Great Job by the Front Office...

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by susweel:
Seahawks just got Jared Allen while we got punk ass b***h Martin and plain gabbert.

Yah great job front office.

goddamnit, this if some b******t ass off season

Chill.

When was the last time the Niners signed a FA to a huge contract? Nate Clements? How'd THAT work out?

What have they done these last three years? Bargain Free Agents and draft picks. How has that turned out? 3 NFCCG appearances.

Every year peeps get pissed because the 49ers "lost out" on someone and then overreact when someone else signs a guy. 3 years ago it was Nnamdi. 2 years ago it was Peyton. This year it's Revis. Niners do what they do, peeps get so upset, and then the Niners win. ALOT.

Relax. This is what they do and it works.

I agree Marvin, but he difference is that SEA is now coming off a SB after some fairly significant FA signings last year and now have made another impact signing this year. I think it's just human nature to see your rival load up again while your team just sits pat. The major issue i have is that there were some very good FA CB's out there, and it would have been nice to try to land one of them, then giving yourself the option to go BPA in the 1st round. I dunno, i have faith in the FO so i will just let it play out like i do every year.

Why are people around here pretending that spending a bunch of money on fricking Jared Allen is some kind of coup for the Seahawks? Allen is simply NOT that guy anymore. Has he beaten Joe Staley even once in the last three or four games they've played the Vikings? Okay, maybe once or twice, but the guy is simply not as good as he used to be and the Seahawks probably paid too much for him anyway. On his best day, he isn't half the pass rusher Aldon Smith is right now. Brooks is a better pass rusher than Jared Allen. And on top of everything else, Allen is a punk. I'm glad they picked him up - just more cap problems for them and a probable locker room problem on top of that.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Wow.


Jeff Deeney‏
@PFF_Jeff1 min Not the exact same position, but Aldon Smith had 55 QB pressures in 289 pass rushes last year, J. Allen had 65 pressures in 649 pass rushes.

I think Allen -- especially at his age -- would do a lot better as a rotational specialist. I"m guessing his efficiency would jump way up if he wasn't playing so many snaps. Hate to see him go to Seattle.

Too many people around here play far too much Madden.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by susweel:
Seahawks just got Jared Allen while we got punk ass b***h Martin and plain gabbert.

Yah great job front office.

goddamnit, this if some b******t ass off season

Chill.

When was the last time the Niners signed a FA to a huge contract? Nate Clements? How'd THAT work out?

What have they done these last three years? Bargain Free Agents and draft picks. How has that turned out? 3 NFCCG appearances.

Every year peeps get pissed because the 49ers "lost out" on someone and then overreact when someone else signs a guy. 3 years ago it was Nnamdi. 2 years ago it was Peyton. This year it's Revis. Niners do what they do, peeps get so upset, and then the Niners win. ALOT.

Relax. This is what they do and it works.

I agree Marvin, but he difference is that SEA is now coming off a SB after some fairly significant FA signings last year and now have made another impact signing this year. I think it's just human nature to see your rival load up again while your team just sits pat. The major issue i have is that there were some very good FA CB's out there, and it would have been nice to try to land one of them, then giving yourself the option to go BPA in the 1st round. I dunno, i have faith in the FO so i will just let it play out like i do every year.

They signed Jared Allen (or seem to be about to anyway). They lost Golden Tate. They lost their RT (probably not a huge loss). They resigned Bennett. Good for them.

The 49ers resigned Boldin. They resigned Dawson. They extended Kilgore. They extended Miller. They replaced Whitner (Bethea). They get Culliver, Williams, Lattimore, Carradine, and Dial back next year.

....AND they have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds.

The sky ain't falling. The Seahawks only have 2 picks in the top 3 rounds. They have far fewer options on draft day.

The 49ers don't HAVE to take a CB in round one. Its a deep draft at the position and could probably still get one with their SIXTH pick on draft day.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Wow.


Jeff Deeney‏
@PFF_Jeff1 min Not the exact same position, but Aldon Smith had 55 QB pressures in 289 pass rushes last year, J. Allen had 65 pressures in 649 pass rushes.

I think Allen -- especially at his age -- would do a lot better as a rotational specialist. I"m guessing his efficiency would jump way up if he wasn't playing so many snaps. Hate to see him go to Seattle.

Avril, Bennet and allen are now their pass rushers. This is not good.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Wow.


Jeff Deeney‏
@PFF_Jeff1 min Not the exact same position, but Aldon Smith had 55 QB pressures in 289 pass rushes last year, J. Allen had 65 pressures in 649 pass rushes.

I think Allen -- especially at his age -- would do a lot better as a rotational specialist. I"m guessing his efficiency would jump way up if he wasn't playing so many snaps. Hate to see him go to Seattle.

Its a good signing. Not gonna pretend otherwise, but I'm not quaking about it.

I trust the 49ers' FO completely. Every FO makes mistakes, ours will be no different, but they seem to be able to limit their mistakes more than most franchises. All they need to do is find some elite young talent at the WR and DB positions and the team will be in that much better a position for the future.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by susweel:
Seahawks just got Jared Allen while we got punk ass b***h Martin and plain gabbert.

Yah great job front office.

lol

FAWK!

I ain't worried about Jared Allen. We got Joe Staley and he ain't better than Aldon or Ahmad in my book at this stage in his career

I'm just pissed that they lost Clemons and upgraded to Allen. And we lose Brown and sign Chris Cook. Not exactly a "great" job by the F/O.

...Says who? Why do you assume they were going to replace Brown with a FA? I think they were looking to draft a new secondary all along and have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds to do so. Even Brown said that they lowballed him because they are probably looking to get younger there.

The Seahawks have 2 picks in the first 3 rounds. The Niners have SIX.

Free Agency isn't where you build. Its where you suppliment. If they had to start a game right now they'd have a solid starter at every position. Now that can draft a new secondary and some new WRs to groom behind those starters.

I assume they were going to replace Brown with a F/A because of we visited with Thrumond and Cook who were F/As. I understand that the draft is where you replace players, but CB is hard to replace, at least right away. Having draft picks doesn't really guarantee anything. And drafting if for the future anyhow. We are a superbolwl ready team now and needed to add some key pieces.

If we started playing who would be the starting DBs? Brock, Morris, Eric Wright? That is ultra risky.

1) Right, and they visited with Delmas and Woodson last year before drafting Reid. Thats what they do.

2) Draft picks don't guarantee anything. That's true. Neither does Free Agency. Free Agency is largely fools gold. The only players available are players another team let walk, they get WAY overpaid, and very often get released because they aren't worth their contracts. Draft is better. Always has been and always will be.

3) Starting Corners right now would be Brock and Culliver. Brock started half the season already and Culliver would have started had he not been hurt. he was hurt in camp so he'll have more than a full year to come back from ACL surgery.

Ideal? No...but if you have to go into the season with them, you should be OK...particularly with that front 7 in front of them. Was Brown ever really anything more than solid? There is a reason the 49ers lowballed him and why the Raiders got him for 3.5 when other corners were getting 10.

I forgot about Cully, but he's coming of a gruesome injury. I hope and pray he comes back to his old form, but it is highly unlikely he will right away.

We are basically doing what you said we did last year with Reid. Hey it worked out, but what if it doesn't? Last year our backup plan was Dahl and this year its Culliver, Cook, Wright , Morris or a rookie.

Baalke is playing with fire.

How would he NOT be playiong with fire with a FA?

Were Talib or Revis ever real options? Not at those prices.

I ALWAYS thought they'd address the secondary in the draft.

Why? Price and Age. Niners have some big contracts coming and they can't keep their own guys if they are paying huge $$$ to another teams castoffs.

The draft is better. Always. HUGE potential. Minimal price. Minimal risk. They have 2 starters. They now have the ability to get guys to compete with them for playing time.

As for Reid, remember...the 49ers traded UP to get him. They knew he was their guy. They also probably knew there were a few guys they liked. We can't be afraid to play rookies. More and more as other players eat up larger and larger portions of the cap, we will have to be reliant on draft picks playing on rookie contracts. Thats why its so important that the 49ers keep aquiring additional draft picks.

THATS HOW YOU STAY GOOD.

IMO, our secondary has been greatly overrated for the past few years now. They needed to overhaul the position anyway. Now they have the ammunition and a deep draft at the position to do exactly that.

Marv,

While I agree with much of your post and feel OK about how they've handled the secondary, two points to counter:

1. The team could have signed someone like Walter Thurmond just to have another solid vet presence and some insurance. He only signed 1-year 3.5 with NYG.
   
   
2. Not sure how you can say the secondary is overrated. They were incredible in 2011, solid in 2012 until the playoff collapse, and regained form in 2013 thanks to a bounce back year from Whitner, the emergence of Reid and Brock, and solid play from Brown and Rogers. Fangio only gets the luxury of rushing 4 due to the trust he places in the secondary...and they deliver.

If you look back on 2013, you'll see a lot of times where really good QB's had plenty of time in the pocket and had to either throw it away or got taken down as the result of a coverage sack.

People love to slight the 49ers secondary but only if it falters, and I pray it doesn't, will people realize just how good it's been. For better context, revisit the unit from 2000-2010 and tell me 2011-2013 a marked improvement and one of the best units in the league?

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Wow.


Jeff Deeney‏
@PFF_Jeff1 min Not the exact same position, but Aldon Smith had 55 QB pressures in 289 pass rushes last year, J. Allen had 65 pressures in 649 pass rushes.

I think Allen -- especially at his age -- would do a lot better as a rotational specialist. I"m guessing his efficiency would jump way up if he wasn't playing so many snaps. Hate to see him go to Seattle.

Its a good signing. Not gonna pretend otherwise, but I'm not quaking about it.

Allen was something like 5 away from the most pass rush attempts (30 more than any other player in the league) in NFL history and produced 65 pressures and 11.5 sacks. With all of those rush attempts he ranked 9th in the league amongst 4-3 DEs in QB pressures. And he was underwhelming against the run.

I'll be very surprised he outplays whatever he is payed.

Well that's about what every one of your 57,000 posts is worth susweel.

Originally posted by Gore_21:
Well that's about what every one of your 57,000 posts is worth susweel.

why you mad tho ?

Originally posted by susweel:
why you mad tho ?

Because all you and SD do is complain about every move the team makes. It gets old. I'm all for discussion and I don't want anyone to be a lackey and blindly agree withe very move we make but you guys don't seem to think we ever do anything right. Honestly, I think you are knowledgeable about football too so I think it's a waste to post like you do.

Young2, remember we got Eric Reid and Bethea(way more passes deflected than Whitner) behind our CBs. We definitely are better at S/FS IMO. I liked Whitner, a lot, but I love Bethea....and remember, Safeties are DBs too. For my money, Brock is a definite starter in this league, even with just half a yr under his belt. Cully...well, no way to know this early, but knee injury in a CB is not a great injury to have. Totally depends on exactly what was done to him. And different people heal better than others. Since I like him, I have my fingers crossed. Still, we have 4 other guys, all capable, all unknown at this time, all waiting to show us what we have. So let's not start complaining until we see what Trent has in the other CBs. Point is we have 6 of them, and I suspect none are chopped liver. I would bet that besides Brock and Cully there will be one at least who is a bona fide starter, and with luck two. We have four, and one may not make it, one may be just a backup. But point is no one knows for sure what we have...and trent is a shrewed talent picker. So let's wait to see what we got before complaining about what we don't have. Remember, we haven't even touched the draft yet, and have what, 10, 11 picks?

what we do have is a total switcheroo to press D from that crappy "bend but don't break" secondary...a loser in tight games. And trent did it seamlessly. Last yr our 1st pick was #30...but we picked...yeah, #15, and still had plenty of picks left and got good talent. Trent has now proven 3 yrs running that he makes wise picks, and when he doesn't, he turns a lemon (AJ) into Baldwin, who had 42 catches in KC with dreck for QBs. Wait til Baldwin starts getting some chances...I think you will be very happy with what Trent traded a bad pick for.

I cannot see Trent moving up to a top 8 pick, and probably not a top 10 pick to get the CB he really wants. But if he really likes a CB, who is not top 8-10, look for Trent to bring us a starter...if not this yr, next. Of course if a
#1 WR slips by that Trent has rated much higher, he could go that way. But the CB you want is likely coming via draft, and if Trent doesn't move up for him, chances are he wasn't worth it. So again, hold off on complaints until we see this all play out. Frankly with Brock, Reid, Bethea there, I already like our DBs. We need a bona fide starter CB, but starters on this team frequently don't get a chance until a current starter goes down....Brock for example. So, don't discount what we have on the team already. WE could conceivably have our 4th CB on the bench.

As for hump players, noted above, reread Marvin's post. For my money, our OC, (and HC a little bit) let us down the last pass play in the SB, and the last pass play in the NFCC in SEA. Had we won one more game that game would have been here ,and we beat SEA here in NFCC. So our last two losses, last two yrs...pin the tail on the donkey who called the plays, not a hump player on the team (ok, kap could have reloaded and looked elsewhere, but for my money, put both losses on roman, not the players.) Again for my money, the HUMP is roman, and will again be this yr. If we win it is not because of him but in spite of him. So yeah, we can't get over the hump...but the hump isn't one more player. It is a better, much better OC...than roman. Incidentally, I don't give Coach H a pass on the roman thing. But it is roman calling the plays and Coach knows them too before going in. Kap, well he threw both passes ending the game, and neither should have been thrown. Again, there is another hump, but all fingers point to roman...in fact I may start calling him just "HUMP" instead of roman.

Originally posted by OregonNiner87:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Wow.


Jeff Deeney‏
@PFF_Jeff1 min Not the exact same position, but Aldon Smith had 55 QB pressures in 289 pass rushes last year, J. Allen had 65 pressures in 649 pass rushes.

I think Allen -- especially at his age -- would do a lot better as a rotational specialist. I"m guessing his efficiency would jump way up if he wasn't playing so many snaps. Hate to see him go to Seattle.

Its a good signing. Not gonna pretend otherwise, but I'm not quaking about it.

Allen was something like 5 away from the most pass rush attempts (30 more than any other player in the league) in NFL history and produced 65 pressures and 11.5 sacks. With all of those rush attempts he ranked 9th in the league amongst 4-3 DEs in QB pressures. And he was underwhelming against the run.

I'll be very surprised he outplays whatever he is payed.

Thanks for that. It's posts like this and Marvins that always help talk me off the ledge. lol.