2014 Roster cut down part two-75 to 53

Originally posted by natrone06:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

And how does Dahl do any of those?? He has constantly been off his assignments and hasn't been dependable. The only reason he makes the team is because of ST and that fact that he started a couple games for the horrible rams.

The only reason Dahl makes the team is because he's better/more likely to help the team then the guy behind him.

Dahl looked more focused against the Chargers, don't know how he played last night?, gotta wait it out for the NFL Network tonight

Originally posted by natrone06:
Just get over it. Once you accept you have no idea what you're talking about the cuts get much easier. Fans hate players in which they know their ceiling. The young unknown guy who is "promising" is always going to be a fan favorite. Having players who know assignments and are dependable though are what coaches are looking for.

So much this.

Known players are known. We know their strenghts and weaknesses very well, i.e. we know how to use them.
Talented players may have a higher ceiling but that doesn't mean that they will reach it and we don't know how fast they will reach it in particular. That is a chance AND a risk at the same time.

Originally posted by natrone06:
Call it patronizing or whatever you want but when it comes to the bottom of the roster the Fans don't know what they are talking about. For every Marcus cooper there are 50 guys fans cried about getting cut to never be heard of again.

Yes, I agree with this. Just saying that you don't have to look back to far to see where this administration blew it on a cut down call. I just have the feeling that the current 49er group of decision makers lacks the ruthlessness of a Walsh or Belichick as an example. I guess next year will be the time to evaluate the cuts that are about to happen, and see if a Marcus Cooper decision was a one time mistake ... or a trend.

Ah wait:
Dorsey is still active but can be designated as IR/to return til the 2nd of september.
what about Marcus Martin's designation?

Assumed Roster:
QB: Kaep/Gabbert/JJ (3)
RB: Gore/Hyde/LMJ/Winston (4)
WR: Boldin/Crabtree/Johnson/Ellington/Patton (6)
TE: Davis/McDonald/Nelson (3)
O-Line: Staley/Iupati/Kilgore/Looney/Davis/Snyder/Bykowski/Seymour/Farrell (9)
FB: Miller (1)

D-Line: RayMac/Williams/Smith/TJD/Dial/Carradine (6)
OLB: Brooks/Smith/Skuta/Lynch/Lemonier (5)
ILB: Willis/Borland/Wilhoite/Moody (4)
CB: Brock/Culliver/Ward/Morris/Cox (5)
S: Reid/Bethea/McRay/Dahl (4)

LS, Punter, Kicker are another 3 players.

Comments:
-Lynchs would be claimed off waivers, imho. Way too much talent to lose him like that. Additionally to that, I assume that Aldon will be suspended, thats why I would carry 5 OLBs
-at first, I wanted to go with 3 ILBs because Skuta played ILB at college and could do it for us in case of huge emergency. I don't like Wilhoite and Moody but I had to keep some STer on the roster (Spillman, Ventrone, Osgood are goners by my assumption).
-at CB, anything can happen. There is an outside chance that Cully could be gone. Cox is not in for sure as well as Cook is not gone.
-I would like to keep Lloyd given his huge experience and ability but he is not a STer at all. Crabs, Boldin and Johnson are experienced as well. This is enough experience for the WR corps.
-Dobbs and Okoye are gone and would go through waivers, though I'm not sure whether Dobbs is eligible for PS. I think that Okoye would go unclaimed.
-at TE, Carrier could be kept instead of Nelson, of course.

Given that, the following guys would be cut:
1)CB Cook
2)CB Johnson
3)CB Acker

4)DT Okoye
5)DT Purcell

6)FB Tukuafu

7)G Netter

8)LB Skov
9)LB Thomas

10)RB Smith

11)S Spillman
12)S Ventrone

13)T Philipp

14)TE Carrier
15)TE Cleveland

16)DT Dobbs

17)WR Lewis
18)WR Lloyd
19)WR Osgood
20)WR Washington

Marcus Martin and Dorsey would be 21 and 22 respectively.

Out of these cuts, I would try to get to the PS the following guys:
1)CB Johnson
2)CB Acker
3)DT Okoye
4)DT Purcell
5)T Philipp
6)DT Dobbs, if eligible
7)WR Lewis
8)WR Washington
9)LB Skov

Originally posted by communist:

Ah wait:
Dorsey is still active but can be designated as IR/to return til the 2nd of september.
what about Marcus Martin's designation?

Assumed Roster:
QB: Kaep/Gabbert/JJ (3)
RB: Gore/Hyde/LMJ/Winston (4)
WR: Boldin/Crabtree/Johnson/Ellington/Patton (6)
TE: Davis/McDonald/Nelson (3)
O-Line: Staley/Iupati/Kilgore/Looney/Davis/Snyder/Bykowski/Seymour/Farrell (9)
FB: Miller (1)

D-Line: RayMac/Williams/Smith/TJD/Dial/Carradine (6)
OLB: Brooks/Smith/Skuta/Lynch/Lemonier (5)
ILB: Willis/Borland/Wilhoite/Moody (4)
CB: Brock/Culliver/Ward/Morris/Cox (5)
S: Reid/Bethea/McRay/Dahl (4)

LS, Punter, Kicker are another 3 players.

Comments:
-Lynchs would be claimed off waivers, imho. Way too much talent to lose him like that. Additionally to that, I assume that Aldon will be suspended, thats why I would carry 5 OLBs
-at first, I wanted to go with 3 ILBs because Skuta played ILB at college and could do it for us in case of huge emergency. I don't like Wilhoite and Moody but I had to keep some STer on the roster (Spillman, Ventrone, Osgood are goners by my assumption).
-at CB, anything can happen. There is an outside chance that Cully could be gone. Cox is not in for sure as well as Cook is not gone.
-I would like to keep Lloyd given his huge experience and ability but he is not a STer at all. Crabs, Boldin and Johnson are experienced as well. This is enough experience for the WR corps.
-Dobbs and Okoye are gone and would go through waivers, though I'm not sure whether Dobbs is eligible for PS. I think that Okoye would go unclaimed.
-at TE, Carrier could be kept instead of Nelson, of course.

Given that, the following guys would be cut:
1)CB Cook
2)CB Johnson
3)CB Acker
4)DT Okoye
5)DT Purcell
6)FB Tukuafu
7)G Netter
8)LB Skov
9)LB Thomas
10)RB Smith
11)S Spillman
12)S Ventrone
13)T Philipp
14)TE Carrier
15)TE Cleveland
16)DT Dobbs
17)WR Lewis
18)WR Lloyd
19)WR Osgood
20)WR Washington

Marcus Martin and Dorsey would be 21 and 22 respectively.

Keep Lynch cut LMJ

I don't want to cut LMJ because we don't have another player with his style of play.

BTW, I kept both of them.

Originally posted by communist:

I don't want to cut LMJ because we don't have another player with his style of play.

BTW, I kept both of them.

Sorry missed lynch.

I think LMJ time is done, with the ability shown by Ellington and Winston, we don't need the over rated LMJ

Yeah, you are right, LMJ could be gone as well. Then, I would keep a ST-guy, another CB, TE or Dobbs.

Originally posted by communist:

Yeah, you are right, LMJ could be gone as well. Then, I would keep a ST-guy, another CB, TE or Dobbs.

I just think with the younger talent, it's better to create that roster spot.

Losing Gabbert, LMJ and Snyder would not hurt IMO and would go a long way to making our 53 much stronger.

I'm not even counting the PS, as soon as it's released it's going to be pillaged...

What's with this ridiculous 53 man limit? If the limit was raised say to to 63 are we having this same conversation about players 64-85?

I hope Harbaugh gets to keep JJ...it's possible. There are a few guys I really hope make the 53-man roster. One is Chris Cook, who's improved tremendously under Coach Donatell. He's got great size our secondary could really use. Another's Carter Bykowski...dude has worked his butt off and that he played the entire game at LT may be the endorsement he needs. If Baalke decides to keep 5 WR's, whichever one (presumably Lloyd or SJ) isn't going to make the 53-man should be traded to the Browns for a draft pick. Like many, I really like what I've seen from Winston...but it's unlikely he'll make the roster over Alfonso Smith, who has good experience and has ST value. Let's hope he clears waivers so he can go on the PS. The cuts Baalke makes will arguably be the toughest yet as GM.

Originally posted by natrone06:
Just get over it. Once you accept you have no idea what you're talking about the cuts get much easier. Fans hate players in which they know their ceiling. The young unknown guy who is "promising" is always going to be a fan favorite. Having players who know assignments and are dependable though are what coaches are looking for.

This x 1000.

Originally posted by CWin4949:
I just think with the younger talent, it's better to create that roster spot.

Losing Gabbert, LMJ and Snyder would not hurt IMO and would go a long way to making our 53 much stronger.

I'm not even counting the PS, as soon as it's released it's going to be pillaged...

Gabbert hurts as against the cap the one way or another. Keeping him, at least as QB#3 doesn't hurt at all, imho.

Snyder is one of the few experienced O-liner on our roster. We need some experience everywhere. And he can play at Guard, Tackle and perhaps even at Center, i.e. he is versatile. I dont like him either but I dont see any alternative.

You cannot load a roster with talent only, if you want to go for the SB immediately.

Originally posted by communist:
I don't want to cut LMJ because we don't have another player with his style of play.

BTW, I kept both of them.

His style of play is int utilized by Roman any way. LMJ had value last season as a returner not necessarily as a RB. With the addition of Ellington, his return job has been jeopardized with Ellington's ability.

With the play of Winston, he has proved that he's a better fit in our system than LMJ.

Originally posted by HERN:
His style of play is int utilized by Roman any way. LMJ had value last season as a returner not necessarily as a RB. With the addition of Ellington, his return job has been jeopardized with Ellington's ability.

With the play of Winston, he has proved that he's a better fit in our system than LMJ.

That is very true, unfortunately.

BTW, I saw another roster prediction where Nelson is kept as TE and LS respectively. Very logical, imho. Thus, McDermott could be gone and Dobbs would be in.
To be honest, I think that Dobbs won't be cut anyway. Has got some experience, was good at TC and has some value for ST.

Of course, I base my opinion about Winston on this one good game. Very naive. Trying to get him on the PS is more probable. Instead, Alfonso Smith could be kept, like suggested by another user a couple posts before this one.