GUESS THE 53!!

Sorry, goofed, never mind.

OK where are all the people that had Seneca Wallace on their 53??

Originally posted by Kolohe:
OK where are all the people that had Seneca Wallace on their 53??

Niners can play hardball. Did they bring in Seneca just to leverage McCoy into a reduced salary?

I hate the idea that they have anyone on the 90 man squad who doesn't really have a legit. chance to make the team......

Originally posted by OldJoe:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
OK where are all the people that had Seneca Wallace on their 53??

Niners can play hardball. Did they bring in Seneca just to leverage McCoy into a reduced salary?

I hate the idea that they have anyone on the 90 man squad who doesn't really have a legit. chance to make the team......

Yup that's all it was, its most likely the reason Wallace just walked out on the team. Good luck trying to get an NFL job now after that stunt.

Final:

Offense: (26)
QB (3): Colin Kaepernick, Colt McCoy and B.J. Daniels
RB (4): Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, Jewel Hampton and Anthony Dixon; LaMichael James & Marcus Lattimore (PUP) - Note: Jewel Hampton had another very good game yesterday despite playing behind a very poor OL. IMHO, he is a better runner than James at this point and if he goes to the PS again, I have a feeling he'll be snatched up quickly. Thanks to the MCL sprain to LMJ, he finally makes the 53. Patton/Hawkins can resume punt/kickoff returns.
FB (2): Bruce Miller, Owen Marecic - Note: It's very risky not to have a pure FB here. If Miller goes down, we're in big trouble. Dixon is not a good FB/blocker and often times misses pass blocking assignments. Jason Scheplar had a good camp so I hope he goes to the PS.
WR (6): X = Marlon Moore/Jon Baldwin --- Y = Kyle Williams/Lavelle Hawkins --- Z = Anquan Boldin/Quinton Patton; Mario Manningham & Michael Crabtree (PUP) - Note: It hurts to cut a guy like Hall (ran w/ the 1st string all off season) b/c he flat out deserved this spot but Lavelle is a better returner and is also a more experienced WR as well. So the slight edge goes to Hawkins. Chuck Jacobs has a great shot for the PS.
TE (3): Vernon Davis, Vance McDonald and Garrett Celek - Note: MarQueis Gray (H-back) will go to the PS for now. Could we go with 4 TE's and only 5 WR's given VD is going to be lined up "everywhere?"
OT (3): Joe Staley, Anthony Davis and Adam Snyder (Alex Boone); Luke Marquardt (PUP) - Note: Let's pray Marquardt is the real deal b/c right now, we have very poor T's behind the starters and one injury could very well mess with the OL's chemistry. Are we going after a veteran OT?
OG (3): Mike Iupati, Alex Boone and Joe Looney (Adam Snyder)
C (2): Jonathan Goodwin and Daniel Kilgore (Joe Looney) - Note: Jonathan Goodwin may end up being a late veteran cut or restructures his contract for a backup role if the coaches want Kilgore to start. Is he ready? And Looney is SO much better at C than G.

Defense: (25)
DE (3): Justin Smith, Ray McDonald and Demarcus Dobbs; Quinton Dial & Tank Carradine (PUP) - Note: I anticipate Lawrence Okoye going to the practice squad to develop. Also, both Tony Jerod-Eddie and Will Tukuafu both had a very solid preseason and are solid players; both are active but TJE is a poor pass rusher and WT has poor ball awareness at times and loses containment badly. One may be added Week 1 but gone once Dobbs returns. Dorsey can play DE as well.
NT (2): Ian Williams and Glenn Dorsey - Note: I anticipate Lamar Divens going to the practice squad to develop ala Ian Williams.
OLB (5): Aldon Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Corey Lemonier, Dan Skuta and Cameron Johnson
ILB (4): Patrick Willis, NaVorro Bowman, Michael Wilhoite and Nick Moody - Note: Nathan Stupar should have a great shot of making the PS.
CB (6): Tarell Brown, Carlos Rogers, Nnamdi Asomugha, Perrish Cox, Tramaine Brock and Marcus Cooper; Chris Culliver & Eric Wright (PUP) - Note: Darryl Morris is playing very well and has been playing fantastic in practice. Both Cooper and Morris could very well end up pushing Brock off the roster but it's a long shot right now esp. after his INT last night. But you can't teach what Cooper/Morris have and both are very good on ST.
S (5): Donte Whitner, Eric Reid, Craig Dahl, C.J. Spillman and Trenton Robinson - Note: Trenton Robinson had a decent camp but is esp. good on the ST coverage unit. I'd seriously consider replacing Robinson with Morris or Tony Jerod-Eddie/Will Tukuafu.

Special Teams: (3)
PK: Phil Dawson
P: Andy Lee
LS: Kevin McDermott - Note: I go back and forth with Brian Jennings/Kevin McDermott daily...even more so after last nights game b/c Harbaugh said McDermott was perfect save for the missed FG. Is he setting him up to be cut? The "safe" pick, clearly is Brian Jennings but the long-term better pick would be McDermott d/t salary, youth and ST coverage ability.

Note - Expect our PS to get raped!

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OldJoe:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
OK where are all the people that had Seneca Wallace on their 53??

Niners can play hardball. Did they bring in Seneca just to leverage McCoy into a reduced salary?

I hate the idea that they have anyone on the 90 man squad who doesn't really have a legit. chance to make the team......

Yup that's all it was, its most likely the reason Wallace just walked out on the team. Good luck trying to get an NFL job now after that stunt.

Im guessing there was a little more to it, basically if McCoy fell flat again they probably would of pursued the Wallace option and they wanted to do it quickly to keep another team from picking Wallace up. But McCoy played decent and had a whole offseason in the offense so they let Wallace know that he would not be in competition for the #2 spot and Wallace walked. Thats my best guess anyways.

If you remember, last year Josh Johnson outplayed Tolzien during the preseason games, particularly in the final game. But it was Johnson who was cut. Practices are at least as important to the evaluations. Cam Johnson and Hawkins were huge last night, but it may not be enough.

Also, the injuries to Snyder and LMJ will be reflected in the decision in the next 24 hours. For that matter, the roster is never final.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
If you remember, last year Josh Johnson outplayed Tolzien during the preseason games, particularly in the final game. But it was Johnson who was cut. Practices are at least as important to the evaluations. Cam Johnson and Hawkins were huge last night, but it may not be enough.

Also, the injuries to Snyder and LMJ will be reflected in the decision in the next 24 hours. For that matter, the roster is never final.

Excellent points.

The Snyder and LMJ injuries probably only affect the 46-man roster, but you never know.

Man, where are the 53's! Cuts are tomorrow...

Originally posted by NCommand:
Final:


RB (4): Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, Jewel Hampton and Anthony Dixon; LaMichael James & Marcus Lattimore (PUP) - Note: Jewel Hampton had another very good game yesterday despite playing behind a very poor OL. IMHO, he is a better runner than James at this point and if he goes to the PS again, I have a feeling he'll be snatched up quickly. Thanks to the MCL sprain to LMJ, he finally makes the 53. Patton/Hawkins can resume punt/kickoff returns.

What are you smoking? You dont PUP a player for an MCL sprain.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Final:


RB (4): Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, Jewel Hampton and Anthony Dixon; LaMichael James & Marcus Lattimore (PUP) - Note: Jewel Hampton had another very good game yesterday despite playing behind a very poor OL. IMHO, he is a better runner than James at this point and if he goes to the PS again, I have a feeling he'll be snatched up quickly. Thanks to the MCL sprain to LMJ, he finally makes the 53. Patton/Hawkins can resume punt/kickoff returns.

What are you smoking? You dont PUP a player for an MCL sprain.

He's out 3-4 weeks. If he goes on the PUP he has to sit out 6 weeks.

And I think you're significantly overestimating the demand for Jewel Hampton. Almost every team has a similar back that produces at a decent clip in the preseason. Guys like him are a dime a dozen.

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Final:


RB (4): Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, Jewel Hampton and Anthony Dixon; LaMichael James & Marcus Lattimore (PUP) - Note: Jewel Hampton had another very good game yesterday despite playing behind a very poor OL. IMHO, he is a better runner than James at this point and if he goes to the PS again, I have a feeling he'll be snatched up quickly. Thanks to the MCL sprain to LMJ, he finally makes the 53. Patton/Hawkins can resume punt/kickoff returns.

What are you smoking? You dont PUP a player for an MCL sprain.

He's out 3-4 weeks. If he goes on the PUP he has to sit out 6 weeks.

And I think you're significantly overestimating the demand for Jewel Hampton. Almost every team has a similar back that produces at a decent clip in the preseason. Guys like him are a dime a dozen.

There were some questions entering the 2013 season as to where James would fit in the offense with Hunter healthy again. James' injury leaves Hunter as the clear No. 2 runner in terms of carries.

The 49ers have not provided details regarding James' injury.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9616506/lamichael-james-san-francisco-49ers-miss-3-4-weeks

The point is "we" don't know if its a partial tear which would take about 6-8 weeks to recover from and even if it does take the 4 weeks, why rush him? Put him on PUP, heal up properly (like we don't already possess one of the most cautious medical staffs there is anyhow) and come back week 7. In the interim, we have an open roster spot for someone to show case their skills or we can use Hampton in the interim to spell Gore. Either way, why rush a guy back when we aren't even sure how we'll use him now that Hunter is back? Williams, Hawkins, Hall, Cox, Patton, etc. will return kicks (and most likely, do much better than him anyhow).

Originally posted by NCommand:
There were some questions entering the 2013 season as to where James would fit in the offense with Hunter healthy again. James' injury leaves Hunter as the clear No. 2 runner in terms of carries.

The 49ers have not provided details regarding James' injury.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9616506/lamichael-james-san-francisco-49ers-miss-3-4-weeks

The point is "we" don't know if its a partial tear which would take about 6-8 weeks to recover from and even if it does take the 4 weeks, why rush him? Put him on PUP, heal up properly (like we don't already possess one of the most cautious medical staffs there is anyhow) and come back week 7. In the interim, we have an open roster spot for someone to show case their skills or we can use Hampton in the interim to spell Gore. Either way, why rush a guy back when we aren't even sure how we'll use him now that Hunter is back? Williams, Hawkins, Hall, Cox, Patton, etc. will return kicks (and most likely, do much better than him anyhow).

Fair enough on the possibility of an extended absence--you never know--but it's not gonna happen with Hampton, dude. Use him to spell Gore? Why? We have Hunter. Even Dixon is ahead of Hampton.

Like I said, if you watch other preseason games you will see that the league is full of Jewel Hamptons--guys who look passable in preseason but aren't likely to ever get a carry in the regular season. Do you remember Kory Sheets? Thomas Clayton?

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
Fair enough on the possibility of an extended absence--you never know--but it's not gonna happen with Hampton, dude. Use him to spell Gore? Why? We have Hunter. Even Dixon is ahead of Hampton.

Like I said, if you watch other preseason games you will see that the league is full of Jewel Hamptons--guys who look passable in preseason but aren't likely to ever get a carry in the regular season. Do you remember Kory Sheets? Thomas Clayton?

LMAO! Touche. Although I hear Sheets is tearing up...in the Canadian League? Anyway, it's probably true...although the coaches do seem to do their best for those players who have put in their time, worked hard and earned it. And he has and is nice insurance in case we need a grinder. That said, Hunter, obviously is the man, but will hit many more off tackle runs and some inside hitters. Hampton (if he made it) and Dixon? Maybe a couple carries here and there. Hampton could be used on ST as well. Personally, I'd opt for an open roster spot and consider a LT on the waiver wire (veteran cut).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Final:


RB (4): Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, Jewel Hampton and Anthony Dixon; LaMichael James & Marcus Lattimore (PUP) - Note: Jewel Hampton had another very good game yesterday despite playing behind a very poor OL. IMHO, he is a better runner than James at this point and if he goes to the PS again, I have a feeling he'll be snatched up quickly. Thanks to the MCL sprain to LMJ, he finally makes the 53. Patton/Hawkins can resume punt/kickoff returns.

What are you smoking? You dont PUP a player for an MCL sprain.

He's out 3-4 weeks. If he goes on the PUP he has to sit out 6 weeks.

And I think you're significantly overestimating the demand for Jewel Hampton. Almost every team has a similar back that produces at a decent clip in the preseason. Guys like him are a dime a dozen.

There were some questions entering the 2013 season as to where James would fit in the offense with Hunter healthy again. James' injury leaves Hunter as the clear No. 2 runner in terms of carries.

The 49ers have not provided details regarding James' injury.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9616506/lamichael-james-san-francisco-49ers-miss-3-4-weeks

The point is "we" don't know if its a partial tear which would take about 6-8 weeks to recover from and even if it does take the 4 weeks, why rush him? Put him on PUP, heal up properly (like we don't already possess one of the most cautious medical staffs there is anyhow) and come back week 7. In the interim, we have an open roster spot for someone to show case their skills or we can use Hampton in the interim to spell Gore. Either way, why rush a guy back when we aren't even sure how we'll use him now that Hunter is back? Williams, Hawkins, Hall, Cox, Patton, etc. will return kicks (and most likely, do much better than him anyhow).

Good post, NCommand... I made the same point in another thread just now. Not only does it give LMJ a chance to heal up completely, it gives Hawkins and/or Hampton a chance to show the coaching staff what they can contribute. This could actually be a win/win in the long term.