Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Antix:
its obvious that the plan is to rebuild. The last time we lost this many players was in 03. To me it jut sounds like Baalke and Harbaugh knew that the fans didn't want to hear the word rebuild but now its obvious. Might as well forget this year and hope for next year cuz its a wash now.
The thing is, Franklin & Lawson signed one year deals, and Lawson's salary is only $3M. (dunno about Franklin yet) Spikes signed a 3 year deal, but it was only $3M in guaranteed money, so it wasn't prohibitive in any sense.
Now we have starting positions being handed to guys by default instead of them legitimately earning it at ILB (McKillop or Bowman), CB (Brown?
), & likely FS if Goldson departs. (Smith). Lack of competition is not a healthy framework for younger players.
I keep hearing that we're trying to rebuild, but what exactly is so prohibitive about keeping Lawson, Franklin, & Spikes around while doing that? How would re-signing any of them prevent us from doing that? It's not like they signed cap hindering contracts the way Baas did.
Truth is, this is yet another example of a new regime coming in and wanting "their guys" on the team because they're egotistically married to schemes ahead of talent. People talk about Vic Fangio's "attacking defense", as though that's somehow different than most teams in the league, and ignore the fact that he has a fairly pedestrian track record in the NFL. He's not going to schematically beat the hell out of OC's in this league. We need freakin' talent, for chrissakes.
That last paragraph wasn't directed at you, per se, just a general observation. I've been here a long time and I'm NOT a pessimistic person. But we're seeing a marginally stocked cupboard being stripped relatively bare, and it's not because guys are signing huge contracts elsewhere.
That pisses me the hell off.
Because you can't resign players than have been with you for years to one-year contracts. It's an insult to the player.
Spikes didn't want to stick around cause he wants playoffs. Manny & Franklin are getting "prove it" deals from other teams. The 49ers can't offer "prove it" deals to players that have been with the organization for years. It doesn't work that way.
I disagree that you can't offer 1 year deals to incumbent players. These are guys that play an extremely violent sport under non-guaranteed contracts for a limited amount of time. They need to capitalize their talents during the finite window that they have. They gotta get paid.
There may be the occasional guy that takes less money to go to the right situation, but I believe that the vast majority of the time the highest bidder wins out. Being that we're $30M under the cap, there's no reason for guys like Lawson & Franklin to be walking away from us. I'll give you Spikes, but even there we're projecting his desires, and assuming that $5M in guaranteed money instead of $3M doesn't get him to stay.
...maybe guys like Franklin, Laboy, Baas, & Spikes want to win?
Lawson... I think the front office was over him. Aldon is the future. So you kind of have an argument there.
But otherwise, I stick to my original statement.
Everyone wants to win, but putting that well ahead of finances is something that fans do when discussing someone else's money. These guys don't have long to make their coin and need to make it when they can.
Franklin? This is a guy who's NEVER gotten a big deal in the NFL. He held out last year with the hope of signing an extension with us. His agent was negotiation with us this year. He wanted to win? No, just like most of the NFL, he wanted to get paid.
Baas signed a contract to become one of the highest paid centers in the league. And I'm fine with us letting him go for that reason.
Laboy? Another guy who's never gotten a big deal. He's going to be out of the league in the next couple of years and it's unlikely that he'll get the chance to make this kind of money in another profession. He's going to whomever pays him.
Lawson left us to go to the Bengals, of all Godforsaken franchises, certainly not to win.
As much as fans want to ignore it, this is these guys'
jobs. Sure they want to win, just like every Joe Sixpack wants to work for a successful company, but at the end of the day Joe is going to follow the money, and these guys are no different. And heck...Joe has a lot longer window to make that money, but is still likely to take the job that's offering an extra $20K a year. And you think these guys are routinely passing up jobs that are offering hundreds of thousands to millions more?
Maybe one guy, but not all of 'em.