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Originally posted by Gore_21:
Originally posted by susweel:
so if you didnt report me then why was I warned ?

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No I swear I didn't you can ask the mods if you don't believe me.

True, Gore did not report. Mods do occasionally read NT though. And the reason for the warning will have been made clear in the pm.
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All the angst over limited signings is missing the point...the niners have few weak spots and tend to bring in FAs only when necessary to fill voids (Whitner/Bethea). This is great news to me as the only voids I see are quality versus backups. They could use a top flight WR but the only guy out there is D Jackson and has to be traded...not likely but still possible. Golden Tate? Would he be good enough to warrant the money when you have Boldin/Crabtree/Patton? Or is he too slow for a third guy? The niners don't need slower! They resigned Boldin...a much more important event than Tate would have been.

DB? They picked up Bethea and Cook and have a bunch of young, fast CBs. Baalke has never signed a top flight CB due to over pricing. He might sign a guy later on to complete and lend some elderly stability but I can see a top draft pick being a more sure bet. Brown is listed as the second best FA CB this year (ESPN) and the team knew him and passed...so I have no problem with that decision. Starting Brooks/Culliver and having Wright/Morris/Cook as back ups is an OK group, especially if you add in a rookie or two. Four of those guys have been in the system--an important element to this defense.

Pass rush? You've got A Smith, Brooks, and Lemonier coming back; along with Moody and Skuta who filled in well last year. Could they improve? Sure, they may pick up a guy but, once again, this defense relies on scheme more than many so a new guy would have a learning curve. Would have liked Jared Allen but he is older and the niners are getting/staying young.
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
All the angst over limited signings is missing the point...the niners have few weak spots and tend to bring in FAs only when necessary to fill voids (Whitner/Bethea). This is great news to me as the only voids I see are quality versus backups. They could use a top flight WR but the only guy out there is D Jackson and has to be traded...not likely but still possible. Golden Tate? Would he be good enough to warrant the money when you have Boldin/Crabtree/Patton? Or is he too slow for a third guy? The niners don't need slower! They resigned Boldin...a much more important event than Tate would have been.

DB? They picked up Bethea and Cook and have a bunch of young, fast CBs. Baalke has never signed a top flight CB due to over pricing. He might sign a guy later on to complete and lend some elderly stability but I can see a top draft pick being a more sure bet. Brown is listed as the second best FA CB this year (ESPN) and the team knew him and passed...so I have no problem with that decision. Starting Brooks/Culliver and having Wright/Morris/Cook as back ups is an OK group, especially if you add in a rookie or two. Four of those guys have been in the system--an important element to this defense.

Pass rush? You've got A Smith, Brooks, and Lemonier coming back; along with Moody and Skuta who filled in well last year. Could they improve? Sure, they may pick up a guy but, once again, this defense relies on scheme more than many so a new guy would have a learning curve. Would have liked Jared Allen but he is older and the niners are getting/staying young.
a healthy crabs, miller and a non MIA season for aldon is just huge in my opinion. if we sign anyone before the draft it will be cox. we will have a good draft, assemble the team and then if we have to add some parts we can do so after june first when we have some extra salary cap money. seems pretty simple and straight forward to me
Nice summary CC, and I agree wholeheartedly. Glass is half empty for a lot of folks, but to me it looks half full. Make that about 90% full. If we would have signed Revis for $16 or $12 mil, Darius for $8mil, Decker, or Edelman for all the cash they got, I would have been sick. Next thing you know, everybody else on the team wants a raise, and bingo, in not time, we have to get rid of our great nucleus. Trent has steadfastly refused to do that and hence we have been to NFCC (incl SB) 3 times in 3 yrs. And we came damn close 3 times, but lost one on JH's error of not getting PRs to stay away from a muddy, wet ball in the slop and rain, and then 2 horrid calls by roman for last two plays of game. Sure, kap could have reloaded and thrown ball away, or better yet called time out. Point is we are damn close and have been for 3 yrs with essentially the same team, and a yr more experience for kap. What could be bad about that? oh, I know, roman is still here.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Mar 20, 2014 at 5:42 PM ]
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Nice summary CC, and I agree wholeheartedly. Glass is half empty for a lot of folks, but to me it looks half full. Make that about 90% full. If we would have signed Revis for $16 or $12 mil, Darius for $8mil, Decker, or Edelman for all the cash they got, I would have been sick. Next thing you know, everybody else on the team wants a raise, and bingo, in not time, we have to get rid of our great nucleus. Trent has steadfastly refused to do that and hence we have been to NFCC (incl SB) 3 times in 3 yrs. And we came damn close 3 times, but lost one on JH's error of not getting PRs to stay away from a muddy, wet ball in the slop and rain, and then 2 horrid calls by roman for last two plays of game. Sure, kap could have reloaded and thrown ball away, or better yet called time out. Point is we are damn close and have been for 3 yrs with essentially the same team, and a yr more experience for kap. What could be bad about that? oh, I know, roman is still here.

I agree that our glass is pretty damn full. We had how much adversity and still just a couple of plays away from the SB. Add 6 picks in the first 3 rounds to grab WR and CB depth and we are sitting pretty. Hell our roster is still stacked and we can burn a 3rd just for a quality back up QB even after trading for Gabbert, not many teams have that luxury. Add in Lattimore and Carradine... the list of positives just goes on with this team.

Besides retaining some core guys this offseason, another positive is from the whole media spectacle of the Harbaalke relationship... the organization handled it professionally and it seemed to open back up the lines of communication between the two as shown by some of these offseason moves.
NO IF WE HAD A GREAT FRONT OFFICE WE WOULD HAVE STOPPED JARED ALLEN GOING TO CAWKLAND
Originally posted by susweel:
why you mad tho ?

You're everything that is wrong with the internet and people like you are the reason that "normal" people tend to leave the forums after a short period of time.
[ Edited by Gavintech on Mar 20, 2014 at 6:15 PM ]
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Nice summary CC, and I agree wholeheartedly. Glass is half empty for a lot of folks, but to me it looks half full. Make that about 90% full. If we would have signed Revis for $16 or $12 mil, Darius for $8mil, Decker, or Edelman for all the cash they got, I would have been sick. Next thing you know, everybody else on the team wants a raise, and bingo, in not time, we have to get rid of our great nucleus. Trent has steadfastly refused to do that and hence we have been to NFCC (incl SB) 3 times in 3 yrs. And we came damn close 3 times, but lost one on JH's error of not getting PRs to stay away from a muddy, wet ball in the slop and rain, and then 2 horrid calls by roman for last two plays of game. Sure, kap could have reloaded and thrown ball away, or better yet called time out. Point is we are damn close and have been for 3 yrs with essentially the same team, and a yr more experience for kap. What could be bad about that? oh, I know, roman is still here.

I agree that our glass is pretty damn full. We had how much adversity and still just a couple of plays away from the SB. Add 6 picks in the first 3 rounds to grab WR and CB depth and we are sitting pretty. Hell our roster is still stacked and we can burn a 3rd just for a quality back up QB even after trading for Gabbert, not many teams have that luxury. Add in Lattimore and Carradine... the list of positives just goes on with this team.

Besides retaining some core guys this offseason, another positive is from the whole media spectacle of the Harbaalke relationship... the organization handled it professionally and it seemed to open back up the lines of communication between the two as shown by some of these offseason moves.

Agree with both of you! Baalke and Harbaugh probably spend more time with each other, making more decisions, than they do with their wives. It's bound to get chippy at times. And they made the media look like the over reacting rubes they tend to be.

As for the glass half full...I only disagree in that the glass is 97% full! LOL! Lost a couple of guys, retained the most important, and have a slew of guys who didn't play last year but will this year...and all this before the draft! Add those six high picks and this team is loaded and better than last year. The only change that could be negative is at DB and I would argue Donatell and Fangio no doubt have this figured out. Would love to have a really solid back up at QB but that's hard to do within the cap.
Originally posted by JerryRice1848:
NO IF WE HAD A GREAT FRONT OFFICE WE WOULD HAVE STOPPED JARED ALLEN GOING TO CAWKLAND

1. He hasn't signed with Seattle yet.

2. You don't sign a player who doesn't fit your scheme, for significant $$$, just to keep him from going to a rival.

3. Let Allen go to Seattle. He's a rapidly declining player. Would also offset a nice compensatory pick they were likely to receive.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by JerryRice1848:
NO IF WE HAD A GREAT FRONT OFFICE WE WOULD HAVE STOPPED JARED ALLEN GOING TO CAWKLAND

1. He hasn't signed with Seattle yet.

2. You don't sign a player who doesn't fit your scheme, for significant $$$, just to keep him from going to a rival.

3. Let Allen go to Seattle. He's a rapidly declining player. Would also offset a nice compensatory pick they were likely to receive.

Not only that, they still haven't paid Sherman or Wilson along with a slew of other young players they have that are going to soon need contracts. I say Let them sign Allen, would only mean good things in the future for the niners.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
1. He hasn't signed with Seattle yet.

2. You don't sign a player who doesn't fit your scheme, for significant $$$, just to keep him from going to a rival.

3. Let Allen go to Seattle. He's a rapidly declining player. Would also offset a nice compensatory pick they were likely to receive.

Indeed! Jared Allen would hardly see the field on this roster. The compensatory pick thing I hadn't even thought of.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Agree with both of you! Baalke and Harbaugh probably spend more time with each other, making more decisions, than they do with their wives. It's bound to get chippy at times. And they made the media look like the over reacting rubes they tend to be.

As for the glass half full...I only disagree in that the glass is 97% full! LOL! Lost a couple of guys, retained the most important, and have a slew of guys who didn't play last year but will this year...and all this before the draft! Add those six high picks and this team is loaded and better than last year. The only change that could be negative is at DB and I would argue Donatell and Fangio no doubt have this figured out. Would love to have a really solid back up at QB but that's hard to do within the cap.

The CB position is worrisome. Im curious as to why Cox played over Wright but yet they extended Wright. But he will also have an offseason to get his career back on track in a better environment than he has had in the past. But again our track record with CBs is pretty good so its hard to see our FO missing on CBs with soo many picks.
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Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
1. He hasn't signed with Seattle yet.

2. You don't sign a player who doesn't fit your scheme, for significant $$$, just to keep him from going to a rival.

3. Let Allen go to Seattle. He's a rapidly declining player. Would also offset a nice compensatory pick they were likely to receive.

Indeed! Jared Allen would hardly see the field on this roster. The compensatory pick thing I hadn't even thought of.

Excellent point!
Originally posted by 5280High:
The CB position is worrisome. Im curious as to why Cox played over Wright but yet they extended Wright. But he will also have an offseason to get his career back on track in a better environment than he has had in the past. But again our track record with CBs is pretty good so its hard to see our FO missing on CBs with soo many picks.

Wright was limited with a hamstring so he wasn't at 100%...which is death for a CB. Rogers wasn't at full strength either...hamstring.
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