Blaine Gabbert

Originally posted by BarrySandwich:
Will Blaine throw a pass longer than 2 yards against the Rams?

That'd be considered a bomb based on the dline he'll be facing.

Originally posted by BodhiPaddlesOut:
That'd be considered a bomb based on the dline he'll be facing.

lol

Good thing for Blaine, Martin aint playin...or he better prey that he doesn't.

Aaron Donald vs Martin.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Interesting article in the CSN news feed where Gregg Cosell is talking about Gabbert. He calls him a "tease" whose arm strength and athleticism will always make people think he has a chance to be a good QB but that he sees the same flaws as he did in his game going back to his days at Missouri, mostly that he has "nervous feet" and often feels pressure that isn't there causing him to abandon the pocket too soon and leave good throws on the field. I hadn't noticed that too much myself but I think it's important to remember that there were probably legitimate reasons that he failed to get it done in Jacksonville. I think it has been our hope that the time he has spent off the field has helped him mature as a person and a player but there probably isn't going to be anyway to find out for sure unless they start him next year with Hyde and Draughn healthy and a revamped line in front of them along with some new receivers and TE's. I think 2016 will be the real test of the coaches and players that are currently on the team and how they fare and how management chooses to deal with it if they fall short will tell us a lot about where the team is headed.

Aaron Rodgers has nervous feet right now as well. That is what happens when you play behind a bad pass protect OL.

I respect Cosell's opinion but I don't see him leaving the pocket too soon. When he leaves it is either because he must or he sees an opportunity to make a play with his feet.

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:
Like you said 50/50.... A better QB would've gotten the ball there sooner.

It wouldn`t have made any difference, Simpson was just idling along the sideline, with a couple DBs monitoring him. He needed to go after the ball more aggressively once he saw it coming his way. The guy has the I.Q. of a potato. He and Patton both.

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:

Like you said 50/50.... A better QB would've gotten the ball there sooner.

It wouldn`t have made any difference, Simpson was just idling along the sideline, with a couple DBs monitoring him. He needed to go after the ball more aggressively once he saw it coming his way. The guy has the I.Q. of a potato. He and Patton both.

Agreed. But Patton's brain farts at this point are beyond belief. That isn't coaching, it is stupidity.

Originally posted by BarrySandwich:

Will Blaine throw a pass longer than 2 yards against the Rams?

Yes he will throw a magnificent 3 yard check down to Hayne on 3rd and 8... Hayne will then break 4 tackles for a 67 yard Touchdown. Then the zone will go crazy about Gabbert's amazing accuracy, pocket pressence(with no pass rush), and abililty to read the defense(with two other receivers open past the yard markers)...

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:

Originally posted by BarrySandwich:
Will Blaine throw a pass longer than 2 yards against the Rams?

Yes he will throw a magnificent 3 yard check down to Hayne on 3rd and 8... Hayne will then break 4 tackles for a 67 yard Touchdown. Then the zone will go crazy about Gabbert's amazing accuracy, pocket pressence(with no pass rush), and abililty to read the defense(with two other receivers open past the yard markers)...

Nice to see that gross exaggeration isn't limited to one side of the argument.

He'll be fine.....backing up Goff next season.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Interesting article in the CSN news feed where Gregg Cosell is talking about Gabbert. He calls him a "tease" whose arm strength and athleticism will always make people think he has a chance to be a good QB but that he sees the same flaws as he did in his game going back to his days at Missouri, mostly that he has "nervous feet" and often feels pressure that isn't there causing him to abandon the pocket too soon and leave good throws on the field. I hadn't noticed that too much myself but I think it's important to remember that there were probably legitimate reasons that he failed to get it done in Jacksonville. I think it has been our hope that the time he has spent off the field has helped him mature as a person and a player but there probably isn't going to be anyway to find out for sure unless they start him next year with Hyde and Draughn healthy and a revamped line in front of them along with some new receivers and TE's. I think 2016 will be the real test of the coaches and players that are currently on the team and how they fare and how management chooses to deal with it if they fall short will tell us a lot about where the team is headed.

Aaron Rodgers has nervous feet right now as well. That is what happens when you play behind a bad pass protect OL.

I respect Cosell's opinion but I don't see him leaving the pocket too soon. When he leaves it is either because he must or he sees an opportunity to make a play with his feet.

Yeah, but Rodgers has shown to not have nervous feet. Gabbert is shown to be Gabbert. I agree with Cosell and this is pretty much why I have said he is an average QB. The only thing I learned about Gabbert is he has the ability to be a strong backup QB. Without this audition, I thought he was headed out of the league. He is athletic, but doesn't have a great arm and feels the rush too quickly, which causes early check downs or fleeing from the pocket. You can put a few nice drives a game together doing this, but not a consistent winning offense.

This is pretty much what every critic of Gabbert has said but some folks don't want to listen. I get the human nature of hoping this works out, but I just don't see it. I do think because of contracts, we will see a full year of Gabbert next year though, and everybody will have their answer. A Davis (and any new addition) will be back so he will have a much better line to work with and should have no excuses.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Nice to see that gross exaggeration isn't limited to one side of the argument.

That's the point... his play and/or potential is grossly exaggerated. At least in my opinion.

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Interesting article in the CSN news feed where Gregg Cosell is talking about Gabbert. He calls him a "tease" whose arm strength and athleticism will always make people think he has a chance to be a good QB but that he sees the same flaws as he did in his game going back to his days at Missouri, mostly that he has "nervous feet" and often feels pressure that isn't there causing him to abandon the pocket too soon and leave good throws on the field. I hadn't noticed that too much myself but I think it's important to remember that there were probably legitimate reasons that he failed to get it done in Jacksonville. I think it has been our hope that the time he has spent off the field has helped him mature as a person and a player but there probably isn't going to be anyway to find out for sure unless they start him next year with Hyde and Draughn healthy and a revamped line in front of them along with some new receivers and TE's. I think 2016 will be the real test of the coaches and players that are currently on the team and how they fare and how management chooses to deal with it if they fall short will tell us a lot about where the team is headed.

Aaron Rodgers has nervous feet right now as well. That is what happens when you play behind a bad pass protect OL.

I respect Cosell's opinion but I don't see him leaving the pocket too soon. When he leaves it is either because he must or he sees an opportunity to make a play with his feet.

Yeah, but Rodgers has shown to not have nervous feet. Gabbert is shown to be Gabbert. I agree with Cosell and this is pretty much why I have said he is an average QB. The only thing I learned about Gabbert is he has the ability to be a strong backup QB. Without this audition, I thought he was headed out of the league. He is athletic, but doesn't have a great arm and feels the rush too quickly, which causes early check downs or fleeing from the pocket. You can put a few nice drives a game together doing this, but not a consistent winning offense.

This is pretty much what every critic of Gabbert has said but some folks don't want to listen. I get the human nature of hoping this works out, but I just don't see it. I do think because of contracts, we will see a full year of Gabbert next year though, and everybody will have their answer. A Davis (and any new addition) will be back so he will have a much better line to work with and should have no excuses.

I kind of get this but these types of assessments are typically seen with guys like Jeff Garcia. Blaine has now played behind two of the worst OL's in history. Literally. There was one game where I saw him fully regress to the Jax-Gabbert. I'm sure any analysis done on QB's in the pocket across the league who then comes over and watches our QB's behind this OL is going to have a similar "WTF!" assessment...whether it was Alex, CK or Gabbert, they were/are all running for their lives.

So in short, I somewhat agree here...but the context is a bit off. Cossell is good at giving assessments but one thing he never does is provide context. Gabbert now has 4 new starting OL. Pears moved to RG, Brown in at RT, Tiller over to LG now and Kilgore back at C. And Boone is out. Will Martin be in this week? What I'm seeing isn't so much poor old habits but a QB who now has to take a breathe, relax and realize he's not longer working behind an OL that consists of Martin, Devey and Pears. He also has a RT now that is large and in charge and will either stonewall the pass rusher or swing him properly around and away from the pocket (Blaine is used to filing out right as quickly as he receives the snap...LOL). He can't do that anymore. Stay in the pocket.

After 7 games and only 36 total games in his career, I still think it's way too early to paint him one way or another in the grand scheme of things. Especially these 7 games under all the issues we've had with coaching, scheme, predictable play calling, injuries, changes to the OL, etc. His ceiling is still high but who knows if we can get him there...if he can get there.

Are there really Niner fans entertaining the thought of keeping Gabbert? That's crazy. The guy don't have it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Interesting article in the CSN news feed where Gregg Cosell is talking about Gabbert. He calls him a "tease" whose arm strength and athleticism will always make people think he has a chance to be a good QB but that he sees the same flaws as he did in his game going back to his days at Missouri, mostly that he has "nervous feet" and often feels pressure that isn't there causing him to abandon the pocket too soon and leave good throws on the field. I hadn't noticed that too much myself but I think it's important to remember that there were probably legitimate reasons that he failed to get it done in Jacksonville. I think it has been our hope that the time he has spent off the field has helped him mature as a person and a player but there probably isn't going to be anyway to find out for sure unless they start him next year with Hyde and Draughn healthy and a revamped line in front of them along with some new receivers and TE's. I think 2016 will be the real test of the coaches and players that are currently on the team and how they fare and how management chooses to deal with it if they fall short will tell us a lot about where the team is headed.

Aaron Rodgers has nervous feet right now as well. That is what happens when you play behind a bad pass protect OL.

I respect Cosell's opinion but I don't see him leaving the pocket too soon. When he leaves it is either because he must or he sees an opportunity to make a play with his feet.

Yeah, but Rodgers has shown to not have nervous feet. Gabbert is shown to be Gabbert. I agree with Cosell and this is pretty much why I have said he is an average QB. The only thing I learned about Gabbert is he has the ability to be a strong backup QB. Without this audition, I thought he was headed out of the league. He is athletic, but doesn't have a great arm and feels the rush too quickly, which causes early check downs or fleeing from the pocket. You can put a few nice drives a game together doing this, but not a consistent winning offense.

This is pretty much what every critic of Gabbert has said but some folks don't want to listen. I get the human nature of hoping this works out, but I just don't see it. I do think because of contracts, we will see a full year of Gabbert next year though, and everybody will have their answer. A Davis (and any new addition) will be back so he will have a much better line to work with and should have no excuses.

I kind of get this but these types of assessments are typically seen with guys like Jeff Garcia. Blaine has now played behind two of the worst OL's in history. Literally. There was one game where I saw him fully regress to the Jax-Gabbert. I'm sure any analysis done on QB's in the pocket across the league and then comes over and watches our AB's behind this OL is going to have a similar assessment...whether it was Alex, CK or Gabbert, they are all running for their lives.

So in short, I somewhat agree here...but the context is off. Gabbert now 4 new starting OL. Pears moved to RG, Brown in at RT, Tiller over to LG and Kilgore back at C. And Boone is out. What I'm seeing isn't so much of old habits but a QB who now has to take a breathe, relax and realize he's not longer working behind an OL that consists of Martin, Devey and Pears. He also has a RT now that is large and in charge and will either stonewall the pass rusher or swing him properly around and away from the pocket.

After 7 games and only 36 total games in his career, I still think it's way too early to paint him one way or another in the grand scheme of things. Especially these 7 games under all the issues we've had with coaching, scheme, predictable play calling, injuries, changes to the OL, etc. His ceiling is still high but who knows if we can get him there...if he can get there.

I get the optimism, but the only 36 total games thing doesn't work for me. He has been in the league for a while now. A lot of people wish they got 36 games. Everyone likes to say how much time Alex got, but that is rare. I'm not saying it won't work out for him, but I just don't see the massive improvement needed coming to become a quality starting QB.

And frankly I have no interest in investing 2-3 years of average quarterbacking to find out. I just did that with Kap, not interested in doing it again.

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
I get the optimism, but the only 36 total games thing doesn't work for me. He has been in the league for a while now. A lot of people wish they got 36 games. Everyone likes to say how much time Alex got, but that is rare. I'm not saying it won't work out for him, but I just don't see the massive improvement needed coming to become a quality starting QB.

And frankly I have no interest in investing 2-3 years of average quarterbacking to find out. I just did that with Kap, not interested in doing it again.

I thought I was pretty clear that my comment was pretty neutral. I can see his ceiling but I have no idea if he'll ever be in a situation where he can reach it (i.e. having the parts around him + his own personal growth). I'm with you and everyone who thinks we should not stay pat and count on Blaine. If there is a QB out there that has a higher ceiling than Blaine and could be expected to compete in 2017 and raise the bar, you've got to do it. In the meantime, like you said, build up the pieces (esp. coaching and scheme and play calling) around him (add that Z WR, healthy RB's, OL, etc.) and let's see how far we can take it. If his floor is "bridge QB" then that is fine too. If he reaches that #10 overall level, that's a bonus...but don't count on that.

I just pray that rare "Franchise QB" is there for us...if Baalke really did prefer Dalton over Kaepernick, then those are the types of QB molds we should be looking at.