Karma's 53 Man Roster (Pre-Season Game 1)

Looks good to me

A few things I would change:

I think Person makes the team over Hall.

Bakhtiari is no longer eligible for the practice squad, so if we like him we got to stick him on the 53-man. If he continues to impress, I think he makes it as the 4th OLB, most likely at the expense of Ian Williams IMO. I believe Williams still has PS eligiblity, could be wrong though.

PS looks good, but I think Holcomb's tenure here is done. He got cut so early that he probably doesn't figure into the teams plans.

Nice job! That's pretty much exactly how I see it.

Only things I could see doing differently are:

Keeping Cam Johnson or Eric Bakhtiari over Ian Williams. If Aldon isn't ready for the start of the season I think they might want another OLB.

Keeping Nathan Palmer on the practice squad. Seems like they usually keep 2 WRs on the PS and Palmer looked pretty decent to me.


Thanks for doing all the work for me. You pretty much wrote down exactly the roster I had in mind.

Bakhtiari is not eligible for PS

I think Nelms was ahead of Jones on the depth chart. I remember reading that they were high on him last year

Tedd Ginn stayed with us?????

Oh yeah!!!

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Looks good to me

A few things I would change:

I think Person makes the team over Hall.

Bakhtiari is no longer eligible for the practice squad, so if we like him we got to stick him on the 53-man. If he continues to impress, I think he makes it as the 4th OLB, most likely at the expense of Ian Williams IMO. I believe Williams still has PS eligiblity, could be wrong though.

PS looks good, but I think Holcomb's tenure here is done. He got cut so early that he probably doesn't figure into the teams plans.

You might be right about all of that. Person has played Left Tackle while Hall has only played on the right side. I guess I was just speculating. They liked Ian Williams but RJF proved he can play NT in a pinch so they might take a chance that Williams lands on the PS. Especially with the minor injury to Aldon Smith, Bakhtiari might end up sticking.

I also threw Holcomb on there as a possibility, but Nelms has been a favorite of the coaches. He certainly has the speed and may even be able to play Safety. I guess we will see!

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Nice job! That's pretty much exactly how I see it.

Only things I could see doing differently are:

Keeping Cam Johnson or Eric Bakhtiari over Ian Williams. If Aldon isn't ready for the start of the season I think they might want another OLB.

Keeping Nathan Palmer on the practice squad. Seems like they usually keep 2 WRs on the PS and Palmer looked pretty decent to me.


Thanks for doing all the work for me. You pretty much wrote down exactly the roster I had in mind.

I appreciate the praise! I agree with you on Palmer. He and Owusu both looked good in the first game. Owusu has the size and agility they look for and Palmer showed good route running ability and nice hands. They both have tremendous upside. I don't see Moss or Ginn on the team next year and Crabtree and Williams both have something to prove. The WRs could look very different next year and it would be nice to have a few young guys to learn throughout this year. Say what you will about Moss's antics, he still is a great guy to learn from in your first year. On that same note, Jenkins looks like he could be pretty good soon. He had a few drops, but his hands have been good throughout his college career so that could just be first game jitters. What impressed me was his sharp breaks on routes and his body control. He reminds me of Donald Driver, if he added about 8-10 pounds of muscle.

Overall, I am much more impressed with this group of young receivers than last year. Even Tyms has an NFL body and could turn into a good one with enough experience!

You should watch Joe Sawyer,the new tight end. He is very fast and pretty impressive. I would keep this guy somehow.

There are going to be some tight decisions and I believe some changes. I think Colin Jones and Spillman both get cut and Trenton Robinson and Michael Thomas make it due to being players vs special teamers. I think Owusu and Slowey and Netter are making the team. I think Cartwright is not that exclusive and can be replaced by Robinson, Thomas and or Owusu. I also feel someone like Cam Johnson or Kourtnei brown make it. I also think Tavares Gooden goes before Ian Williams.

Originally posted by prometheus:
There are going to be some tight decisions and I believe some changes. I think Colin Jones and Spillman both get cut and Trenton Robinson and Michael Thomas make it due to being players vs special teamers. I think Owusu and Slowey and Netter are making the team. I think Cartwright is not that exclusive and can be replaced by Robinson, Thomas and or Owusu. I also feel someone like Cam Johnson or Kourtnei brown make it. I also think Tavares Gooden goes before Ian Williams.

1.) Spillman isn't going anywhere. He is the third Safety and has shown tons of improvement. There is no way he gets cut for an undrafted rookie in Michael Thomas. We also know the importance of a good special teams unit so Colin Jones seems to be more important to the team. Granted, he is one dimensional, but we saw how good he can be throughout the season.

2.) Slowey has a pretty good shot, but Netter is a reach. He has great potential, but he would need to beat out Leonard Davis, Daniel Kilgore, Joe Looney, and Jason Slowey to have a shot to backup on the interior. He could be a candidate for the PS, but he is a long shot for the roster.

3.) Owusu looked good in the game, but there is a logjam ahead of him. Crabtree, Moss, Manningham, Ginn, and Jenkins are locks. Williams is unpopular but he is miles ahead of Owusu right now just because of experience. Owusu has potential, but the best place for him is the PS where he can prove he can stay healthy and gain experience.

4.) Cartwright has ten years experience as an NFL special teams ace and you think he can be replaced by a rookie? Possible, but not probable. Cartwright also showed he can run the ball in a pinch. He feels like a lock to me to provide leadership and versatility.

5.) I am leaning more and more toward needed a 4th OLB, but Gooden shouldn't go anywhere. Larry Grant will most likely leave after this year and Gooden is a really nice backup. He has tremendous speed and is another special teams ace. Why get rid of him instead of a third string NT that didn't see the field and wouldn't even contribute on special teams? Not that Ian Williams won't develop into a nice player, but Gooden offers much more in the coming year.

You are putting too much faith in rookies to take over a special teams unit that won us more than a few games last year. I just don't see the coaches brushing away all that experience and output for unknowns...

Originally posted by Karma:

Originally posted by prometheus:
There are going to be some tight decisions and I believe some changes. I think Colin Jones and Spillman both get cut and Trenton Robinson and Michael Thomas make it due to being players vs special teamers. I think Owusu and Slowey and Netter are making the team. I think Cartwright is not that exclusive and can be replaced by Robinson, Thomas and or Owusu. I also feel someone like Cam Johnson or Kourtnei brown make it. I also think Tavares Gooden goes before Ian Williams.

1.) Spillman isn't going anywhere. He is the third Safety and has shown tons of improvement. There is no way he gets cut for an undrafted rookie in Michael Thomas. We also know the importance of a good special teams unit so Colin Jones seems to be more important to the team. Granted, he is one dimensional, but we saw how good he can be throughout the season.

2.) Slowey has a pretty good shot, but Netter is a reach. He has great potential, but he would need to beat out Leonard Davis, Daniel Kilgore, Joe Looney, and Jason Slowey to have a shot to backup on the interior. He could be a candidate for the PS, but he is a long shot for the roster.

3.) Owusu looked good in the game, but there is a logjam ahead of him. Crabtree, Moss, Manningham, Ginn, and Jenkins are locks. Williams is unpopular but he is miles ahead of Owusu right now just because of experience. Owusu has potential, but the best place for him is the PS where he can prove he can stay healthy and gain experience.

4.) Cartwright has ten years experience as an NFL special teams ace and you think he can be replaced by a rookie? Possible, but not probable. Cartwright also showed he can run the ball in a pinch. He feels like a lock to me to provide leadership and versatility.

5.) I am leaning more and more toward needed a 4th OLB, but Gooden shouldn't go anywhere. Larry Grant will most likely leave after this year and Gooden is a really nice backup. He has tremendous speed and is another special teams ace. Why get rid of him instead of a third string NT that didn't see the field and wouldn't even contribute on special teams? Not that Ian Williams won't develop into a nice player, but Gooden offers much more in the coming year.

You are putting too much faith in rookies to take over a special teams unit that won us more than a few games last year. I just don't see the coaches brushing away all that experience and output for unknowns...

1st off, roster looks good Karma, and 2nd I agree on Spillman, plus he was extended in offseason. He isn't going anywhere. Those who think rooks can replace provens like Cartwright, Gooden, Jones and Spillman are crazy.

Originally posted by prometheus:
There are going to be some tight decisions and I believe some changes. I think Colin Jones and Spillman both get cut and Trenton Robinson and Michael Thomas make it due to being players vs special teamers. I think Owusu and Slowey and Netter are making the team. I think Cartwright is not that exclusive and can be replaced by Robinson, Thomas and or Owusu. I also feel someone like Cam Johnson or Kourtnei brown make it. I also think Tavares Gooden goes before Ian Williams.

i really like Spillman. i think he can replace Goldson if it comes down to us not keeping him.

All i really know is this is a great problem to have. its been a while since we've had a roster with this much talent. would really like us to have 4 OLBs, esp after that scare with Aldon. I'm not sold on Bahktari, and i also am torn on who would get cut if he makes the 53...glad i dont make those decisions.

Originally posted by AB83Rules:

Originally posted by Karma:

Originally posted by prometheus:

There are going to be some tight decisions and I believe some changes. I think Colin Jones and Spillman both get cut and Trenton Robinson and Michael Thomas make it due to being players vs special teamers. I think Owusu and Slowey and Netter are making the team. I think Cartwright is not that exclusive and can be replaced by Robinson, Thomas and or Owusu. I also feel someone like Cam Johnson or Kourtnei brown make it. I also think Tavares Gooden goes before Ian Williams.

1.) Spillman isn't going anywhere. He is the third Safety and has shown tons of improvement. There is no way he gets cut for an undrafted rookie in Michael Thomas. We also know the importance of a good special teams unit so Colin Jones seems to be more important to the team. Granted, he is one dimensional, but we saw how good he can be throughout the season.

2.) Slowey has a pretty good shot, but Netter is a reach. He has great potential, but he would need to beat out Leonard Davis, Daniel Kilgore, Joe Looney, and Jason Slowey to have a shot to backup on the interior. He could be a candidate for the PS, but he is a long shot for the roster.

3.) Owusu looked good in the game, but there is a logjam ahead of him. Crabtree, Moss, Manningham, Ginn, and Jenkins are locks. Williams is unpopular but he is miles ahead of Owusu right now just because of experience. Owusu has potential, but the best place for him is the PS where he can prove he can stay healthy and gain experience.

4.) Cartwright has ten years experience as an NFL special teams ace and you think he can be replaced by a rookie? Possible, but not probable. Cartwright also showed he can run the ball in a pinch. He feels like a lock to me to provide leadership and versatility.

5.) I am leaning more and more toward needed a 4th OLB, but Gooden shouldn't go anywhere. Larry Grant will most likely leave after this year and Gooden is a really nice backup. He has tremendous speed and is another special teams ace. Why get rid of him instead of a third string NT that didn't see the field and wouldn't even contribute on special teams? Not that Ian Williams won't develop into a nice player, but Gooden offers much more in the coming year.

You are putting too much faith in rookies to take over a special teams unit that won us more than a few games last year. I just don't see the coaches brushing away all that experience and output for unknowns...

1st off, roster looks good Karma, and 2nd I agree on Spillman, plus he was extended in offseason. He isn't going anywhere. Those who think rooks can replace provens like Cartwright, Gooden, Jones and Spillman are crazy.

Originally posted by AB83Rules:

Originally posted by Karma:

Originally posted by prometheus:

There are going to be some tight decisions and I believe some changes. I think Colin Jones and Spillman both get cut and Trenton Robinson and Michael Thomas make it due to being players vs special teamers. I think Owusu and Slowey and Netter are making the team. I think Cartwright is not that exclusive and can be replaced by Robinson, Thomas and or Owusu. I also feel someone like Cam Johnson or Kourtnei brown make it. I also think Tavares Gooden goes before Ian Williams.

1.) Spillman isn't going anywhere. He is the third Safety and has shown tons of improvement. There is no way he gets cut for an undrafted rookie in Michael Thomas. We also know the importance of a good special teams unit so Colin Jones seems to be more important to the team. Granted, he is one dimensional, but we saw how good he can be throughout the season.

2.) Slowey has a pretty good shot, but Netter is a reach. He has great potential, but he would need to beat out Leonard Davis, Daniel Kilgore, Joe Looney, and Jason Slowey to have a shot to backup on the interior. He could be a candidate for the PS, but he is a long shot for the roster.

3.) Owusu looked good in the game, but there is a logjam ahead of him. Crabtree, Moss, Manningham, Ginn, and Jenkins are locks. Williams is unpopular but he is miles ahead of Owusu right now just because of experience. Owusu has potential, but the best place for him is the PS where he can prove he can stay healthy and gain experience.

4.) Cartwright has ten years experience as an NFL special teams ace and you think he can be replaced by a rookie? Possible, but not probable. Cartwright also showed he can run the ball in a pinch. He feels like a lock to me to provide leadership and versatility.

5.) I am leaning more and more toward needed a 4th OLB, but Gooden shouldn't go anywhere. Larry Grant will most likely leave after this year and Gooden is a really nice backup. He has tremendous speed and is another special teams ace. Why get rid of him instead of a third string NT that didn't see the field and wouldn't even contribute on special teams? Not that Ian Williams won't develop into a nice player, but Gooden offers much more in the coming year.

You are putting too much faith in rookies to take over a special teams unit that won us more than a few games last year. I just don't see the coaches brushing away all that experience and output for unknowns...

1st off, roster looks good Karma, and 2nd I agree on Spillman, plus he was extended in offseason. He isn't going anywhere. Those who think rooks can replace provens like Cartwright, Gooden, Jones and Spillman are crazy.

Thank you for the compliment! I always look to you for knowledge of the salary cap and how contracts are produced. I noticed that you have the team cutting Hatalson because of salary cap issues; mainly saving money for emergencies. I disagree with you because I feel that he has too much value as a backup. Are there any other options?

Originally posted by AB83Rules:

Originally posted by Karma:

Originally posted by prometheus:

There are going to be some tight decisions and I believe some changes. I think Colin Jones and Spillman both get cut and Trenton Robinson and Michael Thomas make it due to being players vs special teamers. I think Owusu and Slowey and Netter are making the team. I think Cartwright is not that exclusive and can be replaced by Robinson, Thomas and or Owusu. I also feel someone like Cam Johnson or Kourtnei brown make it. I also think Tavares Gooden goes before Ian Williams.

1.) Spillman isn't going anywhere. He is the third Safety and has shown tons of improvement. There is no way he gets cut for an undrafted rookie in Michael Thomas. We also know the importance of a good special teams unit so Colin Jones seems to be more important to the team. Granted, he is one dimensional, but we saw how good he can be throughout the season.

2.) Slowey has a pretty good shot, but Netter is a reach. He has great potential, but he would need to beat out Leonard Davis, Daniel Kilgore, Joe Looney, and Jason Slowey to have a shot to backup on the interior. He could be a candidate for the PS, but he is a long shot for the roster.

3.) Owusu looked good in the game, but there is a logjam ahead of him. Crabtree, Moss, Manningham, Ginn, and Jenkins are locks. Williams is unpopular but he is miles ahead of Owusu right now just because of experience. Owusu has potential, but the best place for him is the PS where he can prove he can stay healthy and gain experience.

4.) Cartwright has ten years experience as an NFL special teams ace and you think he can be replaced by a rookie? Possible, but not probable. Cartwright also showed he can run the ball in a pinch. He feels like a lock to me to provide leadership and versatility.

5.) I am leaning more and more toward needed a 4th OLB, but Gooden shouldn't go anywhere. Larry Grant will most likely leave after this year and Gooden is a really nice backup. He has tremendous speed and is another special teams ace. Why get rid of him instead of a third string NT that didn't see the field and wouldn't even contribute on special teams? Not that Ian Williams won't develop into a nice player, but Gooden offers much more in the coming year.

You are putting too much faith in rookies to take over a special teams unit that won us more than a few games last year. I just don't see the coaches brushing away all that experience and output for unknowns...

1st off, roster looks good Karma, and 2nd I agree on Spillman, plus he was extended in offseason. He isn't going anywhere. Those who think rooks can replace provens like Cartwright, Gooden, Jones and Spillman are crazy.

Originally posted by AB83Rules:

Originally posted by Karma:

Originally posted by prometheus:

There are going to be some tight decisions and I believe some changes. I think Colin Jones and Spillman both get cut and Trenton Robinson and Michael Thomas make it due to being players vs special teamers. I think Owusu and Slowey and Netter are making the team. I think Cartwright is not that exclusive and can be replaced by Robinson, Thomas and or Owusu. I also feel someone like Cam Johnson or Kourtnei brown make it. I also think Tavares Gooden goes before Ian Williams.

1.) Spillman isn't going anywhere. He is the third Safety and has shown tons of improvement. There is no way he gets cut for an undrafted rookie in Michael Thomas. We also know the importance of a good special teams unit so Colin Jones seems to be more important to the team. Granted, he is one dimensional, but we saw how good he can be throughout the season.

2.) Slowey has a pretty good shot, but Netter is a reach. He has great potential, but he would need to beat out Leonard Davis, Daniel Kilgore, Joe Looney, and Jason Slowey to have a shot to backup on the interior. He could be a candidate for the PS, but he is a long shot for the roster.

3.) Owusu looked good in the game, but there is a logjam ahead of him. Crabtree, Moss, Manningham, Ginn, and Jenkins are locks. Williams is unpopular but he is miles ahead of Owusu right now just because of experience. Owusu has potential, but the best place for him is the PS where he can prove he can stay healthy and gain experience.

4.) Cartwright has ten years experience as an NFL special teams ace and you think he can be replaced by a rookie? Possible, but not probable. Cartwright also showed he can run the ball in a pinch. He feels like a lock to me to provide leadership and versatility.

5.) I am leaning more and more toward needed a 4th OLB, but Gooden shouldn't go anywhere. Larry Grant will most likely leave after this year and Gooden is a really nice backup. He has tremendous speed and is another special teams ace. Why get rid of him instead of a third string NT that didn't see the field and wouldn't even contribute on special teams? Not that Ian Williams won't develop into a nice player, but Gooden offers much more in the coming year.

You are putting too much faith in rookies to take over a special teams unit that won us more than a few games last year. I just don't see the coaches brushing away all that experience and output for unknowns...

1st off, roster looks good Karma, and 2nd I agree on Spillman, plus he was extended in offseason. He isn't going anywhere. Those who think rooks can replace provens like Cartwright, Gooden, Jones and Spillman are crazy.

Thank you for the compliment! I always look to you for knowledge of the salary cap and how contracts are produced. I noticed that you have the team cutting Hatalson because of salary cap issues; mainly saving money for emergencies. I disagree with you because I feel that he has too much value as a backup. Are there any other options?