Why are we not using Vernon Davis? | Page 14

Nov 7, 2011 at 3:34 PM

dtg_9er
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Originally posted by ttime:
I don't think that Brent Jones would have even been in position to attempt to make that catch. Two totally different types of players.

That's my point really. Smith needs a go-to guy who is always in the clear and never drops the ball. VD is like a Maserati of TE! Gives you more zoom than many cars but if you just want to get to the store you take your Honda. Not saying we don't need VD, just saying we need a complement for first down markers.

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Nov 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM

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49ersOnMINE
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As long as the team wins i don't care who has a big game, whether its VD, Crabs, Braylon, Gore, its a team game. If we win im satisfied, blowout or close games. nuff said

Nov 7, 2011 at 3:41 PM

#198

Mr.Mcgibblets
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Cool... and I so agree with the bolded.

Okay, it's 11:41 in the 3rd. No question, VD has to make that grab. He puts up both arms and the ball clanks off VD's right forearm. The DB was trailing right on his back, but DB's hands were not in VD's face obstructing as the ball arrives.

Thanks oldman, I may have been overly willing to excuse him because I really don't expect him to make that kind of catch. As good as he is, he is not a natural receiver. I'm referring to the Brent Jones type of guy who, when he drops a pass, you go back to the books to see what year was his last drop. But he is a very tireless worker and will no doubt get better even with the difficult catches.

He has been blocking so much that he may be out of sorts with catching. Just a thought.

A shame, really. The way I read it over the years, VD works extra hard on the jugs machines to try and catch better. Like you correctly stated though... just doesn't have natural hands. People also overrate his blocking at times too... doesn't suck, but has a few costly block fails per game.

I'm happier having VD on the team than to not, though. Just wish he could be... even better.

Nov 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM

#199

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Funny thing that the best offensive minds we have had lately (JH & Mike Martz) prefer to use VD more as a blocker and decoy then as an actual pass catcher.

Nov 7, 2011 at 5:08 PM

#200

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Originally posted by susweel:
Funny thing that the best offensive minds we have had lately (JH & Mike Martz) prefer to use VD more as a blocker and decoy then as an actual pass catcher.

Because he is getting the double team and Braylon has been injured for weeks and weeks and can't seem to stay healthy. And we lost Morgan. It would help if Braylon can stay healthy. If he can I expect we will see more of VD.

Dec 4, 2011 at 3:24 PM

#201

dtmoney49er
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He also gonna stop dropping passes if he wants more to come his way.

Dec 4, 2011 at 3:26 PM

#202

OregonDuckNiner
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Originally posted by dtmoney49er:
He also gonna stop dropping passes if he wants more to come his way.

werd. That drop was inexcusable.

Dec 4, 2011 at 3:28 PM

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AXEGRINDER
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because he can't catch a cold

Dec 4, 2011 at 3:36 PM

#204

jimmy49erfan
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Crabtree

Dec 4, 2011 at 3:48 PM

#205

jta854
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He is being used as a decoy.

Dec 4, 2011 at 4:26 PM

#206

Nuns
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He can't catch

Dec 4, 2011 at 4:30 PM

#207

Karma
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Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:

Originally posted by dtmoney49er:
He also gonna stop dropping passes if he wants more to come his way.

werd. That drop was inexcusable.

That was a terrible drop, but did you see the stat they posted just before that? VD leads all TEs in catch % per target. We might be a bit harsh on him. Again, that drop was terrible, but he does make more great catches than he drops.

Dec 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM

#208

tjd808185
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Originally posted by Karma:
That was a terrible drop, but did you see the stat they posted just before that? VD leads all TEs in catch % per target. We might be a bit harsh on him. Again, that drop was terrible, but he does make more great catches than he drops.

People here can be too over criticial, because there's such strong feelings about trying defend or disprove "x" player. Any time there's a slightly catchable ball that gets dropped it's Aaron Rodger's receivers can make that play every time why can't ours? They don't make that play every time either.

That deep bomb is play Vernon has to make every time though.

Dec 4, 2011 at 5:17 PM

#209

Paul_Hofer
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Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Cool... and I so agree with the bolded.

Okay, it's 11:41 in the 3rd. No question, VD has to make that grab. He puts up both arms and the ball clanks off VD's right forearm. The DB was trailing right on his back, but DB's hands were not in VD's face obstructing as the ball arrives.

Thanks oldman, I may have been overly willing to excuse him because I really don't expect him to make that kind of catch. As good as he is, he is not a natural receiver. I'm referring to the Brent Jones type of guy who, when he drops a pass, you go back to the books to see what year was his last drop. But he is a very tireless worker and will no doubt get better even with the difficult catches.

He has been blocking so much that he may be out of sorts with catching. Just a thought.

A shame, really. The way I read it over the years, VD works extra hard on the jugs machines to try and catch better. Like you correctly stated though... just doesn't have natural hands. People also overrate his blocking at times too... doesn't suck, but has a few costly block fails per game.

I'm happier having VD on the team than to not, though. Just wish he could be... even better.

Now he needs to practice on over-the-shoulder catches.

Dec 6, 2011 at 11:04 PM

#210

LaMattsBlue
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Vernon needs to get back to doing what he did early. I find he tries to break down defenders too much instead of just putting his foot in the ground and going. In fact I find a lot of our receivers do that.