2014 Team Needs - Updates

Originally posted by NCommand:
2015 Team Needs updated...what do you guys think?

2015 Team Needs: (Order of Tier Importance: Top Tier, Second Tier & Third Tier)

Top Tier: No particular order within the tiers...
#1 HC/OC + Staff - New HC/OC with a professional offensive system and proven coaching staff. Many of the offensive picks will be based on players who fit that new system (i.e. WCO).

Excellent point! IF they switch to a more true WCO they may need to retool the OL and bring in a competitive QB. I think WR and RB/FB are OK.

#2 Z WR/Dynamic Returner - This may be priority #1 for personnel. We could probably use a speedster as well as a bigger-bodied possession WR who's got top-talent to pair with Boldin/Johnson.

This has been my priority for three years now! Just have to be able to beat DBs no matter how talented. Certainly the coaching matters--but speed helps!

#3 QB - Veteran backup and hand-picked QB by the HC/OC in round 2 to fit the offensive system and develop over time (and push CK).

If they go pass first O with a more horizontal approach they may need to trade CK and pick up a vet and rookie to fit the system. But I doubt that happens this offseason...would like to see what Kaepernick could do with a different OC helping him...may be dynamite! On the other hand, his trade value might be higher now. Not sure Baalke and York are ready to jump with both feet. If they dump Harbaugh they'd better be willing to give the new coach what he needs and wants!

#4 LCB & RCB/Dynamic Returner - This could be a top pick if Cox, Culliver & Cook take off esp. if he doubles as a dynamic returner. This could drop down a tier with the long-term signings of either Culliver, Cox and Cook (or all 3).

I don't see Baalke spending a high pick here unless a true playmaker drops into their laps. I'd be happy with resigning a couple and moving forward the young guys.

#5 LT & RT - You can never have too many good T's.

WCO would make this a priority! Staley can play anything but could move inside. Not sure about Boone's ability to be a WCO OT. Wonder what Chris Martin is capable of (PS)? Big rangy guy. May be a good place to pick up a veteran to match a new system.

Second Tier:
#6 SAM - This will be a bigger priority if Brooks is cut.
#7 TED - Will need another backup if Wilhoite is gone.
#8 RB - Whether Frank stays or goes, the new HC/OC may still want to go with Hyde and will draft another RB just in case for his system.
#9 TE - We could us a tall 6'6" TE who can catch for the RZ and to split out wide.
#10 LG - Could use a push-player here.
#11 RDE - Could use a top talent here as well to be safe.

If they cut Brooks and Lemonier still doesn't pan out OLB will jump up the need list! I can see a need everywhere here and BPA should reign. If they trade Harbaugh they need to try and get some transition help.

Third Tier:
# 12 NICKLE CB - It couldn't hurt to push the group we have already.

Way down my list but, as with everything, you can't ignore a guy falling to them at the right spot! Especially if he can return kicks.

Overall: I see 14 "need picks" with many being taken care of well before the draft (i.e. resignings and restructuring of our own players such as Cox, Culliver, Cook, Smith, Gore, Brooks, Wilhoite, etc.). I anticipate much cap space opening up as well for us with some of these aging players moving on and with the continued development of our youth-movement going forward. I figure by the time we get to the draft, 1/2 of these 14 need picks will be shored up in FA whether in-house or outside. Translastion: This is already a stacked roster, it's now an even more experienced roster due to all the injuries this year and cheap!

Really can't disagree with you anywhere NC. Nice assessment!

Justin Smith retiring would be a huge blow and might totally change the needs hierarchy. If they could get Oaklands pick away from them for Harbaugh (not likely) Williams would be a nice Justin replacement...high energy, tough, super strong, productive and loves to play--sounds just like JS.

O-line, d-line and corner should be the top needs. RB and TE are secondary but still need some help and a solid backup QB to groom behind kap if he keeps f**king up and to put pressure on him is a must

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
2015 Team Needs updated...what do you guys think?

2015 Team Needs: (Order of Tier Importance: Top Tier, Second Tier & Third Tier)

Top Tier: No particular order within the tiers...
#1 HC/OC + Staff - New HC/OC with a professional offensive system and proven coaching staff. Many of the offensive picks will be based on players who fit that new system (i.e. WCO).

Excellent point! IF they switch to a more true WCO they may need to retool the OL and bring in a competitive QB. I think WR and RB/FB are OK.

#2 Z WR/Dynamic Returner - This may be priority #1 for personnel. We could probably use a speedster as well as a bigger-bodied possession WR who's got top-talent to pair with Boldin/Johnson.

This has been my priority for three years now! Just have to be able to beat DBs no matter how talented. Certainly the coaching matters--but speed helps!

#3 QB - Veteran backup and hand-picked QB by the HC/OC in round 2 to fit the offensive system and develop over time (and push CK).

If they go pass first O with a more horizontal approach they may need to trade CK and pick up a vet and rookie to fit the system. But I doubt that happens this offseason...would like to see what Kaepernick could do with a different OC helping him...may be dynamite! On the other hand, his trade value might be higher now. Not sure Baalke and York are ready to jump with both feet. If they dump Harbaugh they'd better be willing to give the new coach what he needs and wants!

#4 LCB & RCB/Dynamic Returner - This could be a top pick if Cox, Culliver & Cook take off esp. if he doubles as a dynamic returner. This could drop down a tier with the long-term signings of either Culliver, Cox and Cook (or all 3).

I don't see Baalke spending a high pick here unless a true playmaker drops into their laps. I'd be happy with resigning a couple and moving forward the young guys.

#5 LT & RT - You can never have too many good T's.

WCO would make this a priority! Staley can play anything but could move inside. Not sure about Boone's ability to be a WCO OT. Wonder what Chris Martin is capable of (PS)? Big rangy guy. May be a good place to pick up a veteran to match a new system.

Second Tier:
#6 SAM - This will be a bigger priority if Brooks is cut.
#7 TED - Will need another backup if Wilhoite is gone.
#8 RB - Whether Frank stays or goes, the new HC/OC may still want to go with Hyde and will draft another RB just in case for his system.
#9 TE - We could us a tall 6'6" TE who can catch for the RZ and to split out wide.
#10 LG - Could use a push-player here.
#11 RDE - Could use a top talent here as well to be safe.

If they cut Brooks and Lemonier still doesn't pan out OLB will jump up the need list! I can see a need everywhere here and BPA should reign. If they trade Harbaugh they need to try and get some transition help.

Third Tier:
# 12 NICKLE CB - It couldn't hurt to push the group we have already.

Way down my list but, as with everything, you can't ignore a guy falling to them at the right spot! Especially if he can return kicks.

Overall: I see 14 "need picks" with many being taken care of well before the draft (i.e. resignings and restructuring of our own players such as Cox, Culliver, Cook, Smith, Gore, Brooks, Wilhoite, etc.). I anticipate much cap space opening up as well for us with some of these aging players moving on and with the continued development of our youth-movement going forward. I figure by the time we get to the draft, 1/2 of these 14 need picks will be shored up in FA whether in-house or outside. Translastion: This is already a stacked roster, it's now an even more experienced roster due to all the injuries this year and cheap!

Really can't disagree with you anywhere NC. Nice assessment!

Justin Smith retiring would be a huge blow and might totally change the needs hierarchy. If they could get Oaklands pick away from them for Harbaugh (not likely) Williams would be a nice Justin replacement...high energy, tough, super strong, productive and loves to play--sounds just like JS.

Thanks for the critical review my friend...hope many of these "needs" drop down to Tier 2 and 3 soon! But dayem, we need that #1 badly! It ALL starts there...

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thanks for the critical review my friend...hope many of these "needs" drop down to Tier 2 and 3 soon! But dayem, we need that #1 badly! It ALL starts there...

We've all seen that one turn the whole ship around! Look what Harbaugh did for the team overall, now we just need that OC to do the same for the offense.

HC/OC and might as well trade kap and start over with Qb. JH and roman have ruined kap. Also, I don't think kap has his heart in this team, or football even. I think he is stuck in teenage yrs with his social media b.s. and has no idea what an honor it is to be a qb in this league. He is a bottom 5 qb and that is being generous, but most of that has to do with crappy coaching from jh and roman. Fire them both. then get:

OC/HC of Baylor, TCU, Fla State, Oregon, Washington OC/HC Peterson from Boise state, maybe linehan from rams/dallas, as OC/HC, look at OC at Denver who has learned from peyton, or any other hot shot OC in the NFL who deserves to be HC but will also be OC. SD Chargers coach is great example, same for Eagles and so on. WE just got crap we need the best...and we don't have it. Get baalke to get us a OC/HC. Then worry about players later. I would also get a game manager QB, like we had with alex who is smart and talented. Kap can just throw the ball a mile....and I don't really think he enjoys this game. GET someone who does. Kap seems locked up in his teen age yrs and the kid is 27 yrs old. Something is wrong there, but far be it from me to say what.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
HC/OC and might as well trade kap and start over with Qb. JH and roman have ruined kap. Also, I don't think kap has his heart in this team, or football even. I think he is stuck in teenage yrs with his social media b.s. and has no idea what an honor it is to be a qb in this league. He is a bottom 5 qb and that is being generous, but most of that has to do with crappy coaching from jh and roman. Fire them both. then get:

OC/HC of Baylor, TCU, Fla State, Oregon, Washington OC/HC Peterson from Boise state, maybe linehan from rams/dallas, as OC/HC, look at OC at Denver who has learned from peyton, or any other hot shot OC in the NFL who deserves to be HC but will also be OC. SD Chargers coach is great example, same for Eagles and so on. WE just got crap we need the best...and we don't have it. Get baalke to get us a OC/HC. Then worry about players later. I would also get a game manager QB, like we had with alex who is smart and talented. Kap can just throw the ball a mile....and I don't really think he enjoys this game. GET someone who does. Kap seems locked up in his teen age yrs and the kid is 27 yrs old. Something is wrong there, but far be it from me to say what.

It's almost parallel to how Nolan "ruined" Alex. But Alex took 7+ years of abuse before he was freed. I think this has been a very humbling year for CK and we saw some more maturity from him last week in the presser, understanding he needs to be a better leader, represent the franchise better and I saw more "maturity" from him on the field yesterday as well.

I'll have to "watch the tape" again but he seemed more poise, more calm, threw some touch passes, despite absolute chaos around him on every snap b/c Seattle could just pin their ears back once we lost Gore and Hyde and lost the idea of play action.

Don't give up on him! He's a good kid who's growing into a man and a new offensive system is going to revitalize him AND this entire regressed and uninspired offense. Trust me on that one.

The new HC/OC will also hand-pick his own QB as well, probbaly in the 2nd round and groom him for competition with CK and as a contigency plan, but CK will get first crack at it and it sounds like guys like Gruden and Holmgren are already salivating at the thought of coaching up CK and this offense. What an absolute ideal place to go "home" too! You are coming to a team that already has a top 3 defense with LOADS of depth, will now have a 12-15 pick in the draft (hello!), best GM in football, and really, the offense just needs to be retooled a bit and achieve "average" and we're instantly a 2-4 loss team. That's it. Average. Let me say it again...average in points is all we need to achieve. This is NOT a team that is rebuilding but just needs to be retooled. Nothing more.

We need a new run scheme. It's embarrassing every time we play Seattle and compare how much movement (especially laterally) their blockers get compared to ours, when we supposedly have the superior OL talent, specifically in run blocking. Not to mention how often our slow-developing plays get destroyed by backside defenders being unblocked by design.

Originally posted by znk916:
We need a new run scheme. It's embarrassing every time we play Seattle and compare how much movement (especially laterally) their blockers get compared to ours, when we supposedly have the superior OL talent, specifically in run blocking. Not to mention how often our slow-developing plays get destroyed by backside defenders being unblocked by design.

It is certainly a collective fail no doubt. And this is why HaRoman will be out and why this and other like-threads exist. Sadly.

QB-Gabbert can walk
TE-Vance and VD aren't doing anything
OT-Martin can walk
WRx2-speed and size
DE-more insurace for Justin
NT-just do it already
SS/FS-no more Dahl
CB-insurace
OLB-depends on brooks...when he's hot he's great
RB-depends on Hunter

I would retain Stevie, Cox, Cully, RayMac, Gore, Justin, Brooks, Skuta

Originally posted by jreff22:
QB-Gabbert can walk
TE-Vance and VD aren't doing anything
OT-Martin can walk
WRx2-speed and size
DE-more insurace for Justin
NT-just do it already
SS/FS-no more Dahl
CB-insurace
OLB-depends on brooks...when he's hot he's great
RB-depends on Hunter

I would retain Stevie, Cox, Cully, RayMac, Gore, Justin, Brooks, Skuta

Agree with most everything, but would want to see how the TEs do if healthy. If Justin retires a true beast NT might help replace his ability. Having two guys who can crush through a double team would be pretty exciting.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by jreff22:

QB-Gabbert can walk
TE-Vance and VD aren't doing anything
OT-Martin can walk
WRx2-speed and size
DE-more insurace for Justin
NT-just do it already
SS/FS-no more Dahl
CB-insurace
OLB-depends on brooks...when he's hot he's great
RB-depends on Hunter

I would retain Stevie, Cox, Cully, RayMac, Gore, Justin, Brooks, Skuta

Agree with most everything, but would want to see how the TEs do if healthy. If Justin retires a true beast NT might help replace his ability. Having two guys who can crush through a double team would be pretty exciting.

Unless we hear that VD had a broken back, ruptured kidney, Ebola, sprained toe, migraines, arthritis, bird flu, engorged labia, lazy eye, and amnesia he can be let go or signed for something around 3-4 mill.

I have no hope for Vance at this point either.

I think by far the most glaring need is a big fast receiver that can get open downfield, draw the safety, open up the offense, and be dangerous in the red zone. Eg. Dez, Calvin, Jordy, Lafell, Marshall, AJ Green. All the top offenses have a guy like this and when we had Moss it opened everything for Crabs underneath. He doesn't need to be as good as the guys listed, but the skill set needs to be similar.

Lots of other things we can address but this is by far the most glaring thing missing on our team IMO.

I think that we need to go to more athletic guards on the online that can pull and get out on screens and be good to above average pass blockers.

Te need a big target for Kap. A 6'6 kinda guy that can catch with hAND's and descent speed.

Wr- a sped guy that's at least 6'2.

Coaches a new ,te coach,and wr coach.I'm on the fence about Solari Rathman stays.

Originally posted by E-49er:
I think that we need to go to more athletic guards on the online that can pull and get out on screens and be good to above average pass blockers.

Te need a big target for Kap. A 6'6 kinda guy that can catch with hAND's and descent speed.

Wr- a sped guy that's at least 6'2.

Coaches a new ,te coach,and wr coach.I'm on the fence about Solari Rathman stays.

Agree, especially with the more athletic guards. I think the team is preparing for that. Iupati likely to walk, and Brandon Thomas waiting in the wings. Boone has picked up his play lately and he's pretty athletic for his size. I'd really like to see the team shift to a more zone-blocking run scheme. Always thought it was the more superior scheme to man-blocking for consistent gains.

We definitely need a big target that can high-point the ball and make contested catches down the field and in the redzone. Speed WR is a must as well.

I wouldn't mind the entire offensive coaching staff getting s**t canned, save Rathman.

With all these injuries piling up... Im wondering who the F is our STRENGTH & CONDITIONING coaches & why arent our players able to handle taking a hit WITHOUT getting some type of injury on damn near EVERY PLAY!!? Cause I friggin swear our team looks worn down & fragile as phuck!! NO WONDER our team look BROKEN like Steve Young said!!