever reason, we are just not good enough to over come them,, an elite team will over come a bad call. blaming the refs is just a built in excuse to deflect blame away from where it should go,, roman, jh and the players, in my opinion

true. those refs did suck though

of course they did,,,,,, never denied it. i just take issue with some people who just dig in and just blame the refs for everything that is bad in our lives. they can not even ponder the fact that the coaches(namely the twins) and the players have something to do with it

i also give credit to some of the teams who are good teams that beat us in the above mentioned examples like seattle, and denver,,, however i refuse to give any credit to the bears for being a good team , nor the rams. those are simply inexcusable losses at home even

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:
kyle williams, not converting third downs cost us in 2011
special ed teams and being unwilling to give the best run game and run blocking line, at the time, a chance to win cost us
two inches cost us the seattle game
losing games to the bears and to the disgraceful rams may cost us a playoff berth,,
why don't you turn that pointing finger of yours against the refs to a fish hook and point it back at the coaches and players.; we are not playing good football, at this point in time we do not deserve a post season berth but if just want to be in denial and blame the refs , knock yourself out

Kyle Williams shows fumbling in the stat sheet, but if you watched the game..we forced a fumble that was legit and we would have had the ball on the 20 to win the game. the last fumble KW had was recovered by gunner who ran out of bounds and can not be the first guy to the touch the ball and he did

Bears game was the most penalized worst officiated game barely above the Arizona game which took away gores TD that would have put us up by 3 TDs and would have definetly changed the game

Rams game, you must have gone to the bathroom ...but we were robbed of a safety right before halftime...then we were robbed by smirking ref on crabtrees TD

I have blamed the coaches, but I give credit also to the other teams for playing well...you fail to see that any team can win no matter the record shows they are. You are fooling yourself because we didn't dominate a team is because of poor play...plus you mix in the game changing bad calls then your at a disadvantage

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I believe that we can only control what we can control and in 2011 we went 1/13 on third down because we played apprehensively offensively. In 2012 we had 1st and goal and Gore never carried the pill. In 2013 I lamented the Ahmad Brooks penalty but Roman got away from the run vs IND and Vance dropped the game winner vs CAR and Kap threw the pick to Crab vs SEA in SEA where we never should have had to play in the first place. Even this year we've had chances to make plays in games we could have won yet didn't. We have to look within first and after we've addressed these issues we can look to the atrocious officiating we've endured in the referenced games and situations above. As a 49er fan I am incensed by the game deciding calls going the other way repeatedly and consistently yet we can't dwell on it much because we still have work to do on our own team

2011 we couldn't move the ball, so someone had to make a play..guess what we did we forced a fumble oh wait refs called that play dead the RB was still moving forward

2012 Baltimore was repeatedly offsides almost everyplay, crabs received a helmet to help hit by a guy who received fines and penalties all season..nothing called and crabs said he was dazed after that hit, also what about the hold on crab in the end zone ?, now why we didn't run gore..well the were offsides running blitzes..gore would have been stuffed

Indy game legit play calling loss, same with Carolina...but that wasn't a drop by Vance, kuehkly hand was on vances arm and tugged it great play but the penalty on Bree's was the home field advantage game decider

There is no way to win a two legged race, when you have one leg...no matter how well you use that one leg

Agreed. As athletes we're always taught not to get caught up in calls or the refs...not b/c they can't or don't have a critical factor in the outcome of games but to help players refocus on the task at hand and that is to overcome and win. If you get caught up emotionally like so many of our players have this year (including our best veterans), it's deflating and can downward-spiral quickly. But to think officiating DOESN'T have anything to do with the outcome of game (esp. as a Niner fan over the past 3 years) and to justify reasons for other factors solely is just ignorant. Are we talented enough to win it all despite some critical calls all under the last 4 minutes of the games? Sure! Were there other reasons that played into losses (i.e. TO's, poor OL plays, play calling, untimely correctly-called penalties, etc.). Yup. No doubt! But this is the NFL. The difference between the best team in the NFL and the last, can sometimes but just one untimely penalty, as we've all seen, not just in our games, but across the entire NFL. Officiating (poor) had been a hot topic for many years now. Some how, some way, you jusy have to try your best to overcome and be a professional.